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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Dec 30, 2009 21:51:43 GMT 1
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Post by downatthepharm on Dec 30, 2009 21:59:10 GMT 1
No chance
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Post by 190119 on Dec 30, 2009 22:12:32 GMT 1
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Dec 30, 2009 22:12:45 GMT 1
something very strange is going on at that club. it also only a matter of time before it happens to a big club! |
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Post by johnw on Dec 30, 2009 22:14:22 GMT 1
Not so sure, ther ground is a tip, they have'nt paid their players twice this year, thinks are far from in great shape in Pompey.  |
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Post by downatthepharm on Dec 30, 2009 22:15:44 GMT 1
A premiership club won't just go bust. Someone will always bail them out.
They will get relegated, flog their better players, get relegated again and then probably go bust
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Post by far on Dec 30, 2009 22:16:20 GMT 1
some nice chants of 'sack the board' and 'your not fit to run our club' just gone up  |
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Post by downatthepharm on Dec 30, 2009 22:18:49 GMT 1
Sexy goal from Ramsey there He's no Michael Collins though  |
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Dec 30, 2009 22:19:20 GMT 1
A premiership club won't just go bust. Someone will always bail them out. They will get relegated, flog their better players, get relegated again and then probably go bust depends on the state of that club. liverpool who are also in a mess won't but could easily do a l**ds pompey though are a right mess from what i can tell, can someone just come in and stop the rot? would Johny Foreigner be interested in taking over? |
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Post by downatthepharm on Dec 30, 2009 22:21:42 GMT 1
Go go Pompey
Come backs on
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Post by Art Vandelay on Dec 30, 2009 22:28:06 GMT 1
There is no way Liverpool will do 'a Leeds'.
Liverpool are a much, much bigger club than Leeds. There will be always some rich guy who will buy them before they go bust. I suspect someone is just waiting for them to get further into trouble so they can get them for a 'knock down' price.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Dec 30, 2009 22:32:57 GMT 1
There is no way Liverpool will do 'a Leeds'. Liverpool are a much, much bigger club than Leeds. There will be always some rich guy who will buy them before they go bust. I suspect someone is just waiting for them to get further into trouble so they can get them for a 'knock down' price. the entire club is bought on debt it could very easily happen, it depends how the owners try to dig their way out of it. no champions league football next year for them then lets see what the owners start to do then! football cant carry on been run on the levels of debt it currently has! |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Dec 30, 2009 22:40:19 GMT 1
the entire club is bought on debt it could very easily happen, it depends how the owners try to dig their way out of it. no champions league football next year for them then lets see what the owners start to do then! football cant carry on been run on the levels of debt it currently has! The owners will sell up if Liverpool fail to get in the Champions league. I think there is already talk of one of them looking to sell his share. You don't think that if Liverpool were for sale there wouldn't be a queue of Russian/Middle Eastern billionaires waiting to buy them? |
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Dec 30, 2009 22:46:47 GMT 1
the entire club is bought on debt it could very easily happen, it depends how the owners try to dig their way out of it. no champions league football next year for them then lets see what the owners start to do then! football cant carry on been run on the levels of debt it currently has! The owners will sell up if Liverpool fail to get in the Champions league. I think there is already talk of one of them looking to sell his share. You don't think that if Liverpool were for sale there wouldn't be a queue of Russian/Middle Eastern billionaires waiting to buy them? the saudis already want them dont they? but what happens if the yanks wont sell and think they can dig their way out? i think both are keen to stay now arnt they? my understanding was they had sorted there differences. theyve lumbered themselves with alot of debt its not a forgone conclusion that some russian or middle eastern millionaire would want them, they cant afford to sack there manager it is claimed! theyd never go bust but could easily have to start selling players then what happens? also look at pompey isnt that a rich russian there? the money wont last and the debt cant! its only a matter of time before there is heavy casualties in football. |
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Post by Art Vandelay on Dec 30, 2009 22:56:00 GMT 1
the saudis already want them dont they? but what happens if the yanks wont sell and think they can dig their way out? i think both are keen to stay now arnt they? my understanding was they had sorted there differences. theyve lumbered themselves with alot of debt its not a forgone conclusion that some russian or middle eastern millionaire would want them, they cant afford to sack there manager it is claimed! theyd never go bust but could easily have to start selling players then what happens? also look at pompey isnt that a rich russian there? the money wont last and the debt cant! its only a matter of time before there is heavy casualties in football. If the Yanks get offered enough money they will sell. They keep selling all their American sports teams, which suggests that they aren't that keen on 'digging in'. I think the issue with Portsmouth is that the fact that the Russian there isn't rich at all. Listen I don't disagree with you that the money wont last and that half the clubs in the Premier league are on cusp of financial disaster if they drop out of the top league. What I don't agree with is the comparison to Leeds. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2009 23:07:01 GMT 1
Reports today that the LFC owners will secure finances in Q1 of 2010 and new ground construction to commence Spring.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Dec 30, 2009 23:27:08 GMT 1
the saudis already want them dont they? but what happens if the yanks wont sell and think they can dig their way out? i think both are keen to stay now arnt they? my understanding was they had sorted there differences. theyve lumbered themselves with alot of debt its not a forgone conclusion that some russian or middle eastern millionaire would want them, they cant afford to sack there manager it is claimed! theyd never go bust but could easily have to start selling players then what happens? also look at pompey isnt that a rich russian there? the money wont last and the debt cant! its only a matter of time before there is heavy casualties in football. If the Yanks get offered enough money they will sell. They keep selling all their American sports teams, which suggests that they aren't that keen on 'digging in'. I think the issue with Portsmouth is that the fact that the Russian there isn't rich at all. Listen I don't disagree with you that the money wont last and that half the clubs in the Premier league are on cusp of financial disaster if they drop out of the top league. What I don't agree with is the comparison to Leeds. i wasnt saying it would happen im saying it real damage was done to liverpool it would more likely to follow l*eds style suffering rather than go bust. |
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Post by grist on Dec 30, 2009 23:29:18 GMT 1
Reports today that the LFC owners will secure finances in Q1 of 2010 and new ground construction to commence Spring. It's a bit hard to see how the present 'owners' are owners at all. I have never been involved with high finance, but I thought the present 'owners' borrowed the money to buy the club and then transferred the whole loan to the club. In effect that should make the club the owners of itself and the 'owners' just mediators. How the 'owners' can then sell on a club that owns itself is beyond me. Nobody at Liverpool seems to worry too much, because there are never any scapegoats to be made in the murky world of premiership finance and that is yet another thing that we can thank the God/Devil Murdoch for. Can anyone explain this mess to me???  |
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Dec 30, 2009 23:32:46 GMT 1
Reports today that the LFC owners will secure finances in Q1 of 2010 and new ground construction to commence Spring. It's a bit hard to see how the present 'owners' are owners at all. I have never been involved with high finance, but I thought the present 'owners' borrowed the money to buy the club and then transferred the whole loan to the club. In effect that should make the club the owners of itself and the 'owners' just mediators. How the 'owners' can then sell on a club that owns itself is beyond me. Nobody at Liverpool seems to worry too much, because there are never any scapegoats to be made in the murky world of premiership finance and that is yet another thing that we can thank the God/Devil Murdoch for. Can anyone explain this mess to me??? its the same at man utd! hence why if liverpool dont qualify for champions league they cant serve their debt. the loan is from RBS so who suffers when they cant pay, the british tax payer |
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Post by macgalph on Dec 30, 2009 23:44:08 GMT 1
Pompey are safe, repeat Pompey are safe. Ken Davy has just bought them out. :iconlol: :iconlol: :iconlol:
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Post by bro600 on Dec 30, 2009 23:49:58 GMT 1
I wouldn't usually associate Arsenal with the word humour but the song "pay up Pompey" was quite amusing.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Dec 30, 2009 23:52:31 GMT 1
Pompey are safe, repeat Pompey are safe. Ken Davy has just bought them out.  hes not planning PO One is he? |
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Post by doniskebab7 on Dec 31, 2009 2:58:03 GMT 1
Pompy could be well and truly shafted. As far as I'm aware the Sheik who bought them for 5 minutes before selling them on for a quid striped the club of all it's assets.
i.e. stadium, training ground, surrounding lands etc are still in his company holdings. He merely transferred the club ownership rights to the clubs current owner, another dodgy arab, who by his own admission hasn't got a pot to piss in.
The Football/Premier League fit and Proper Persons test is a farce.
Mids, get on the case.
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Post by terrier19 on Dec 31, 2009 4:43:18 GMT 1
Pompy could be well and truly shafted. As far as I'm aware the Sheik who bought them for 5 minutes before selling them on for a quid striped the club of all it's assets. i.e. stadium, training ground, surrounding lands etc are still in his company holdings. He merely transferred the club ownership rights to the clubs current owner, another dodgy arab, who by his own admission hasn't got a pot to piss in. The Football/Premier League fit and Proper Persons test is a farce. Mids, get on the case. Apparently the Sheikh who bought them was the only sheikh in the world who was skint ;D |
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Post by canterburyterrier on Dec 31, 2009 10:27:22 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2009 11:33:44 GMT 1
Portsmouth seem to be in massive trouble. Failed to pay the players on time twice this year already and Avram Grant could not confirm if the players would be paid today or not. There is all the problems of the previous regimes with Storey, Mandriac and Redknapp all under investigation for various tax issues.
It is a watning sign of what happens when investors lose interest in the project Alexandre Gaydamak invested millions into the club and let Harry go out and bring in a host of excellent players on massive wages. When he pulled the plug and stoppped investing the club had to sell and have kept selling ever since. Sulaiman Al Fahim's takeover was a farce and it looks like he never had the funds to run the club but had a good time on the way sitting with the supporters, blowing his own trumpet and in the new regime maintains the chairmanship. Ali Al-Faraj has come in and seems to be trying to sort through the mess but it stinks of every time he opens a draw or a letter comes in it's another unpaid bill. Pompy seem to be suriving on a hand to mouth basis from month to month and it is just not sustainable. They have sold millions of pounds worth of players over the last two years but still seem saddled with unsuitainable debt.
I do honestly think they could go under before the season is out as given their debt, poor stadium and squad I just don't think they are an attractive proposition for investors especially as they are hardly a 'big club'
I do fear for Liverpool as well the Moores family made a massive mistake selling to Gillette and Hicks who have saddled the club with a massive amount of debt. They have let Benitez build himself a dictatorship there and force out Parry, given him a new contract despite trying to get Klinsman and made him unsackabe due to the contract having no clauses to pay him off a sum if they got rid. If Liveprool fail to make the Champions League they are just not sustainable and will not be able to service the debt with selling their prize assetts which can only be Torres and or Gerrard. Liverpool are stooped in history and there will always be someone wanting to take them over but will the Yanks allow it or will they just become entrenced and take the club past the point of recovery.
To me it is wrong what the Yanks at both Liverpool and United have done taking over the club and borrowing the money against the club to pay for it.
Football just isn't sustainable in it's current guise but ulitmately it will probably take a Liverpool going to the wall to make clubs sit up and take notice. Even if a Premiership team in the shape of Pompy went to the wall I just don't think it would make clubs change.
We have 92 clubs in the Premiership and Football League as we enter 2010 but how many will be left after another decade?
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Post by malvernterrier on Dec 31, 2009 11:37:15 GMT 1
I have great respect for the Pompy fans, used to stay down there during my brothers Navy days. They are top class fans and were one of the few who could match Town in the 'bad old days'. However, I wouyld not shed a tear for the stupid, stupid club as it stands at the moment. They fielded a team last night with NO ENGLISHMEN in the team. It makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!! I know I will get slated here, but I would HATE it if Town ever went down that road. I say this with my hand on my heart.......I dont want Town in the greedy league. Give me championship (and i know that even THAT division is going cosmopolitan :ranting: :ranting: ) Pompy is no longer a team representing Portsmouth (IMHO) It didnt seem right to me when we had the three Dutchmen in the team . Another thing......bring back the Birthright rule for YCCC......would rather be bottom of the 2nd division than have a team full of foreign mersenaries!!!!!!!!!!! Come on then!!!! Bring it on!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2009 11:46:04 GMT 1
I have great respect for the Pompy fans, used to stay down there during my brothers Navy days. They are top class fans and were one of the few who could match Town in the 'bad old days'. However, I wouyld not shed a tear for the stupid, stupid club as it stands at the moment. They fielded a team last night with NO ENGLISHMEN in the team. It makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!! I know I will get slated here, but I would HATE it if Town ever went down that road. I say this with my hand on my heart.......I dont want Town in the greedy league. Give me championship (and i know that even THAT division is going cosmopolitan  ) Pompy is no longer a team representing Portsmouth (IMHO) It didnt seem right to me when we had the three Dutchmen in the team . Another thing......bring back the Birthright rule for YCCC......would rather be bottom of the 2nd division than have a team full of foreign mersenaries!!!!!!!!!!! Come on then!!!! Bring it on!!!!!!!!! Agree Malvern how a team can put out a totally non english team makes my blood boil also, especially when they do it againt a team who do the same thing, 22 non English players in a game in Premiership, is this what football has come to :ranting: I do largely share your sentiments on not wanting to be in the Prem although I wouldn't mind getting there for just one season before I kick the bucket. I really hope that Town keep bringing through the academy products and that they feature in our success. It would mean so much more to gain success with our home grown players featuring. Your football club is part of your identity and I just don't think I would ever be able to identify with the club if it put out a team of eleven foreginers that would just rip the heart and soul out of the club. |
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Post by JollyGreenGiant on Dec 31, 2009 11:54:46 GMT 1
I have lost all interest in the premier League which is full of overpaid foreigners.
When Town get there in the not too distant future - if we are full of foreigners then I will have to seriously consider whether I will continue going - where will be the identity, the sense of achievement when the money is going to palyers who not only have we never heard of but who are no better than most of the English players if they were given a chance
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Post by malvernterrier on Dec 31, 2009 11:56:38 GMT 1
I have great respect for the Pompy fans, used to stay down there during my brothers Navy days. They are top class fans and were one of the few who could match Town in the 'bad old days'. However, I wouyld not shed a tear for the stupid, stupid club as it stands at the moment. They fielded a team last night with NO ENGLISHMEN in the team. It makes my blood boil!!!!!!!!! I know I will get slated here, but I would HATE it if Town ever went down that road. I say this with my hand on my heart.......I dont want Town in the greedy league. Give me championship (and i know that even THAT division is going cosmopolitan ) Pompy is no longer a team representing Portsmouth (IMHO) It didnt seem right to me when we had the three Dutchmen in the team . Another thing......bring back the Birthright rule for YCCC......would rather be bottom of the 2nd division than have a team full of foreign mersenaries!!!!!!!!!!! Come on then!!!! Bring it on!!!!!!!!! Agree Malvern how a team can put out a totally non english team makes my blood boil also, especially when they do it againt a team who do the same thing, 22 non English players in a game in Premiership, is this what football has come to I do largely share your sentiments on not wanting to be in the Prem although I wouldn't mind getting there for just one season before I kick the bucket. I really hope that Town keep bringing through the academy products and that they feature in our success. It would mean so much more to gain success with our home grown players featuring. Your football club is part of your identity and I just don't think I would ever be able to identify with the club if it put out a team of eleven foreginers that would just rip the heart and soul out of the club. The biggest plus about the DH era so far is that the players brought in (and the management set-up) have been young, gifted and English. Its given that Scots, Welsh and Irish kids need to be around English football........but it dont half make me proud when I see the 'Yorkshire club' logo around our club. On a similar note......it makes me sick to see the team down the road with several 'loanees' in their table-topping team!!!!!! Lazy management and short-sighted boardroom!!!!!!!! We are so so lucky to have DH. |
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