|
Post by Porrohman on Mar 26, 2016 11:32:22 GMT 1
On what are you basing your opinion that Wells is worth more than Cook ? I'm clearly of the opinion that Wells is worth a lot to us (fits and knows the system, whilst we have no alternative) and he likewise is in the market (see Fred's email for identifying the trend in prices). However, I agree with what I think you are implying- you can't really make a judgement on what we have seen of Cook and he could have the potential to play for a top four club for all we know. I doubt Wells would ever get further than a struggling Prem team. On Cook, of what I have seen, I don't see a top end Prem player, other than he runs like Wilshire! Still very young though, and as I say, I've not seen all that much of him. Only time I've seen him do owt of note was getting sent off against Donny in the league cup. Is he touted for stupid amounts because of who he plays for a la Delph Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
|
|
|
Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Mar 26, 2016 11:58:46 GMT 1
I'm clearly of the opinion that Wells is worth a lot to us (fits and knows the system, whilst we have no alternative) and he likewise is in the market (see Fred's email for identifying the trend in prices). However, I agree with what I think you are implying- you can't really make a judgement on what we have seen of Cook and he could have the potential to play for a top four club for all we know. I doubt Wells would ever get further than a struggling Prem team. On Cook, of what I have seen, I don't see a top end Prem player, other than he runs like Wilshire! Still very young though, and as I say, I've not seen all that much of him. Only time I've seen him do owt of note was getting sent off against Donny in the league cup. Is he touted for stupid amounts because of who he plays for a la Delph Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards He also played in the u-17 team that won the euros a few years ago, might have even been captain. So he's got pedigree, no idea how good he is now but he looked very good in that tournament. Josh onomah at Spurs, who's played quite a few games for them this season, was also in that team. Not sure if any others are breaking through, although Izzy Brown and Solanki at Chelsea have been loaned out to one of their European feeder clubs I think, perhaps Vitesse Arnhem.
|
|
|
Post by Porrohman on Mar 26, 2016 12:13:11 GMT 1
Only time I've seen him do owt of note was getting sent off against Donny in the league cup. Is he touted for stupid amounts because of who he plays for a la Delph Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards He also played in the u-17 team that won the euros a few years ago, might have even been captain. So he's got pedigree, no idea how good he is now but he looked very good in that tournament. Josh onomah at Spurs, who's played quite a few games for them this season, was also in that team. Not sure if any others are breaking through, although Izzy Brown and Solanki at Chelsea have been loaned out to one of their European feeder clubs I think, perhaps Vitesse Arnhem. We've had quite a few English and Irish U17's though, not many have pushed on Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
|
|
|
Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Mar 26, 2016 12:24:18 GMT 1
He also played in the u-17 team that won the euros a few years ago, might have even been captain. So he's got pedigree, no idea how good he is now but he looked very good in that tournament. Josh onomah at Spurs, who's played quite a few games for them this season, was also in that team. Not sure if any others are breaking through, although Izzy Brown and Solanki at Chelsea have been loaned out to one of their European feeder clubs I think, perhaps Vitesse Arnhem. We've had quite a few English and Irish U17's though, not many have pushed on Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Don't think we've had any youth internationals that have won the European Championships. He was pretty much an ever present in that competition. Most of the youth internationals we've had for England have got a game here and there, and the Irish/Welsh lads play for poorer international teams with less competition. As I said it doesn't mean anything of itself, but if you're looking for a reason why he's being touted for big bucks then that is a factor, along with the fact that Leeds have a reputation for producing players.
|
|
|
Post by dooky82 on Mar 26, 2016 12:48:23 GMT 1
I think a change of hobby is advisable for a few on here. Wells will go for 8 million plus and when he does I will say I told you so, again.
|
|
|
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 26, 2016 14:10:34 GMT 1
I think a change of hobby is advisable for a few on here. Wells will go for 8 million plus and when he does I will say I told you so, again. Or presumably - get yourself a new hobby
|
|
|
Post by SaudiTerrier on Mar 26, 2016 15:56:54 GMT 1
Glad none of you are in charge - "I'd take 4 million" are you insane? In this market, if he goes he's going to go for more than we sold Rhodes for. As one or two have already said, he is one of the best strikers in the league and you lot are way too hard on him. Just go on twitter and search his name and you'll see endless tweets from fans of other clubs (including those higher in the league than us and some in the Prem) saying they should be signing him. Of course fans from other clubs say they should be signing him - they've seen his name pop up on gillette soccer Sat quite a lot this season - thats all! I hope we do get more than 8m for him - I'd be delighted. I hope theres a chairman/manager out there daft enough to spend the much on him. You say that likes it's a bad thing... Ronaldo and Messi's name pops up a fair bit as well, guess there's more to it than that as well and we shouldn't bother signing them if we could. He's the striker, his job is to get goals and as many have said he's developed massively to become more useful to the team as well. He's one of the top scorers in the league and that's it, missed chances are just ifs and buts because all strikers miss sometimes. The reason we aren't higher up in the table is due to the general fuck up that was Powell, and a leaky defence.
|
|
|
Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 26, 2016 16:10:07 GMT 1
OK- so the logic goes....we spend £X however many months ago (when prices for strikers in particular were totally different) and we then multiply it by an arbitrary factor of three. Is this the Keynesian or Friedman school of economics? Were prices 2 years ago that different? I hadn't really noticed - I mean we got 8m for Rhodes further back still, then 2014, Brighton got 10m for Ulloa, McCormack 11m.....Assombalonga - 6-8m or something? Have you not seen Fred's post- bang average players like Mason for 3 million, 2 million loan fee for Vydra. Besides, Wells wasn't proven then and is now- just like those you quoted were at the time. On your vidiprinter point- it probably is a large factor in many rating him, and possibly too high. However, it's no different to those on here that act like no other striker misses a sodding chance- the thought process is just as narrow!
|
|
Melc
Jimmy Glazzard Terrier
Posts: 4,829
|
Post by Melc on Mar 26, 2016 16:40:32 GMT 1
I bet there is a lot more clubs in this division who had wished they had a striker who is fourth in the goal scoring charts with 15 goals for a fee of £1.3m. His record under Wagner is something like 11 goals in 22 games, which is a good rate at this level by anyone's standards! The fact we have let in so many soft goals has maybe caused more criticism of Wells than normal as it has cost us points. Looking forward to a full season under Wagner to maybe get 25 plus from him next season.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 19:40:18 GMT 1
Of course fans from other clubs say they should be signing him - they've seen his name pop up on gillette soccer Sat quite a lot this season - thats all! I hope we do get more than 8m for him - I'd be delighted. I hope theres a chairman/manager out there daft enough to spend the much on him. You say that likes it's a bad thing... Ronaldo and Messi's name pops up a fair bit as well, guess there's more to it than that as well and we shouldn't bother signing them if we could. He's the striker, his job is to get goals and as many have said he's developed massively to become more useful to the team as well. He's one of the top scorers in the league and that's it, missed chances are just ifs and buts because all strikers miss sometimes. The reason we aren't higher up in the table is due to the general fuck up that was Powell, and a leaky defence. No its not a bad thing - my point is, most of the fans your referring to on twitter have probably hardly even seen him play. Don't mistake me for someone who's criticising Wells - if you look back at his main threads - I was one of the ones defending him. I just don't think he's worth 8m
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 19:46:43 GMT 1
Were prices 2 years ago that different? I hadn't really noticed - I mean we got 8m for Rhodes further back still, then 2014, Brighton got 10m for Ulloa, McCormack 11m.....Assombalonga - 6-8m or something? Have you not seen Fred's post- bang average players like Mason for 3 million, 2 million loan fee for Vydra. Besides, Wells wasn't proven then and is now- just like those you quoted were at the time. On your vidiprinter point- it probably is a large factor in many rating him, and possibly too high. However, it's n o different to those on here that act like no other striker misses a sodding chance- the thought process is just as narrow! I totally agree I think he gets far too much shit and people are unrealistic with chances they expect him to score, as I've said many times before. But I still don't think he's worth 8m. No reason why we can't demand that much though - nice issue to be talking about
|
|
4 pts
Steve Kindon Terrier
Posts: 1,629
|
Post by 4 pts on Mar 26, 2016 21:46:05 GMT 1
Ill tell you what I think babs; I agree - some arsehole somewhere would probably pay 6-8m for Wells, he's not worth that much in my opinion but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be holding out for that - why not? On the other hand - would you trust David Wagner and his contacts to bring in a couple of strikers capable of at least filling the void left, if Wells moved on for 3-4m? I definitely would. As much as Well's all round game has improved and yet he still gets some ridiculous stick about missing chances - I think Wagner would ideally like a couple of options up front with a bit more of a physical presence, not necessarily 6'3 beasts, but just options to give us another dimension when needed (i.e. Burnley a couple of weeks ago). I agree it's feasible we could do better- but there's nothing to suggest Wagner or Webber are going to be able to unearth some gems that no-one else has seen and for an amount way under the standard in England. Then there's convincing them to move to the North of England. Otherwise, what on earth is this figure you have in your head based on, if it's not market price (I.e. what you think someone would pay)? I would take a punt on Nicky Ajose. Wouldn't expect Swindon to command a massive fee and if so its a small risk for potentially a decent goalscorer who is pretty similar to Wells
|
|
Ruairí
Iain Dunn Terrier
Posts: 521
|
Post by Ruairí on Mar 26, 2016 22:17:26 GMT 1
If he hits 20 league goals by the end of the season, I'd imagine we could push a sale price over £10m. Player fee inflation goes up in line with the inflation in TV money on offer in the Prem. Next season it increases by 71%, so the desperation to reach it has increased concomitantly.
Plus you've got to remember that parachutes for the three relegated teams are set at 55% of PL broadcast revenue. That's 55% of £99m.£10-£15m spent on one of the best strikers from the previous year is completely reasonable. We'll see £20m for the best Championship striker within three seasons.
|
|
|
Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 26, 2016 22:17:32 GMT 1
I agree it's feasible we could do better- but there's nothing to suggest Wagner or Webber are going to be able to unearth some gems that no-one else has seen and for an amount way under the standard in England. Then there's convincing them to move to the North of England. Otherwise, what on earth is this figure you have in your head based on, if it's not market price (I.e. what you think someone would pay)? I would take a punt on Nicky Ajose. Wouldn't expect Swindon to command a massive fee and if so its a small risk for potentially a decent goalscorer who is pretty similar to Wells The same Nicky Ajose who was such a success at Leeds last season ? Are you having a giraffe ?
|
|
4 pts
Steve Kindon Terrier
Posts: 1,629
|
Post by 4 pts on Mar 26, 2016 22:37:01 GMT 1
I would take a punt on Nicky Ajose. Wouldn't expect Swindon to command a massive fee and if so its a small risk for potentially a decent goalscorer who is pretty similar to Wells The same Nicky Ajose who was such a success at Leeds last season ? Are you having a giraffe ? The same Jamie Paterson who couldn't get on the bench at Forest ? Yes Ted, the same Nicky Ajose. Sometimes a player just doesn't fit but I don't know who does when it comes to Leeds. Seen him a few times this season and has been the best player on the pitch for me.
|
|
|
Post by wtd on Mar 26, 2016 23:33:57 GMT 1
Looking forward to a full season under Wagner to maybe get 25 plus from him next season. I'll take just the 20... and 20 more from some big German!
|
|
|
Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 26, 2016 23:36:18 GMT 1
Looking forward to a full season under Wagner to maybe get 25 plus from him next season. I'll take just the 20... and 20 more from some big German! That sounds so wrong!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 23:45:06 GMT 1
I'll take just the 20... and 20 more from some big German! That sounds so wrong! Alles klar.
|
|
|
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 26, 2016 23:47:52 GMT 1
The same Nicky Ajose who was such a success at Leeds last season ? Are you having a giraffe ? The same Jamie Paterson who couldn't get on the bench at Forest ? Yes Ted, the same Nicky Ajose. Sometimes a player just doesn't fit but I don't know who does when it comes to Leeds. Seen him a few times this season and has been the best player on the pitch for me. Thought Ajose looked very similar to Wells - decent finisher.
|
|
|
Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 27, 2016 1:36:51 GMT 1
He's had a decent season .. in league one .. check the guys history .. at pboro for years doing nowt getting loaned out .. inexplicably signed by hockaday before swiftly being loaned out.. if he has improved hugely then fair enough . Players do improve . But would be a huge gamble imo
|
|
|
Post by 66738 on Mar 27, 2016 8:15:20 GMT 1
If Wells had missed the target like Alli did for England last night, he'd have been in for some reet shite on here. It just shows that they are only human. If people did not make errors, they would not put rubbers on the end of pencils.
|
|
|
Post by bogart on Mar 27, 2016 10:55:44 GMT 1
If Wells had missed the target like Alli did for England last night, he'd have been in for some reet shite on here. It just shows that they are only human. If people did not make errors, they would not put rubbers on the end of pencils. Eraser would have been better, pencils and rubbers not what was I thinking of?
|
|
|
Post by capitalterrier on Mar 27, 2016 11:34:43 GMT 1
I wish I'd put a rubber on before making mistakes.
|
|
|
Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Mar 27, 2016 13:25:38 GMT 1
If Wells had missed the target like Alli did for England last night, he'd have been in for some reet shite on here. It just shows that they are only human. If people did not make errors, they would not put rubbers on the end of pencils. Eraser would have been better, pencils and rubbers not what was I thinking of? It is always important that you have lead in your pencil
|
|
|
Post by Bojaj Horseman on Mar 28, 2016 17:52:00 GMT 1
Can't see this going down too well
|
|
|
Post by gledholt terrier on Mar 28, 2016 17:56:36 GMT 1
Can't see this going down too well Why not? (Wouldn't mind Bradford coming up either)
|
|
Chicken George
Andy Booth Terrier
Wise men sing, only fools rush in, but I cant help falling in love with you.....
Posts: 3,019
|
Post by Chicken George on Mar 28, 2016 18:02:19 GMT 1
Anyone know what the sell on Claus is on him and any truth is this silly figure of £50k that city fans think they get everytime he scores a goal?
|
|
|
Post by Bojaj Horseman on Mar 28, 2016 18:05:10 GMT 1
Can't see this going down too well Why not? (Wouldn't mind Bradford coming up either) Me neither to be honest, but I can see some sections of the support not being too happy that he's supporting our local rivals
|
|
|
Post by impact on Mar 28, 2016 18:05:38 GMT 1
Anyone know what the sell on Claus is on him and any truth is this silly figure of £50k that city fans think they get everytime he scores a goal? 125% plus 2.5m for every shot on target.
|
|
|
Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 28, 2016 18:19:16 GMT 1
He's had a decent season .. in league one .. check the guys history .. at pboro for years doing nowt getting loaned out .. inexplicably signed by hockaday before swiftly being loaned out.. if he has improved hugely then fair enough . Players do improve . But would be a huge gamble imo Your probably right. Just caught my eye with a couple of decent Wells like finishes. One very similar to Wells free kick at QPR. Scored plenty in a poorly performing team. Similar sort of build. Call him a poor mans Wells if that's the sort of low cost option we are looking for to spell Nahki. Personally I'd rather have someone young big and quick who could be an alternative to Wells or give us a two up front if required. Happy to leave it DW's hands - sure he knows precisely what need to improve the squad.
|
|