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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 15:09:19 GMT 1
Can somebody list the nine please? The examiner website is garbage on my iPad, will end up through a window if it keeps crashing and reloading. Hogg Hudson Cranie Miller Duane Holmes William Boyle Allinson Ben Holmes (released) Ed Wilczynski (released) Thanks. For me Wagner sees things as a team rather than as individuals, he wants a certain style of play regardless of the component parts. Hogg, Whitehead, Billing, Cranie can all slot into the midfield two, so I guess Hogg and Cranie will be staying. Hudson ain't the best but think he will get another year. Perm two from Lynch, Hudson, Cranie and a new signing. Another nod to Cranie staying. Allinson and Miller will be gone. Holmes is the tricky one. Where he fits. Assuming we have Matmour, Bunn, Lolley, and others that can come off the wing to play behind Wells or a new signing then he's not really going to get a sniff. He will be on a couple of quid after a new contract when he broke through a couple of years ago too. The loan he went on didn't work and maybe he's more interested in being a footballer than playing football. A move would probably be good for him and should be something he's looking for anyway if he wants to play. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 29, 2016 15:10:56 GMT 1
Seem to remember somebody saying that Hoyle "wants to go for it" next season. We won't be going anywhere unless we significantly improve the defence and that means a back up role at best for Hudson. Holmes & Boyle should both be given an extra year to continue their development, but the rest can go for me (maybe keep Cranie). Hogg? Injured too often. Hoyle refused new contracts for Vaughan and Gobern based on their appearance record and Hogg is pretty much the same. |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 29, 2016 15:20:24 GMT 1
Seem to remember somebody saying that Hoyle "wants to go for it" next season. We won't be going anywhere unless we significantly improve the defence and that means a back up role at best for Hudson. Holmes & Boyle should both be given an extra year to continue their development, but the rest can go for me (maybe keep Cranie). You'd let Hogg and Matmour go but keep Holmes and Boyle ?!! Blimey, it'd be the other way round for me Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Mar 29, 2016 15:23:01 GMT 1
Keep Hogg + Cranie. Possibly Hudson but only if he is 3rd or 4th choice centre back. He's been a liability at times this season and with another summer of hard training I don't know how his body will react.
Get rid of the rest.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 29, 2016 15:24:20 GMT 1
Seem to remember somebody saying that Hoyle "wants to go for it" next season. We won't be going anywhere unless we significantly improve the defence and that means a back up role at best for Hudson. Holmes & Boyle should both be given an extra year to continue their development, but the rest can go for me (maybe keep Cranie). You'd let Hogg and Matmour go but keep Holmes and Boyle ?!! Blimey, it'd be the other way round for me Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Both have the opportunity to get better, whereas Matmour is at the wrong end of his career and Hogg is too injury prone. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 15:31:29 GMT 1
You'd let Hogg and Matmour go but keep Holmes and Boyle ?!! Blimey, it'd be the other way round for me Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Both have the opportunity to get better, whereas Matmour is at the wrong end of his career and Hogg is too injury prone. Matmour is 30! Usually when most are around the peak of their careers, not at the wrong end of it. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 29, 2016 15:37:59 GMT 1
Both have the opportunity to get better, whereas Matmour is at the wrong end of his career and Hogg is too injury prone. Matmour is 30! Usually when most are around the peak of their careers, not at the wrong end of it. He was without a club when we signed him and prior to that he'd been playing in Kuwait. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 15:39:18 GMT 1
My choices would be: Matmour - maybe a year if we can't identify somebody better and younger. Wouldn't break the bank to keep.
Holmes - 1 more year. He really needs to progress now though. We need more than just potential.
Allinson - release.
Hudson - improved but still release. He isn't going to get better is he. Hogg - tough one. I like him but too injury prone and the wage could be spent on somebody less injury prone.
Miller - easiest decision since Vaughan has signed for next year with Birmingham. Gone.
Cranie - I'd keep as a back up. He's decent but shouldn't be a starter if we want to progress properly.
Boyle - not seen enough of him. Unless we think he could be a top end Championship defender I'd release (possibly harsh).
Is Vaughan the 9th? I wouldn't renew him even if Brum weren't taking him. Hasn't been an asset for about 2 years.
Obviously, I don't think that this is what will happen but it is what I'd do.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 29, 2016 15:54:40 GMT 1
Hudson, Hogg, Matmour for me.
Not sure re Crainie.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 29, 2016 16:00:09 GMT 1
Seem to remember somebody saying that Hoyle "wants to go for it" next season. We won't be going anywhere unless we significantly improve the defence and that means a back up role at best for Hudson. Holmes & Boyle should both be given an extra year to continue their development, but the rest can go for me (maybe keep Cranie). Spot on . We need to look for better individuals than what we have now in several positions. I could see a case for keeping none of those that are out of contract if we are really going for it. |
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Post by htfc63 on Mar 29, 2016 16:00:14 GMT 1
Agree with the above apart from Boyle who I would give one more year as he does look like he has the potential to develop under Wagner. Totally agree regarding Hudson as he is slow now and what will he be like in a years time however it sounds as thou we will keep him possibly for another year. Hogg is a difficult one as his injuries mean he is unavailable for long periods of time and will he be a luxury when there are no loans to come in and replace such players. I do think they will take up the option though for another year to see if things improve. We do have to make room for a left back, centre half and at least one forward however Vaughns exit will free up a good amount of cash to bring in two if not three players.
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 29, 2016 16:03:59 GMT 1
Hudson, Hogg, Matmour for me. Not sure re Crainie. You'd keep Hudson, Hogg and Matmour? Or let them go? |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 29, 2016 16:06:42 GMT 1
Hudson, Hogg, Matmour for me. Not sure re Crainie. You'd keep Hudson, Hogg and Matmour? Or let them go? h Keep them, Hudson can still do a job. Matmour looks ok too. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 29, 2016 16:14:35 GMT 1
I'd keep Vaughan...
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Post by EastCoastTerrier on Mar 29, 2016 16:17:51 GMT 1
Think wanting a large squad will have a big impact on decisions. Every player released is another that will require recruiting and signing as well as the ones already needed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 16:18:35 GMT 1
Hudson, Hogg, Matmour for me. Not sure re Crainie. You'd keep Hudson, Hogg and Matmour? Or let them go? He'd keep them, no, let them go, no, keep them, no, let them go. |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 29, 2016 16:22:36 GMT 1
You'd let Hogg and Matmour go but keep Holmes and Boyle ?!! Blimey, it'd be the other way round for me Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Both have the opportunity to get better, whereas Matmour is at the wrong end of his career and Hogg is too injury prone. Fair enough mate Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 29, 2016 16:25:43 GMT 1
Think wanting a large squad will have a big impact on decisions. Every player released is another that will require recruiting and signing as well as the ones already needed. Webber said that we need a squad of 18 or so experienced players with the rest made up of younger lads. If we are limiting it to 18 then they need to be good players and not just players who will make up the numbers as some of those experienced out of contract players would do. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 16:28:24 GMT 1
maybe I am being harsh but I would let them all go.
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Post by EastCoastTerrier on Mar 29, 2016 16:40:32 GMT 1
Think wanting a large squad will have a big impact on decisions. Every player released is another that will require recruiting and signing as well as the ones already needed. Webber said that we need a squad of 18 or so experienced players with the rest made up of younger lads. If we are limiting it to 18 then they need to be good players and not just players who will make up the numbers as some of those experienced out of contract players would do. But will Holmes and Boyle count as part of that "18" or as part of the "younger lads" |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 29, 2016 16:43:03 GMT 1
You'd keep Hudson, Hogg and Matmour? Or let them go? h Keep them, Hudson can still do a job. Matmour looks ok too. Ok let's just focus on the Hudson bit. You said this not that long ago regarding Hudson. Dont get how wagner thinks hes good  You'd keep him but don't get how Wagner thinks he's good? But you'd bin Craine? Don't do drugs kids. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 29, 2016 16:47:34 GMT 1
h Keep them, Hudson can still do a job. Matmour looks ok too. Ok let's just focus on the Hudson bit. You said this not that long ago regarding Hudson. Dont get how wagner thinks hes good You'd keep him but don't get how Wagner thinks he's good? But you'd bin Craine? Don't do drugs kids. Never mind Ben, use your energys in more productive way instead of just trying to pick folk up on posts. Imo Hudson is average but worth another year as can probs be good enough for us. Matmour can be a good squad player too imo. Dont take it too seriously Mate,.   |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 29, 2016 16:49:40 GMT 1
Webber said that we need a squad of 18 or so experienced players with the rest made up of younger lads. If we are limiting it to 18 then they need to be good players and not just players who will make up the numbers as some of those experienced out of contract players would do. But will Holmes and Boyle count as part of that "18" or as part of the "younger lads" Younger lads. Wagner managed Dortmund U23's with the aim of getting them ready for first team action so I'd guess he'd still see these two as developing players and we won't have to break the bank to keep them. |
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Mar 29, 2016 17:00:52 GMT 1
I think we need to consider that there are not going to be any emergency loans next year so we need a bigger squad.
Give Matmour an extra year. He's useful backup at a bare minimum and is still getting used to the English game
Allinson is 22 and will not make it as a first choice, get rid.
Cranie has been average but I'd keep him for backup as he is fairly versatile- an extra year
Likewise for Hudson, although we need a better centre half if we're going to have a proper go next season
Hogg is a useful player to have around, more use on our books than another Championship team's
Boyle- no idea. Haven't seen him play, but he's young and should probably be given a bit more time to develop
Holmes is a difficult one. He's been around for what seems like ages and hasn't really progressed a lot, still seems like a very raw talent. I'd give him another year
Miller isn't even worthy of comment
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Post by y2troy on Mar 29, 2016 17:04:16 GMT 1
We dont really know Holmes' position ,too lightweight for centre mid therefore just behind the striker is his best position , but will be better than what we can bring in ??
I would give him another year let DW get his ways into him as when got some potential then can build on that
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Mar 29, 2016 17:32:22 GMT 1
Cranie
Matmour
Hogg
Boyle
That'll do for me
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 29, 2016 17:35:45 GMT 1
Based on what I witnessed of Boyle when I saw York at AFC Wimbledon a couple of weeks ago I'd give him a further 12 months. As soon as Town are safe this season I'd like Boyle to make a start for Town just to see how he does and maybe it'll help DW make up his mind.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Mar 29, 2016 17:54:46 GMT 1
Given that we only have 14/15 so called 'first-teamers' contracted to us next season and the abolishment of the emergency loan system then I'd expect us to have a slightly larger squad. I'd only look to extend Hogg's and Cranie's year options and give Holmes and Boyle year contracts with an option of a further year. Hudson is only worth a new deal if he takes a significant pay cut (reportedly our biggest earner now) and is willing to be 3rd choice CB. Matmour is a difficult one given that we have been after Ryan Gauld, have an option to sign Paterson and will be bringing in RVLP on a permanent deal. Webber commented on squad the other day. www.examiner.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-town-prepared-end-emergency-11096262Exciting comments, I've been thinking that's the way forward for a while |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 29, 2016 18:00:52 GMT 1
Hogg and Cranie are definites IMO
Matmour a possible- haven't seen enough of him.
The rest should all go IMO.
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Post by bogart on Mar 29, 2016 18:11:25 GMT 1
Perhaps a new club might be what Holmes needs in order to push on? Been at Town since he was 9 year old, he's been on the fringes for 3 years but never really threatened for a regular place. Change might do him some good. Saw him a few years ago in a youth game at QPR looked by a mile to be Towns best player. Does just not seem to have progressed as expected. |
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