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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 6, 2016 17:03:12 GMT 1
Retires to consider verdict. The worst day in the history of football, we all remember what we were doing in 1989. Hopefully some closure for the familys in next few days.
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Apr 6, 2016 18:31:42 GMT 1
Awful day, the day before new signing Chris Lowe was born.
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Post by bristolterrier on Apr 6, 2016 18:47:45 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see the reaction if they don't get the verdict they all crave.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 6, 2016 18:55:34 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see the reaction if they don't get the verdict they all crave. "Whacha mean it were our fault wac, it can't be ! Nottins ever our fault. It were de bizzies. Can't stop mate, gorra go sign on like" Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 19:12:55 GMT 1
That's some jury duty that.2 years Jesus
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 6, 2016 19:15:07 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see the reaction if they don't get the verdict they all crave. Let's hope they get justice yeah ? That's all any football fan should crave yeah ?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 6, 2016 19:20:19 GMT 1
The police acted with negligence that day, there is no other verdict available here if you ask me.
Seems to me SYP are incompetent, its not the first time they have faced controversy.
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Post by thrice on Apr 6, 2016 20:01:56 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see the reaction if they don't get the verdict they all crave. Let's hope they get justice yeah ? That's all any football fan should crave yeah ? What would justice look like? I cannot see a satisfactory ending to this.
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Post by ACW on Apr 6, 2016 20:32:59 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see the reaction if they don't get the verdict they all crave. "Whacha mean it were our fault wac, it can't be ! Nottins ever our fault. It were de bizzies. Can't stop mate, gorra go sign on like" Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Jesus wept! These people lost their loved ones that day. People went to a football match and never came back. You really need to have a long hard look at yourself. I hope they get the justice they deserve.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 6, 2016 20:58:13 GMT 1
"Whacha mean it were our fault wac, it can't be ! Nottins ever our fault. It were de bizzies. Can't stop mate, gorra go sign on like" Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Jesus wept! These people lost their loved ones that day. People went to a football match and never came back. You really need to have a long hard look at yourself. I hope they get the justice they deserve. So is it only going to be justice if they are found to be completely innocent and absolutely everything that happened is down to the police. Any hint that some of their fans could have a bit of blame apportioned to them and it's a flawed judgement ? Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by ACW on Apr 6, 2016 21:17:27 GMT 1
Jesus wept! These people lost their loved ones that day. People went to a football match and never came back. You really need to have a long hard look at yourself. I hope they get the justice they deserve. So is it only going to be justice if they are found to be completely innocent and absolutely everything that happened is down to the police. Any hint that some of their fans could have a bit of blame apportioned to them and it's a flawed judgement ? Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards That will be up to the jury. Things are rarely black and white, but you've obviously made your mind up. Whether or not Liverpool fans were partially to blame for the disaster doesn't mean anyone deserved to die and their loved ones definitely don't deserve your disrespectful and pathetic attempts at humour. They, along with those who died, deserve respect and admiration. Not stupid and distasteful stereotyping from the likes of you.
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Post by townrwe on Apr 6, 2016 21:25:38 GMT 1
I don't believe every tragedy needs to have someone to blame. It was a combination of circumstances for which no one person or body should be held accountable. Lessons have been learned, time to move on and let them rest in peace.
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Post by y2troy on Apr 6, 2016 21:31:59 GMT 1
I hope that all the familys get what they deserve justice for the lost ones, together the south yorkshire police along with the club are 100% to blame and its not just a matter of pointing fingers,the evidence mounts up , no safety certificate,over crowding the stands ,how the police acted etc etc
I know football is a game of opinions BUT this is not directly a football issue and for anyone who thinks the fans were to blame is a disgrace ,we all go to a match expecting to support our team and come back after it and pondering on the match ,unfortunately them poor families had to suffer that trauma and had too for so many years.We have all been to grounds that small away stand and safe in the way that can go there have a day out doesnt matter who you support thats all we want safety at a match .
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Post by terracesider on Apr 6, 2016 21:32:39 GMT 1
I suppose it's widely known that the Taylor report didn't (in spite of the received "inside knowledge" at the time) apportion any significant blame to the supporters...
The police, the ground authorities, Sheffield Council and the FA were all held to some degree to be responsible for the miserable events of that afternoon. The cursory nature of the subsequent inquest (including the high-handed attitude of the Coroner) have fed the "cover up" story.
No consolation to the families of the victim's, but at least the resulting safety improvements of football grounds (and the near elimination of hooliganism) that has resulted from the recommendations of the Taylor report, has much improved the football supporting experience...
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 6, 2016 21:37:31 GMT 1
So is it only going to be justice if they are found to be completely innocent and absolutely everything that happened is down to the police. Any hint that some of their fans could have a bit of blame apportioned to them and it's a flawed judgement ? Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards That will be up to the jury. Things are rarely black and white, but you've obviously made your mind up. Whether or not Liverpool fans were partially to blame for the disaster doesn't mean anyone deserved to die and their loved ones definitely don't deserve your disrespectful and pathetic attempts at humour. They, along with those who died, deserve respect and admiration. Not stupid and distasteful stereotyping from the likes of you. I haven't "made my mind up", I don't care one way or t'other who gets blamed. I haven't said anyone deserved to die and I don't give a fuck what you think of my humour Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 21:49:42 GMT 1
Denials and cover-ups for decades. Forced justice years later. Apologies from all concerned. Never happen again, really sorry, we'll learn from this. Bollocks, bollocks, fucking bollocks. It's Groundhog Day. For Hillsborough, read Thomas Cook, Orgreave, Rotherham etc etc, the list is too long. Sorry but justice does not always exist and for the poor victims of Hillsborough, justice will never exist. RIP
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Post by ACW on Apr 6, 2016 21:59:32 GMT 1
That will be up to the jury. Things are rarely black and white, but you've obviously made your mind up. Whether or not Liverpool fans were partially to blame for the disaster doesn't mean anyone deserved to die and their loved ones definitely don't deserve your disrespectful and pathetic attempts at humour. They, along with those who died, deserve respect and admiration. Not stupid and distasteful stereotyping from the likes of you. I haven't "made my mind up", I don't care one way or t'other who gets blamed. I haven't said anyone deserved to die and I don't give a fuck what you think of my humour Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Your humour was directed at the loved ones of those who died. They don't deserve your pathetic insults. Wherever the blame lies the loved ones do not deserve ANY abuse and get nothing but admiration from right-minded people. They have been through hell. I hope they get the justice they deserve. I don't really give a fuck what you think of me, but your outrageous post could not be left unchallenged. It was a disgrace and so are you.
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Post by sapphireblue on Apr 6, 2016 22:05:14 GMT 1
Every football fan whose behaviour led, inevitably, to the culture and environments which, directly or indirectly, led to the Hillsborough and Bradford disasters, is partially to blame for what happened on those dreadful days. I fully acknowledge my small part in that and I fully apologise for my awful behaviour during those times.
RIP indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 22:16:33 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see the reaction if they don't get the verdict they all crave. Same as usual, another enquiry.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Apr 6, 2016 22:32:58 GMT 1
I don't believe every tragedy needs to have someone to blame. It was a combination of circumstances for which no one person or body should be held accountable. Lessons have been learned, time to move on and let them rest in peace. Best comments on here. It was an accumulation of police error, and 20 years of British hooliganism coming to a massive peak. Tradegy waiting to happen if you ask me. British authorities were also warned that Hillsborough wasn't fit for such a massive game, after the semi final there a couple of years before, but they went ahead Anyway. Again, tragic circumstances but impossible to put the blame on one aspect.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 6, 2016 22:43:15 GMT 1
Every football fan whose behaviour led, inevitably, to the culture and environments which, directly or indirectly, led to the Hillsborough and Bradford disasters, is partially to blame for what happened on those dreadful days. I fully acknowledge my small part in that and I fully apologise for my awful behaviour during those times. RIP indeed. Huh? What has the Bradford fire got to do with it? Bradford were warned on more than one occasion about the fire hazard congregating under the stand, nothing to do with hooliganism, just Bradford's lax attitude Health and Safety.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 6, 2016 22:50:50 GMT 1
I don't believe every tragedy needs to have someone to blame. It was a combination of circumstances for which no one person or body should be held accountable. Lessons have been learned, time to move on and let them rest in peace. Best comments on here. It was an accumulation of police error, and 20 years of British hooliganism coming to a massive peak. Tradegy waiting to happen if you ask me. British authorities were also warned that Hillsborough wasn't fit for such a massive game, after the semi final there a couple of years before, but they went ahead Anyway. Again, tragic circumstances but impossible to put the blame on one aspect. Errr .. what about the lies and cover ups in the aftermath Phil ? Do you not think any "blame" can be laid at the door of those who lied ?
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Post by sapphireblue on Apr 6, 2016 23:07:12 GMT 1
Every football fan whose behaviour led, inevitably, to the culture and environments which, directly or indirectly, led to the Hillsborough and Bradford disasters, is partially to blame for what happened on those dreadful days. I fully acknowledge my small part in that and I fully apologise for my awful behaviour during those times. RIP indeed. Huh? What has the Bradford fire got to do with it? Bradford were warned on more than one occasion about the fire hazard congregating under the stand, nothing to do with hooliganism, just Bradford's lax attitude Health and Safety. I didn't say hooliganism I said behaviour. I am pretty sure the folks incinerated due to locked doors due to repeated illicit access may disagree with you as to the reasons.
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Post by hypotenuse on Apr 6, 2016 23:49:12 GMT 1
Remember going to Hillsborough in 1983 along with 8000 Town fans. Was with my father in one of the side pens but the centre pen was very overcrowded. Clearly remember him saying with reference to the crowded pens and the little narrow tunnels under the Leppings Lane end " there'll be fans who die here in a crush one day, believe me"
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 7, 2016 0:08:17 GMT 1
Remember going to Hillsborough in 1983 along with 8000 Town fans. Was with my father in one of the side pens but the centre pen was very overcrowded. Clearly remember him saying with reference to the crowded pens and the little narrow tunnels under the Leppings Lane end " there'll be fans who die here in a crush one day, believe me" I said the same thing when I was in the leppings a couple of years later... The deaths were a culmination of appalling mismanagement on all levels ..police.. FA . SWFC .. Government
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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 7, 2016 1:13:29 GMT 1
Remember going to Hillsborough in 1983 along with 8000 Town fans. Was with my father in one of the side pens but the centre pen was very overcrowded. Clearly remember him saying with reference to the crowded pens and the little narrow tunnels under the Leppings Lane end " there'll be fans who die here in a crush one day, believe me" I said the same thing when I was in the leppings a couple of years later... The deaths were a culmination of appalling mismanagement on all levels ..police.. FA . SWFC .. Government Out of curiosity Ted, do you lay any responsibility in what happened (even 1%) at the hands of any of the followers of Liverpool that day?. (Or do you solely blame the 'establishment')?.
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Apr 7, 2016 2:02:31 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see the reaction if they don't get the verdict they all crave. "Whacha mean it were our fault wac, it can't be ! Nottins ever our fault. It were de bizzies. Can't stop mate, gorra go sign on like" Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Not remotely funny, if that was really the intention behind this post. You've made no attempt to hide your dislike of Liverpool on here but dancing on the graves of those human beings who died, many of whom were just kids, does you no favours whatsoever. Did a scouser steal your girlfriend or something? That's the only thing I can think that would inspire such blind hatred.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 7, 2016 7:19:46 GMT 1
I said the same thing when I was in the leppings a couple of years later... The deaths were a culmination of appalling mismanagement on all levels ..police.. FA . SWFC .. Government Out of curiosity Ted, do you lay any responsibility in what happened (even 1%) at the hands of any of the followers of Liverpool that day?. (Or do you solely blame the 'establishment')?. Out of curiosity Morley, I'd be interested to know what Liverpool fans did that day which leads you to think they should be found in any way culpable for the deaths of 96 people.. I'd agree with sapphire further up the page that ALL football fans who enjoyed "a bit of a rumble " in the 70s and 80s need to have a look at themselves (hi malverntom) because the pathetic futility of football violence led to a climate where football supporters were penned in like chicken. But on that day the reality was that if the Liverpool fans had been diverted from going down the central tunnel and funnelled out to the sides then no one would have died.. and that Factor was nothing to do with "drunken scousers" .. it happened every single year.. crushes in the central pen ..people having picnics in the wing pens..it was a total shambles .. and to compound the shambles those responsible for the shambles then waged a vicious hateful smear campaign against good innocent people .. from Thatcher down .. I'd encourage you to read about the enquiry and what led to it .. and what these amazing people from the justice campaign have had to endure ..and imagine that it had happened to town and town fans .. cos as the guy said we took big numbers for the 0-0 draw in 83-84.. it could easily have been me and you Morley, kids going to the football .. go to the recent David Conn article Morley in the Guardian and look at all their faces.. mostly under 25s .. a shocking, disgraceful and avoidable waste of lives
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 7, 2016 7:22:47 GMT 1
Totally distasteful immature comments from some individuals on this imo. Imagine if this was our fans or any family of persons we knew.
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Post by dalton knee-jerk on Apr 7, 2016 8:10:26 GMT 1
It will be interesting to see the reaction if they don't get the verdict they all crave. Let's hope they get justice yeah ? That's all any football fan should crave yeah ? Don't suppose the Heysel victims will ever get proper justice either will they ? Or should we do what Victimpool do best and try and forget that ever happened ? Because they weren't responsible for that either. Was the NF/Chelsea fans/Belgian Police/Juventus fans* *Delete as applicable depending on your shell-suit colour
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