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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 9:50:42 GMT 1
I heard tell of this exchange... Question: "What will it take for us to move into the middle eight in this division?" Answer: "Me getting my cheque book out" Is this correct? It was 'I'll need to get my hand out of my pocket'. Hang on, we are in the middle 8 and finished in the middle 8 last season. Only just mind but we were and are there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 9:53:48 GMT 1
You're dead right and why fine a team who probably can't pay..points deductions are the only deterrent to make this work. Of the meeting DH was up beat and clearly looking forward to next season already. It was also confirmed the players were going on a military style training camp in Sweden and possibly playing friendlies in Austria. It is however interesting that none of the more negative / cynical who post on here ever show up and ask questions...odd that, given how passionate and concerned they can be. Forgot about that. All the squad are going on a Swedish survival trip, Dortmund do it every year apparently. The squad get put together in groups of three, they get a canoe, fishing rod and a tent and must survive for 3 days.... Apparently it's good for intergrating new players, team building and team spirit. I hope DTS does some video diaries of this. Amazing idea.
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Post by ben1987 on Apr 24, 2016 9:56:05 GMT 1
Forgot about that. All the squad are going on a Swedish survival trip, Dortmund do it every year apparently. The squad get put together in groups of three, they get a canoe, fishing rod and a tent and must survive for 3 days.... Apparently it's good for intergrating new players, team building and team spirit. I hope DTS does some video diaries of this. Amazing idea. The England cricket team did something similar before going to Australia back in 2010 when they won 3-1. They went to some Woods in Germany for two weeks and camped for the duration.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 24, 2016 10:06:30 GMT 1
It's refreshing to hear the club are taking a different approach to next season and going to be giving it a go, might stop us moaning bastards moaning, although DATM could be dull as hell next season if we are flying high and doing well, i'll be seizing on any mistake and any defeat and blowing out of all proportion just to get a good ruck going on here.
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Post by ben1987 on Apr 24, 2016 10:08:06 GMT 1
i'll be seizing on any mistake and any defeat and blowing out of all proportion just to get a good ruck going on here. You do that anyway ya melt
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Post by upthetown on Apr 24, 2016 10:25:31 GMT 1
You're dead right and why fine a team who probably can't pay..points deductions are the only deterrent to make this work. Of the meeting DH was up beat and clearly looking forward to next season already. It was also confirmed the players were going on a military style training camp in Sweden and possibly playing friendlies in Austria. It is however interesting that none of the more negative / cynical who post on here ever show up and ask questions...odd that, given how passionate and concerned they can be. Forgot about that. All the squad are going on a Swedish survival trip, Dortmund do it every year apparently. The squad get put together in groups of three, they get a canoe, fishing rod and a tent and must survive for 3 days.... Apparently it's good for intergrating new players, team building and team spirit. I hope DTS does some video diaries of this. Be just our luck that Well, Lynch and RVLP will get lost on this trip.
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Post by upthetown on Apr 24, 2016 10:26:12 GMT 1
Forgot about that. All the squad are going on a Swedish survival trip, Dortmund do it every year apparently. The squad get put together in groups of three, they get a canoe, fishing rod and a tent and must survive for 3 days.... Apparently it's good for intergrating new players, team building and team spirit. I hope DTS does some video diaries of this. Amazing idea. Until Scanz has to eat Hogg to survive in the wilderness.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 10:39:36 GMT 1
Warnock will get £1m bonus for keeping Rotherham up. Town looking at two goal keepers. Next seasons approach will be totally differsnt. Huws too expensive. Paterson is dependant on Forest as they are potentially being bought by a foreign club but town want to buy him. Dean said he told Powell the players weren't fit enough but Powell disagreed. Dean believes David Wagner cannot get anymore out of the current squad than what he has and believes he now needs to put his hand in his pocket to take it to the next level. Wagners contract will remain as it is, 12 month rolling. Winter offers a differant approach than clibbens, Nigel was good for stability. Players can leave for nothing if clubs in Germany get relegated. Michael Hefele told Dean he loves to fight and tackle. Hefele to Hoyle: "In Germany, you tackle and get yellow card. Here, you can fight" Hoyle: "We'll have him" Hudson to be kept if possible. Town looking to bring in more experience next season. Players can leave for nothing, how does that work? Seems a bit strange if you've signed someone for 10million in the summer and 9 months later find yourselves losing him for nothing because you got relegated. Doesn't sound a good way for keeping clubs sustainable
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Post by ben1987 on Apr 24, 2016 10:45:37 GMT 1
Warnock will get £1m bonus for keeping Rotherham up. Town looking at two goal keepers. Next seasons approach will be totally differsnt. Huws too expensive. Paterson is dependant on Forest as they are potentially being bought by a foreign club but town want to buy him. Dean said he told Powell the players weren't fit enough but Powell disagreed. Dean believes David Wagner cannot get anymore out of the current squad than what he has and believes he now needs to put his hand in his pocket to take it to the next level. Wagners contract will remain as it is, 12 month rolling. Winter offers a differant approach than clibbens, Nigel was good for stability. Players can leave for nothing if clubs in Germany get relegated. Michael Hefele told Dean he loves to fight and tackle. Hefele to Hoyle: "In Germany, you tackle and get yellow card. Here, you can fight" Hoyle: "We'll have him" Hudson to be kept if possible. Town looking to bring in more experience next season. Players can leave for nothing, how does that work? Seems a bit strange if you've signed someone for 10million in the summer and 9 months later find yourselves losing him for nothing because you got relegated. Doesn't sound a good way for keeping clubs sustainable I'm only posting what Dean said. I guess it's to stop clubs from throwing money around like its going out of fashion, forcing clubs to be sensible in the transfer mark. Maybe even keep the market prices down?
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Post by dugnet on Apr 24, 2016 10:47:41 GMT 1
It's refreshing to hear the club are taking a different approach to next season and going to be giving it a go, might stop us moaning bastards moaning, although DATM could be dull as hell next season if we are flying high and doing well, i'll be seizing on any mistake and any defeat and blowing out of all proportion just to get a good ruck going on here. Your honesty and humour are appreciated old bean but let's get one thing into perspective...I don't think the club are "going for it" more doing everything they can but within their means to keep improving. That, for me, is really encouraging but not the same as "going for it" which to me suggests throwing caution to the wind and spending recklessly. I make this point now so when we aren't top 6 the debate isn't starting from the wrong place. We are creating an identity, we need to bring in more experience, we will support DW, we will do as much as we can afford...but...there are teams with bigger pockets and ambitions which we have to compete against. No one should think that the perception of going for it guarantees anything other than people trying their best with what they have. I expect no more than this so we need to think on ad the weeks and months pass..
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 24, 2016 10:54:05 GMT 1
It's refreshing to hear the club are taking a different approach to next season and going to be giving it a go, might stop us moaning bastards moaning, although DATM could be dull as hell next season if we are flying high and doing well, i'll be seizing on any mistake and any defeat and blowing out of all proportion just to get a good ruck going on here. Your honesty and humour are appreciated old bean but let's get one thing into perspective...I don't think the club are "going for it" more doing everything they can but within their means to keep improving. That, for me, is really encouraging but not the same as "going for it" which to me suggests throwing caution to the wind and spending recklessly. I make this point now so when we aren't top 6 the debate isn't starting from the wrong place. We are creating an identity, we need to bring in more experience, we will support DW, we will do as much as we can afford...but...there are teams with bigger pockets and ambitions which we have to compete against. No one should think that the perception of going for it guarantees anything other than people trying their best with what they have. I expect no more than this so we need to think on ad the weeks and months pass.. I'd be happy with a top 10 finish, maybe half a sniff of the play offs and some decent cup action.
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Post by ben1987 on Apr 24, 2016 11:00:32 GMT 1
Your honesty and humour are appreciated old bean but let's get one thing into perspective...I don't think the club are "going for it" more doing everything they can but within their means to keep improving. That, for me, is really encouraging but not the same as "going for it" which to me suggests throwing caution to the wind and spending recklessly. I make this point now so when we aren't top 6 the debate isn't starting from the wrong place. We are creating an identity, we need to bring in more experience, we will support DW, we will do as much as we can afford...but...there are teams with bigger pockets and ambitions which we have to compete against. No one should think that the perception of going for it guarantees anything other than people trying their best with what they have. I expect no more than this so we need to think on ad the weeks and months pass.. I'd be happy with a top 10 finish, maybe half a sniff of the play offs and some decent cup action. Dean said yesterday that he felt that Wagner was getting the best out of the squad he had. They were as fit as they could be and playing as well as they could. Which in Deans opinion put pressure on himself to spend money on better quality players because that was the next stage. Based on that, it would suggest that Town are looking at bringing in quality rather than quantity. It also says to me that Dean fully supports Wagner and what he wants, I didn't get that feeling whilst Powell was here. To question the fitness of the players to Powell would suggest that Dean didn't quiet trust him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 11:03:30 GMT 1
Players can leave for nothing, how does that work? Seems a bit strange if you've signed someone for 10million in the summer and 9 months later find yourselves losing him for nothing because you got relegated. Doesn't sound a good way for keeping clubs sustainable I'm only posting what Dean said. I guess it's to stop clubs from throwing money around like its going out of fashion, forcing clubs to be sensible in the transfer mark. Maybe even keep the market prices down? Fair enough but doesn't sound right to me. You'd see far more German players coming in to the Premiership and Championship if that was the case with clubs taking advantage
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Post by ben1987 on Apr 24, 2016 11:07:54 GMT 1
I'm only posting what Dean said. I guess it's to stop clubs from throwing money around like its going out of fashion, forcing clubs to be sensible in the transfer mark. Maybe even keep the market prices down? Fair enough but doesn't sound right to me. You'd see far more German players coming in to the Premiership and Championship if that was the case with clubs taking advantage They don't have to leave, they just can for nothing if they so wish.
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Post by hartyhtfc on Apr 24, 2016 11:45:22 GMT 1
Love the idea of this Swedish training camp. Looked up Klopp doing it and found this: www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/21/jurgen-klopp-borussia-dortmund-champions-leagueKlopp has always been interested in ways of unifying his teams for, as he says: "You can speak about spirit – or you can live it." At Mainz, after he'd led the club to promotion in 2004, he settled on an unlikely pre-season trip. "We took the team to a lake in Sweden where there was no electricity. We went for five days without food. They had to do this [he whistles and, using an imaginary fishing rod, casts off]. The other coaches said: 'Don't you think it's better to train playing football?' No. I wanted the team to feel that they can survive everything. My assistant coach thinks I'm an idiot. He asks if we can train there. No. Can we run there? No. But we can swim and fish! "When I meet one of those players now, from our 'Special Forces', they tell me what happened in the first and last minute and every story in between. Each night in a fucking tent, lying on the roots, you don't forget that. We had to find the next island. The first one there had to make a fire and boil some water. The whole time it was raining. Only five hours it was not and then [Klopp slaps his cheek] … a mosquito! How can they live in Sweden? You see the sun and [he slaps his cheek again] you feel mosquitos! But it was brilliant. We were like Bravehearts. You can stick a knife in me here – no problem. We went to the Bundesliga and people could not believe how strong we were."
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Post by jqhtfc on Apr 24, 2016 11:45:24 GMT 1
FFP is a crock of shit designed at keeping clubs like ours from upsetting the bigger clubs. sure it may have been started with the best of intentions, but the bigger clubs and the FA will just use it to protect their 'cartel' of big clubs. You're dead right and why fine a team who probably can't pay..points deductions are the only deterrent to make this work. Of the meeting DH was up beat and clearly looking forward to next season already. It was also confirmed the players were going on a military style training camp in Sweden and possibly playing friendlies in Austria. It is however interesting that none of the more negative / cynical who post on here ever show up and ask questions...odd that, given how passionate and concerned they can be. A pre season trip to Austria sounds decent! Hopefully they would let fans know in good time so folk can get sorted and head over.
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Post by htfc1908 on Apr 24, 2016 12:02:49 GMT 1
If someone has to be eaten for the group to survive can Davidson get the short straw please, no point Nahki buying it he's only little, no meat on Paterson....
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Post by terrierZed on Apr 24, 2016 12:06:38 GMT 1
This sounds like some kind of Bear Grylls tv show! Maybe dean should get in touch with itv and make a few bob out of it ! ?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 24, 2016 12:20:04 GMT 1
If someone has to be eaten for the group to survive can Davidson get the short straw please, no point Nahki buying it he's only little, no meat on Paterson.... I know he's shite but not sure he deserves to be eaten to keep the rest of the squad going.
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Post by htfc1908 on Apr 24, 2016 12:26:13 GMT 1
If someone has to be eaten for the group to survive can Davidson get the short straw please, no point Nahki buying it he's only little, no meat on Paterson.... I know he's shite but not sure he deserves to be eaten to keep the rest of the squad going. Taste like chicken do Aussies and can you think of a better use?
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Post by dugnet on Apr 24, 2016 12:39:52 GMT 1
Your honesty and humour are appreciated old bean but let's get one thing into perspective...I don't think the club are "going for it" more doing everything they can but within their means to keep improving. That, for me, is really encouraging but not the same as "going for it" which to me suggests throwing caution to the wind and spending recklessly. I make this point now so when we aren't top 6 the debate isn't starting from the wrong place. We are creating an identity, we need to bring in more experience, we will support DW, we will do as much as we can afford...but...there are teams with bigger pockets and ambitions which we have to compete against. No one should think that the perception of going for it guarantees anything other than people trying their best with what they have. I expect no more than this so we need to think on ad the weeks and months pass.. I'd be happy with a top 10 finish, maybe half a sniff of the play offs and some decent cup action. My personal view is I'll wait to see the quality of the league and the additions to our squad. I wouldn't want to set a benchmark expectation this early. We know the players will be fit, we know the style they will expected to play what we don't know is if the players we sign will improve us (obviously it will be disappointing if they don't, but we don't know that yet) and we don't know how good the other teams in the league are. I will say if we don't see an improvement in our performance and a greater consistency in results then that will be disappointing, I just wouldn't want to but a line in the sand we have to reach, it doesn't work like that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 13:28:44 GMT 1
I'd be happy with a top 10 finish, maybe half a sniff of the play offs and some decent cup action. Dean said yesterday that he felt that Wagner was getting the best out of the squad he had. They were as fit as they could be and playing as well as they could. Which in Deans opinion put pressure on himself to spend money on better quality players because that was the next stage. Based on that, it would suggest that Town are looking at bringing in quality rather than quantity. It also says to me that Dean fully supports Wagner and what he wants, I didn't get that feeling whilst Powell was here. To question the fitness of the players to Powell would suggest that Dean didn't quiet trust him. I think that's the crux of it. He finally has a manager he trusts. All dean has asked for is for all or vast majority of players to be fit & performing to their potential. We've had years and years where that has not happened. Endless players on big wages doing fuck all for the cause. Now we've achieved that Dean is going to bring more quality in. Excellent logical approach. I think we've all felt this season that Wagner is getting the most out of the squad and looking forward to see what he can do with some fresh blood and good talent.
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Post by terrierpark on Apr 24, 2016 16:24:28 GMT 1
Firstly lets get a few things straight shall we
1. I am very happy with the onfield progress we have made under DW this season. Yes i was unhappy in January that we didnt strengthen i felt it was highly risky and i did feel that to tell the fans it would happen in January and then not to was taking the micky a bit given there were key areas that we needed to address. But i also conceed that i went OTT in how i vocalised that and i have apologised for it.
2. The onfield improvement which has not only lasted the course when so often it can be a flash in the pan , it as even seen some of our less reliable players like hudson and smith start to improve and show some consistency. It is obvious by how we have gone about things on the field even against the top teams we are not that far off and things bode well for the future.
3. The fact that we are signing players right now so they get a full pre season pleases me immensely. It is something that followers of my post will no doubt recall i have advocated we should be doing as the right and professional thing to do. However as usual when stating this i would be attacked with a million different reasons as to why this couldnt be the case. It comes down to desire and will! This next season DH wants to have a go, his mindest has changed. Of course it is vastly helped by the fact that there is money in the bank already.
4. Given that i am happy with how things have changed both onfield and off it, have renewed my ST etc, why would i attend such a meeting to kick off? All i said which seemed to irrationally anger people the other day was given our unusual circumstances of having money now, why sign a german lower league player for a central defender, rather than an existing Championship standard one? I know wages are often a stumbling block but the way people go on they make us sound as though we cant sign players from other championship teams as clearly we can. Our defence as been suspect for some time and fans have wanted a quality ctre back in for some time so i was surprised but also stated he's obviously DW's choice and of course could turn out to be a gem. All signings carry no guarantees no matter how much you pay but you can shorten the odds. I even equated the whole thing to suggesting i am sure the players we pay fees for are those who dont demand high wages. I asked why not reverse that and pay more wages for quality players that are on a free given our unique position of having the war chest. Why these suggestions caused so much uproar i have no idea its an approach that is sensible is it not?
Finally its also good to see that the players we are signing or at least have done so to date, will be able to be involved in the first team straight away. I.E. previously we have for want of a better way of putting it cried the poor tale then paid out fees and wages on players that have made little or no impact on the season at all. If we hadnt have done that would we have money saved from wages and fees etc to sign players we would like and know could do a job? Huws fir example.
So overall i am very pleased by the way the players have responded, the fottball we play and how DH has decided to do things differently this time around so why should i have gone to a meeting to kick off? Right now my glass is half full and i am genuinely excited about next season but that doesnt mean you cant ask questions or propose alternate strategies wrong or right.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 24, 2016 16:41:08 GMT 1
Thanks for clearing that up parkie .. all followers of your posts can now rest easy
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Post by wtd on Apr 24, 2016 16:53:09 GMT 1
You're dead right and why fine a team who probably can't pay..points deductions are the only deterrent to make this work. Of the meeting DH was up beat and clearly looking forward to next season already. It was also confirmed the players were going on a military style training camp in Sweden and possibly playing friendlies in Austria. It is however interesting that none of the more negative / cynical who post on here ever show up and ask questions...odd that, given how passionate and concerned they can be. Forgot about that. All the squad are going on a Swedish survival trip, Dortmund do it every year apparently. The squad get put together in groups of three, they get a canoe, fishing rod and a tent and must survive for 3 days....Apparently it's good for intergrating new players, team building and team spirit. I hope DTS does some video diaries of this. We should have a DATM survival trip and put us lot in random groups of three. Can you imagine... the horror, the horror?!!!!!
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Post by Headless Chicken on Apr 24, 2016 17:15:32 GMT 1
Forgot about that. All the squad are going on a Swedish survival trip, Dortmund do it every year apparently. The squad get put together in groups of three, they get a canoe, fishing rod and a tent and must survive for 3 days....Apparently it's good for intergrating new players, team building and team spirit. I hope DTS does some video diaries of this. We should have a DATM survival trip and put us lot in random groups of three. Can you imagine... the horror, the horror?!!!!! I don't fancy the success rate. Three days would pass before Parkie had stopped moaning about how much we spent on the canoe. If Galph2400 is a team leader it would take a week to understand his instructions. 3Pipes would likely just kill you.
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Post by wtd on Apr 24, 2016 17:18:12 GMT 1
We should have a DATM survival trip and put us lot in random groups of three. Can you imagine... the horror, the horror?!!!!! I don't fancy the success rate. Three days would pass before Parkie had stopped moaning about how much we spent on the canoe. If Galph2400 is a team leader it would take a week to understand his instructions. 3Pipes would likely just kill you. Good idea for a thread.
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Post by zoso on Apr 24, 2016 17:18:38 GMT 1
Firstly lets get a few things straight shall we 1. I am very happy with the onfield progress we have made under DW this season. Yes i was unhappy in January that we didnt strengthen i felt it was highly risky and i did feel that to tell the fans it would happen in January and then not to was taking the micky a bit given there were key areas that we needed to address. But i also conceed that i went OTT in how i vocalised that and i have apologised for it. 2. The onfield improvement which has not only lasted the course when so often it can be a flash in the pan , it as even seen some of our less reliable players like hudson and smith start to improve and show some consistency. It is obvious by how we have gone about things on the field even against the top teams we are not that far off and things bode well for the future. 3. The fact that we are signing players right now so they get a full pre season pleases me immensely. It is something that followers of my post will no doubt recall i have advocated we should be doing as the right and professional thing to do. However as usual when stating this i would be attacked with a million different reasons as to why this couldnt be the case. It comes down to desire and will! This next season DH wants to have a go, his mindest has changed. Of course it is vastly helped by the fact that there is money in the bank already. 4. Given that i am happy with how things have changed both onfield and off it, have renewed my ST etc, why would i attend such a meeting to kick off? All i said which seemed to irrationally anger people the other day was given our unusual circumstances of having money now, why sign a german lower league player for a central defender, rather than an existing Championship standard one? I know wages are often a stumbling block but the way people go on they make us sound as though we cant sign players from other championship teams as clearly we can. Our defence as been suspect for some time and fans have wanted a quality ctre back in for some time so i was surprised but also stated he's obviously DW's choice and of course could turn out to be a gem. All signings carry no guarantees no matter how much you pay but you can shorten the odds. I even equated the whole thing to suggesting i am sure the players we pay fees for are those who dont demand high wages. I asked why not reverse that and pay more wages for quality players that are on a free given our unique position of having the war chest. Why these suggestions caused so much uproar i have no idea its an approach that is sensible is it not? Finally its also good to see that the players we are signing or at least have done so to date, will be able to be involved in the first team straight away. I.E. previously we have for want of a better way of putting it cried the poor tale then paid out fees and wages on players that have made little or no impact on the season at all. If we hadnt have done that would we have money saved from wages and fees etc to sign players we would like and know could do a job? Huws fir example. So overall i am very pleased by the way the players have responded, the fottball we play and how DH has decided to do things differently this time around so why should i have gone to a meeting to kick off? Right now my glass is half full and i am genuinely excited about next season but that doesnt mean you cant ask questions or propose alternate strategies wrong or right. Oh good, terrierpark is happy, that's all right then....will someone let Dean know? Utt.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Apr 24, 2016 17:56:23 GMT 1
Sweden in June and July will be an eye opener, plenty of mozzies, the sun does not set with the added effect of no electricity, probably no mobile signal therefore no twitter, Facebook or more importantly no DATM!
I wonder if any players will split their dummies out.
Can see Christoph Büeller being in charge of discipline and players moral!
Speaking to one of the academy staff the other day and much was put on how much "sports science" and "player performance analysis" plays a part now within professional football but no amount of science can teach mental robustness, which this would appear to achieve. In the words of David Camoron (this is not a spelling mistake) we are in this together.
All this seems to point to a team next season, who can play football, have fantastic fitness and energy levels, a strong physical side who will dig deep and fight all the way, for every tackle, for every ball and continually push to score goals., with other teams fearing us. Plus all this coupled with fantastic support.
Hopefully the start of next season will be like Blitzkrieg
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Post by ritchie on Apr 24, 2016 18:10:00 GMT 1
Forgot about that. All the squad are going on a Swedish survival trip, Dortmund do it every year apparently. The squad get put together in groups of three, they get a canoe, fishing rod and a tent and must survive for 3 days....Apparently it's good for intergrating new players, team building and team spirit. I hope DTS does some video diaries of this. We should have a DATM survival trip and put us lot in random groups of three. Can you imagine... the horror, the horror?!!!!! Id choose to be with oti. He'd probably take you to the only house in a 500 mile radius, who he happens to know from the time he stumbled upon their home dragging a reindeer he'd killed and ended up staying with them for 2 weeks living on reindeer meat and lingonberry jam
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