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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Nov 18, 2017 18:43:40 GMT 1
Add him to the list. The tackle on Flo was a clear yellow card minimum. Not only don’t we get it, but we’re down to 10 men for the corner seconds later because of that stupid rule.
The foul by Mooy for their second is pulled up despite getting as much if not more of the ball as their cruncher on Flo.
Not the reason we lost but fuck me it’s hard to take when you’re getting up before 6am to drive 200 miles to watch a game of football.
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Post by Cosmo Kramer on Nov 18, 2017 18:55:37 GMT 1
We were doing alright first half, two poor decisions don’t go our way.
What is a concern is how our heads seem to go down whenever we concede first, noticed it at Liverpool too.
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Post by impact on Nov 18, 2017 18:58:15 GMT 1
Bournemouth fans having a go at the ref on twitter is quite funny. The officiating team got assists for their first 2 goals.
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Post by ACW on Nov 18, 2017 19:06:37 GMT 1
Bournemouth fans having a go at the ref on twitter is quite funny. The officiating team got assists for their first 2 goals. They even booed him off at half-time! God knows what would have happened if they'd got the decisions we had against us! |
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Post by impact on Nov 18, 2017 19:24:21 GMT 1
Bournemouth fans having a go at the ref on twitter is quite funny. The officiating team got assists for their first 2 goals. They even booed him off at half-time! God knows what would have happened if they'd got the decisions we had against us! The red card was a disgraceful decision apparently. The disgraceful part was that he wasn't going to give it before the 4th official intervened. |
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Post by jimafcb on Nov 18, 2017 19:37:36 GMT 1
Equally poor and inconsistent for both sides.
No quibbles from me for our yellow (and red) cards.
But the foul on Wilson when clear late in the 2nd half not even penalised and the ref also missed some clear bookable offences for both sides, then when he did penalise for e.g. a petulant late tackle on Pugh, no card given, and there was the missed foul by Daniels in the lead up to the corner that led to our first... I could go on, he was that bad.
Strange old game - just done the stats for our site and we had just 31% possession.
One of our faults in our first Prem season and again this season is not being clinical when on top. Seems you guys are having the same problem, as you made it very difficult for us all afternoon but couldnt get that final ball right.
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 18, 2017 19:37:38 GMT 1
Probably the worst referee since... since... since... well, Roger East!
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Nov 18, 2017 19:42:57 GMT 1
Equally poor and inconsistent for both sides. No quibbles from me for our yellow (and red) cards. But the foul on Wilson when clear late in the 2nd half not even penalised and the ref also missed some clear bookable offences for both sides, then when he did penalise for e.g. a petulant late tackle on Pugh, no card given, and there was the missed foul by Daniels in the lead up to the corner that led to our first... I could go on, he was that bad. Strange old game - just done the stats for our site and we had just 31% possession. One of our faults in our first Prem season and again this season is not being clinical when on top. Seems you guys are having the same problem, as you made it very difficult for us all afternoon but couldnt get that final ball right. Late in the second half? The game was well won by that point. We were fucked over at 0-0 when the first goal was critical and then we couldn’t get back in it. Schindler was done for his first yellow last week and then he got banned. Don’t think we’ve benefitted from a referees decision yet this season and it’s pretty hard to stomach. |
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Post by workshyfop on Nov 18, 2017 19:56:00 GMT 1
Yeah, true he was poor overall, but that's the difference - his poor decisions left us 2-0 down with a mountain to climb. I just hope when it gets to the end of the season it's not going to be a deciding factor. I'm still fuming about the two points we were robbed of against Leicester.
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Post by wigster on Nov 18, 2017 20:00:30 GMT 1
Can we please stop blaming referees every time we lose. I wasn't there today but by all accounts the officials made two errors - one offside missed that led to a goal, and one foul missed that led to a corner. At best it would have been 0-0 at half-time. From what I read/heard we weren't looking remotely like scoring before their first goal, and even less when they went down to 10 men.We lost 4-0 and I'd be very surprised if many supporters were surprised we lost/didn't get a draw once the first went in. Our away stats since the first match of the season are very very concerning. I've heard Wagner's post-match interview and he wouldn't discuss the second half but just blamed the ref for the scoreline. Hopefully he was just putting on a brave face for the press as he's normally excellent after matches, win or lose.
Without rehearsing the old arguments many of us accept that we're poor in midfield if Mooy isn't up for it, for whatever reason, and that the likes of Kachunga and VLP produce very little end product. Add to that we are weak at full-back, by Premiership standards, and have very few natural goalscorers in the team and we can see why we may struggle,
On the positive side we'll have Schindler back next week and hopefully Palmer might eventually get, and stay, fit. Equally I'm an Ince fan and hopefully once he gets one goal, more will follow. It would help if he was played in his best position, rather than moved around to accommodate our lesser attackers.
Equally positively I hope Dean Hoyle was bluffing a bit when he said he couldn't see us spending in January, if we were struggling. The thought of relying on the Malones, Quaners and "players who can play as strikers if necessary" is a tad worrying. We've seen today how thin our present squad is.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Nov 18, 2017 20:10:28 GMT 1
Can we please stop blaming referees every time we lose. I wasn't there today but by all accounts the officials made two errors - one offside missed that led to a goal, and one foul missed that led to a corner. At best it would have been 0-0 at half-time. From what I read/heard we weren't looking remotely like scoring before their first goal, and even less when they went down to 10 men.We lost 4-0 and I'd be very surprised if many supporters were surprised we lost/didn't get a draw once the first went in. Our away stats since the first match of the season are very very concerning. I've heard Wagner's post-match interview and he wouldn't discuss the second half but just blamed the ref for the scoreline. Hopefully he was just putting on a brave face for the press as he's normally excellent after matches, win or lose. Without rehearsing the old arguments many of us accept that we're poor in midfield if Mooy isn't up for it, for whatever reason, and that the likes of Kachunga and VLP produce very little end product. Add to that we are weak at full-back, by Premiership standards, and have very few natural goalscorers in the team and we can see why we may struggle, On the positive side we'll have Schindler back next week and hopefully Palmer might eventually get, and stay, fit. Equally I'm an Ince fan and hopefully once he gets one goal, more will follow. It would help if he was played in his best position, rather than moved around to accommodate our lesser attackers. Equally positively I hope Dean Hoyle was bluffing a bit when he said he couldn't see us spending in January, if we were struggling. The thought of relying on the Malones, Quaners and "players who can play as strikers if necessary" is a tad worrying. We've seen today how thin our present squad is. Hmmmm ... He certainly said that we weren't creative enough in the second half and was critical of the defending leading to the two Bournemouth goals. At least, I'm sure that's what he said on RL. |
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Post by terryya on Nov 18, 2017 20:51:17 GMT 1
Can we please stop blaming referees every time we lose. I wasn't there today but by all accounts the officials made two errors - one offside missed that led to a goal, and one foul missed that led to a corner. At best it would have been 0-0 at half-time. From what I read/heard we weren't looking remotely like scoring before their first goal, and even less when they went down to 10 men.We lost 4-0 and I'd be very surprised if many supporters were surprised we lost/didn't get a draw once the first went in. Our away stats since the first match of the season are very very concerning. I've heard Wagner's post-match interview and he wouldn't discuss the second half but just blamed the ref for the scoreline. Hopefully he was just putting on a brave face for the press as he's normally excellent after matches, win or lose. Without rehearsing the old arguments many of us accept that we're poor in midfield if Mooy isn't up for it, for whatever reason, and that the likes of Kachunga and VLP produce very little end product. Add to that we are weak at full-back, by Premiership standards, and have very few natural goalscorers in the team and we can see why we may struggle, On the positive side we'll have Schindler back next week and hopefully Palmer might eventually get, and stay, fit. Equally I'm an Ince fan and hopefully once he gets one goal, more will follow. It would help if he was played in his best position, rather than moved around to accommodate our lesser attackers. Equally positively I hope Dean Hoyle was bluffing a bit when he said he couldn't see us spending in January, if we were struggling. The thought of relying on the Malones, Quaners and "players who can play as strikers if necessary" is a tad worrying. We've seen today how thin our present squad is. You're underestimating the massive difference the first mistake made. Until that point Town were all over Bournemouth, winning the ball back,getting at their back four and causing them problems. The home fans were not happy and starting to get on the players backs. One shocking decision later and the whole mood has changed. Foul was a clear yellow and left us defending the corner with only 10 men. A few minutes later another poor decision and we're 2 down. The whole game swung on that one decision. |
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Post by Cosmo Kramer on Nov 18, 2017 21:22:12 GMT 1
Can we please stop blaming referees every time we lose. I wasn't there today but by all accounts the officials made two errors - one offside missed that led to a goal, and one foul missed that led to a corner. At best it would have been 0-0 at half-time. From what I read/heard we weren't looking remotely like scoring before their first goal, and even less when they went down to 10 men.We lost 4-0 and I'd be very surprised if many supporters were surprised we lost/didn't get a draw once the first went in. Our away stats since the first match of the season are very very concerning. I've heard Wagner's post-match interview and he wouldn't discuss the second half but just blamed the ref for the scoreline. Hopefully he was just putting on a brave face for the press as he's normally excellent after matches, win or lose. Without rehearsing the old arguments many of us accept that we're poor in midfield if Mooy isn't up for it, for whatever reason, and that the likes of Kachunga and VLP produce very little end product. Add to that we are weak at full-back, by Premiership standards, and have very few natural goalscorers in the team and we can see why we may struggle, On the positive side we'll have Schindler back next week and hopefully Palmer might eventually get, and stay, fit. Equally I'm an Ince fan and hopefully once he gets one goal, more will follow. It would help if he was played in his best position, rather than moved around to accommodate our lesser attackers. Equally positively I hope Dean Hoyle was bluffing a bit when he said he couldn't see us spending in January, if we were struggling. The thought of relying on the Malones, Quaners and "players who can play as strikers if necessary" is a tad worrying. We've seen today how thin our present squad is. You're underestimating the massive difference the first mistake made. Until that point Town were all over Bournemouth, winning the ball back,getting at their back four and causing them problems. The home fans were not happy and starting to get on the players backs. One shocking decision later and the whole mood has changed. Foul was a clear yellow and left us defending the corner with only 10 men. A few minutes later another poor decision and we're 2 down. The whole game swung on that one decision. Spot on |
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Post by jim59 on Nov 18, 2017 21:44:19 GMT 1
Lack of fight in this team first goal against then what? Results don't lie.
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Post by jim59 on Nov 18, 2017 21:51:03 GMT 1
Was going to go on to say we need a real character maybe enforcer in midfield we have good footballers but maybe not a boss! This league has great quality we need to combat this with work and aggression when needed. I suspect we need a bit more strength of character in the middle.
Cue dogs abuse.
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 18, 2017 21:57:33 GMT 1
You're underestimating the massive difference the first mistake made. Until that point Town were all over Bournemouth, winning the ball back,getting at their back four and causing them problems. The home fans were not happy and starting to get on the players backs. One shocking decision later and the whole mood has changed. Foul was a clear yellow and left us defending the corner with only 10 men. A few minutes later another poor decision and we're 2 down. The whole game swung on that one decision. Spot on I’m not exaggerating when I say if that’s a town player making that challenge the ref would have had his red card out immediately. Think DW made a mistake changing our formation after the red card. We had looked dangerous and could and probably should have had at least two goals from malone and kacha We then got suckered on the break. Second half we were far too slow in possession yet again. Must start passing with more tempo in the attacking third |
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Post by Cosmo Kramer on Nov 18, 2017 22:14:06 GMT 1
I’m not exaggerating when I say if that’s a town player making that challenge the ref would have had his red card out immediately. Think DW made a mistake changing our formation after the red card. We had looked dangerous and could and probably should have had at least two goals from malone and kacha We then got suckered on the break. Second half we were far too slow in possession yet again. Must start passing with more tempo in the attacking third Definitely agree on the formation change. We were playing well, the system wasn’t the reason we were trailing. I’d have thought taking Kache off, Ince out wide, Depoitre a little deeper with Mounie coming on would have worked well. But we had too many forward players on and didn’t look capapble of putting a move together. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 22:31:21 GMT 1
The system change is irrelevant. Bournemouth set up far deeper and more compact in the second half so even if we had come out with the same setup it would have been extremely difficult to break them down. There was never going to be the same space in attacking areas as we enjoyed early doors
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Post by brianmcbrain on Nov 18, 2017 22:38:13 GMT 1
lee probert was the the ref when we played preston last season
penalty that collin netted the rebound and probert was a hero
refs make mistakes , players make mistakes
he wasn't the reason we lost today
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Post by htfcfcfc on Nov 18, 2017 23:57:01 GMT 1
Deliberate swinging arm at Mooy early in second half also From Wilson I think. Gave the free kick but no card
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 0:02:30 GMT 1
Deliberate swinging arm at Mooy early in second half also From Wilson I think. Gave the free kick but no card Nah, that was a nothing incident. Free kick only was the right call |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 0:14:57 GMT 1
Lack of fight in this team first goal against then what? Results don't lie. 2 referee gifts changed the game. Take off a Bournemouth player and we then have to kick through a bus across goal. DW went offensive as an All or nothing. We got caught out twice with only 1 x CB and 1 x CM. Chalk it down, Move on. P.s. we’re Still 10th in the table. |
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Post by wigster on Nov 19, 2017 0:26:55 GMT 1
You're underestimating the massive difference the first mistake made. Until that point Town were all over Bournemouth, winning the ball back,getting at their back four and causing them problems. The home fans were not happy and starting to get on the players backs. One shocking decision later and the whole mood has changed. Foul was a clear yellow and left us defending the corner with only 10 men. A few minutes later another poor decision and we're 2 down. The whole game swung on that one decision. Spot on But isn't that the point Cosmo ? In one way the whole game DID swing on that decision as it meant we went one behind, and that unfortunately means we lose the match with this season's away form. That decision "only" gave a corner and the man who scored was being marked by Mooy and unfortunately bullied him and was far more determined to get to the ball - watch the replay. I say "only" gave away a corner because at this level it's criminal to give a header away to what was a bog-standard corner - I might be wrong but I think Firmino headed one in from a corner when Mooy was supposed to be marking him in the last away match. I'm not getting at Mooy as he's been one of our better players this season, but it shows how thin our squad is when we have to play him 24 hours after he's flown in from a vital match in Australia. I think we've all expected some heavy defeats this season - totally understandably - but I don't see why Bournemouth should have been one of them. It's not going into meltdown or a knee-jerk reaction to say that our away performances have been poor this season - on the whole they have eg West Ham,Liverpool, Swansea. Regardless of our defending, or the reffing, we haven't looked remotely like scoring in most away matches this season. |
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Post by softboy on Nov 19, 2017 0:28:03 GMT 1
1st goal we should have at a feee kick but 2nd goal we played the offside perfectly to make sure the striker was offside
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Post by softboy on Nov 19, 2017 0:29:32 GMT 1
Got to give the defence credit for 2nd goal - they stepped forward just to make sure he was offside
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Post by capitalterrier on Nov 19, 2017 0:57:54 GMT 1
Got to give the defence credit for 2nd goal - they stepped forward just to make sure he was offside We did our job. The officials didnt do theirs. |
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Post by ACW on Nov 19, 2017 2:29:10 GMT 1
The bottom line for me with these refs is that if the offences were committed by Town players, we'd be penalised. Over a season you would expect the good/bad decisions to even out, but that isn't happening, and I don't expect it to. Any soft and 50/50 decisions will always go against us - those that actually matter and affect the result, anyway.
Take the Leicester game for example - if Leicester score the second goal we score, it would have been allowed. We all know that, irrespective of whether the goal scorer is off-side by a cock hair or not. Likewise, if the penalty incident for them is at the other end, do any of us think it would be given in our favour? Would it bollox.
I am not trying to gloss over our weaknesses and deficiencies by any means - we all know what they are - but, bloody hell, when are we going to get a fair crack of the whip from the officials? I don't expect preferential treatment, but a bit of fairness wouldn't go amiss. Win, lose or draw, the officiating Town experience is generally poor. And its costing us points too. Yes, we shouldn't just blame the officials, but the Premier League is hard enough without having to battle those officiating the games as well.
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Post by impact on Nov 19, 2017 5:01:55 GMT 1
Leicester onside goal not given
Penalty against Spurs not given
Fer 2nd yellow now given
Red card not given at swansea for foul on Ince as last man
Schindler 1st yellow a joke v WBA
McLean no red
Hegazi no 2nd yellow
Foul not given leaving us with 10 men for a corner v Bournemouth
Offside goal given for Bournemouth
We're getting absolutely nothing from the officials at the moment. The only thing that has really gone our way was a possible 2nd yellow for Smith against Palace.
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Post by space hardware on Nov 19, 2017 9:30:20 GMT 1
Leicester onside goal not given Penalty against Spurs not given Fer 2nd yellow now given Red card not given at swansea for foul on Ince as last man Schindler 1st yellow a joke v WBA McLean no red Hegazi no 2nd yellow Foul not given leaving us with 10 men for a corner v Bournemouth Offside goal given for Bournemouth We're getting absolutely nothing from the officials at the moment. The only thing that has really gone our way was a possible 2nd yellow for Smith against Palace. Smith left one on Martial at home to Man Utd too. I also thought they could have had an early penalty in that game too, might have been Kachunga on Herrera. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Nov 19, 2017 9:31:59 GMT 1
Deliberate swinging arm at Mooy early in second half also From Wilson I think. Gave the free kick but no card Nah, that was a nothing incident. Free kick only was the right call Disagree. Looked over the shoulder and swung an arm |
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