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Post by lochnessterrier on Apr 8, 2018 9:16:23 GMT 1
This guy is just not doing enough for me. I thought we'd signed a real matchwinner but it just doesn't happen. Looks like a good Championship player and one way or another I think that's where he will be next season, hopefully not with us.
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Post by capitalterrier on Apr 8, 2018 9:18:14 GMT 1
Don't worry, either he'll be a championship match winner for us next season or someone like Norwich will come in offering silly money for him for us to recoup the money paid.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 8, 2018 9:24:56 GMT 1
Deffo not a Prem player, no end product at all and never looks like scoring.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 8, 2018 9:29:36 GMT 1
Five HUGE games to go . The focus should be trying to get us over the line rather than single out individuals for threads At this stage of the season . (But yeah he has been a disappointment )
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Post by isitjustme on Apr 8, 2018 9:33:29 GMT 1
The epitome of a player too good for Championship, but not good enough for Premiership. If he recognises this, he could end his career with the most promotions to the PL with the most various clubs. And will retire in a very comfortable financial position. Just needs his dad to be honest with him. "Son, you are a good player, but you're not the governor, and never will be". If we go down, he'll be good for us next season. If we don't, he should be good for another Championship team instead.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 9:36:40 GMT 1
The epitome of a player too good for Championship, but not good enough for Premiership. If he recognises this, he could end his career with the most promotions to the PL with the most various clubs. And will retire in a very comfortable financial position. Just needs his dad to be honest with him. "Son, you are a good player, but you're not the governor, and never will be". If we go down, he'll be good for us next season. If we don't, he should be good for another Championship team instead. Or he could go to Celtic and be a quality player up there like many other similar players do to massage their ego
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 8, 2018 9:42:50 GMT 1
The epitome of a player too good for Championship, but not good enough for Premiership. If he recognises this, he could end his career with the most promotions to the PL with the most various clubs. And will retire in a very comfortable financial position. Just needs his dad to be honest with him. "Son, you are a good player, but you're not the governor, and never will be". If we go down, he'll be good for us next season. If we don't, he should be good for another Championship team instead. You may well be right, but I'd be giving him until Christmas next year to see if he can re-start a season with the confidence he's lost this season and if his apparent loss of pace is temporary (and perhaps related to that loss of confidence) or permanent.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 8, 2018 9:43:46 GMT 1
He will end up at Leeds.
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 8, 2018 9:50:10 GMT 1
Ince. It is likely that "not making it" in the PL before is weighing too much on his mind. He is also going through a crisis of confidence at the moment, as all players do sometime in their careers. He has been an excellent player in the Championship and there is no reason why he can't do it in the PL. It is up to him to believe that he can and it's really up to the coaching set up to guide him to this.
You just don't discard players because they are going through a crisis of confidence - that is the worst management technique ever.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Apr 8, 2018 9:52:33 GMT 1
Five HUGE games to go . The focus should be trying to get us over the line rather than single out individuals for threads At this stage of the season . (But yeah he has been a disappointment ) It’s as if the usual scapegoat scored yesterday. Let’s have a month off slagging players off.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 9:55:35 GMT 1
Ince. It is likely that "not making it" in the PL before is weighing too much on his mind. He is also going through a crisis of confidence at the moment, as all players do sometime in their careers. He has been an excellent player in the Championship and there is no reason why he can't do it in the PL. It is up to him to believe that he can and It's really up to the coaching set up to guide him through this. You just don't discard players because they are going through a crisis of confidence - that is the worst management technique ever. There is a reason why he can't do it in the Premier League and it's been obvious since the first few weeks when I mentioned it and got shot down. He is very slow, not just physically but in his reaction time to loose balls. So often he ends up second to a ball that he was favourite to win
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Post by kennyk2 on Apr 8, 2018 9:59:58 GMT 1
Ince. It is likely that "not making it" in the PL before is weighing too much on his mind. He is also going through a crisis of confidence at the moment, as all players do sometime in their careers. He has been an excellent player in the Championship and there is no reason why he can't do it in the PL. It is up to him to believe that he can and It's really up to the coaching set up to guide him through this. You just don't discard players because they are going through a crisis of confidence - that is the worst management technique ever. There is a reason why he can't do it in the Premier League and it's been obvious since the first few weeks when I mentioned it and got shot down. He is very slow, not just physically but in his reaction time to loose balls. So often he ends up second to a ball that he was favourite to winI still think that this is a confidence issue. If we stay up, he will hopefully get a second chance and produce better performances next year. I trust in the coaching staff's judgement on this one.
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Post by Larry David on Apr 8, 2018 10:01:36 GMT 1
He is so bloody soft too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 10:03:45 GMT 1
For all his dads championing of him i think even he realises he's not good enough. 2 goals, a deflected effort 1 against Birmingham reserves and no assists this season shows you all you need to know when Quack Quack has contributed more assists in one game than he has all season
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 10:04:36 GMT 1
There is a reason why he can't do it in the Premier League and it's been obvious since the first few weeks when I mentioned it and got shot down. He is very slow, not just physically but in his reaction time to loose balls. So often he ends up second to a ball that he was favourite to winI still think that this is a confidence issue. If we stay up, he will hopefully get a second chance and produce better performances next year. I trust in the coaching staff's judgement on this one. You can fly in Barcelona's coaching staff, they won't be able to coach pace in to him He'd be better off playing behind the striker as atleast you don't expect him to be beating players down the outside. But we have Pritchard to play there now. It'd be interesting to see what his crossing stats are because you rarely see him putting any crosses in which is a bit unusual for a winger especially in our system which is built around creating opportunities for the wide men to get balls in the box
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Post by E4b on Apr 8, 2018 10:05:57 GMT 1
There is a reason why he can't do it in the Premier League and it's been obvious since the first few weeks when I mentioned it and got shot down. He is very slow, not just physically but in his reaction time to loose balls. So often he ends up second to a ball that he was favourite to winI still think that this is a confidence issue. If we stay up, he will hopefully get a second chance and produce better performances next year. I trust in the coaching staff's judgement on this one. Crikey, a sensible post on DATM at last!
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Post by E4b on Apr 8, 2018 10:08:28 GMT 1
For all his dads championing of him i think even he realises he's not good enough. 2 goals, a deflected effort 1 against Birmingham reserves and no assists this season shows you all you need to know when Quack Quack has contributed more assists in one game than he has all season But Quack Quack does not possess the ability to score a goal himself, often tripping over his own feet when a chance comes his way. Does remind me of Boothy with his heading ability though!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 10:10:06 GMT 1
For all his dads championing of him i think even he realises he's not good enough. 2 goals, a deflected effort 1 against Birmingham reserves and no assists this season shows you all you need to know when Quack Quack has contributed more assists in one game than he has all season But Quack Quack does not possess the ability to score a goal himself, often tripping over his own feet when a chance comes his way. Does remind me of Boothy with his heading ability though! I think they're are both poor
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 10:10:07 GMT 1
For all his dads championing of him i think even he realises he's not good enough. 2 goals, a deflected effort 1 against Birmingham reserves and no assists this season shows you all you need to know when Quack Quack has contributed more assists in one game than he has all season But Quack Quack does not possess the ability to score a goal himself, often tripping over his own feet when a chance comes his way. Does remind me of Boothy with his heading ability though! Keep criticising Quaner all you like but the simple fact is that he has directly contributed far more to us maybe staying up than Ince has
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 8, 2018 10:13:08 GMT 1
But Quack Quack does not possess the ability to score a goal himself, often tripping over his own feet when a chance comes his way. Does remind me of Boothy with his heading ability though! Keep criticising Quaner all you like but the simple fact is that he has directly contributed far more to us maybe staying up than Ince has That’s absolutely true . IF we stay up though it may be that neither is in our first team next season
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Post by E4b on Apr 8, 2018 10:20:02 GMT 1
But Quack Quack does not possess the ability to score a goal himself, often tripping over his own feet when a chance comes his way. Does remind me of Boothy with his heading ability though! Keep criticising Quaner all you like but the simple fact is that he has directly contributed far more to us maybe staying up than Ince has No, he hasn’t.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Apr 8, 2018 10:24:33 GMT 1
Five HUGE games to go . The focus should be trying to get us over the line rather than single out individuals for threads At this stage of the season . (But yeah he has been a disappointment ) It’s as if the usual scapegoat scored yesterday. Let’s have a month off slagging players off. I wasn't slagging anybody off, I was simply suggesting that if we survive this season we need better players to take us forward. If we don't survive I'd be happy for Tom Ince to stay and help us in another promotion push.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 8, 2018 10:30:38 GMT 1
Keep criticising Quaner all you like but the simple fact is that he has directly contributed far more to us maybe staying up than Ince has No, he hasn’t. Serious question . How many games have you actually been to ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 10:33:06 GMT 1
Serious question . How many games have you actually been to ? He hasn't attended a game since Danny Ward left
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 8, 2018 10:37:18 GMT 1
Serious question . How many games have you actually been to ? He hasn't attended a game since Danny Ward left Not since Johnny Logan won Eurovision has so much been written about someone so bang average
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Apr 8, 2018 11:05:02 GMT 1
Ince. It is likely that "not making it" in the PL before is weighing too much on his mind. He is also going through a crisis of confidence at the moment, as all players do sometime in their careers. He has been an excellent player in the Championship and there is no reason why he can't do it in the PL. It is up to him to believe that he can and it's really up to the coaching set up to guide him to this. You just don't discard players because they are going through a crisis of confidence - that is the worst management technique ever. He started the season well, got himself into plenty of goalscoring positions but, despite him having a great strike on him, he just didn't put them away and his confidence has slowly drained away throughout the season. I do agree with Offtopic that he does lack that yard of pace - and that leaves him relying on his touch and trickery alone to beat people - something he has in abundance. The first thing to disappear when you lose confidence is your touch and trickery and so he's in a bit of a downward spiral at this stage, not wanting the ball, not doing anything with it when he gets it. He's not shit - not by a long way - but he's not going to be the one to push us over the line this season, that's for sure. As for next season - I think the Premier League will always be a bit of a struggle for Ince yet he will always look one of the better players in the Championship. Enigma?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 11:05:48 GMT 1
The epitome of a player too good for Championship, but not good enough for Premiership. If he recognises this, he could end his career with the most promotions to the PL with the most various clubs. And will retire in a very comfortable financial position. Just needs his dad to be honest with him. "Son, you are a good player, but you're not the governor, and never will be". If we go down, he'll be good for us next season. If we don't, he should be good for another Championship team instead. You may well be right, but I'd be giving him until Christmas next year to see if he can re-start a season with the confidence he's lost this season and if his apparent loss of pace is temporary (and perhaps related to that loss of confidence) or permanent. Well said, I would too. I refuse to accept his guy can’t score goals at this level because the goals aren’t any smaller and he’s had or made the chances this year. Something psychological perhaps? Agree his confidence is gone now and a reset is required. I still believe he could be sat on 7 or 8 + goals. You can’t fault his endeavour. Second season he could do better as I suspect will moonie.
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Post by wigster on Apr 8, 2018 11:06:13 GMT 1
I was delighted when he signed as he used to terrorise us whenever we played against him and he started off here, pre-season, excellently. To be fair to him he was then played in different positions, often out of position, and his performances certainly went downhill. In recent months, when he has played, he has rarely been involved much in matches - I watched yesterday's match and he rarely got the type of service or passes that VLP did on the other wing - and when he does get the ball, after long periods of not seeing it, he doesn't seem to have the confidence to succeed with it.
Again, when he first came, his finishing was good - as it has been throughout his career. In terms of goalscoring records he puts the VLPS, Quaners to shame yet now he can't buy a goal. I've no idea what would help him - getting him more involved, boosting his confidence, a kick up the ass,a spell in the non-existent reserves, whatever - but we need him firing on all cylinders. I know Quaner is a tryer (if Ince had missed that chance in the last minute the board would have been furious) but we need more than that to get us to safety. It amuses me when people say that Ince is "only" a Championship player when we have certain other players who've never even done it in the Championship.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2018 11:12:44 GMT 1
You may well be right, but I'd be giving him until Christmas next year to see if he can re-start a season with the confidence he's lost this season and if his apparent loss of pace is temporary (and perhaps related to that loss of confidence) or permanent. Well said, I would too. I refuse to accept his guy can’t score goals at this level because the goals aren’t any smaller and he’s had or made the chances this year. Something psychological perhaps? Agree his confidence is gone now and a reset is required. I still believe he could be sat on 7 or 8 + goals. You can’t fault his endeavour. Second season he could do better as I suspect will moonie. The goalkeepers are better than in the Championship The defenders are bigger, strong, quicker than in the Championship
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Post by El Mel on Apr 8, 2018 11:17:54 GMT 1
Joe Lolley was better.
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