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Post by arroloui on Sept 22, 2018 17:29:24 GMT 1
Look at the bottom of the table. Us and Cardiff minus 11 after 6 games.. the writings on the wall for the by far the worst 2 teams in the premier league this season... If anyone thinks different, I feel sorry for them .
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Post by Giggity on Sept 22, 2018 17:31:08 GMT 1
Diakhaby had a stinker today. Don't think he did anything right however it is almost an impossible task for a winger to look good in such a defensive and shackled team.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 22, 2018 17:43:22 GMT 1
How shit must mbenza be if diakhaby the preferred pick.
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Post by Town Duppy on Sept 22, 2018 17:50:25 GMT 1
How shit must mbenza be if diakhaby the preferred pick. Same bloke.
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Post by royrace on Sept 22, 2018 20:13:59 GMT 1
Said it before.. Our closed season signings are a absolute disgrace. If last season's crap are getting a start before them it just shows how bad we did in the window. That's why we're going down. I could accept it but it's criminal we're throwing away our premier league dream due to rank bad stupidity and incompetence. It's a fucking embarrassment and disgrace we start this season with a weaker squad than last, absolutely unforgivable. Not only have we paid good money for a streaming pile of shit, we've also let two of our better players leave. Does anyone still think we just need to wait for these two to magically turn into premier league footballers or has it sunk in yet. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 22, 2018 20:19:17 GMT 1
Said it before.. Our closed season signings are a absolute disgrace. If last season's crap are getting a start before them it just shows how bad we did in the window. That's why we're going down. I could accept it but it's criminal we're throwing away our premier league dream due to rank bad stupidity and incompetence. It's a fucking embarrassment and disgrace we start this season with a weaker squad than last, absolutely unforgivable. Not only have we paid good money for a streaming pile of shit, we've also let two of our better players leave. Does anyone still think we just need to wait for these two to magically turn into premier league footballers or has it sunk in yet. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Agreed, we've had a bloody mare in the signings department, if pushed on it, the club would probably admit that too. Hoyle said give the new players chance, sorry but we don't have that luxury, they need to be ready to hit the ground running.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 20:36:49 GMT 1
We seem to have bought 2 genuinely quick wingers but want to use them as inside forwards with the full backs in our back 5 over lapping them. Probably completely alien to them and it’s knocked them off their game.
Ironically, Ince was made for this role, cutting in on his left foot with someone else providing the width and pace. Early days but it’s looking a bit like square pegs in round holes.
We need to give our flair players freedom, as it stands they are so constrained by the system they look clueless.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 22, 2018 20:57:13 GMT 1
Grahame swans footwork on strictly come dancing tonight has been better than Diakhabys all season
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Post by herefordaway on Sept 22, 2018 21:15:39 GMT 1
I’ve not seen enough of them but it’s alarming that diakhaby has been here 3 months and Mbenza two months and Wagner doesn’t trust either of them to start today Diakhaby is a €10m player and Mbenza valued at €15m - they should be well ahead of VLP and Kachunga It’s pretty worrying How such players get valued at these levels is staggering... How do we watch them and pay that for diakhaby FFs. Van la parra looks like a world beater compared to diakhaby... Vlp didn't look a world beater in any sense today,shocking and worst player on the pitch.
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Post by terriers2000 on Sept 22, 2018 23:21:38 GMT 1
Play them next Saturday then have pace and quality, kackunga and van la parra lacking quality
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Post by woodyaus on Sept 22, 2018 23:35:21 GMT 1
There's a super player hiding inside Diakhaby but he looks completely lost out there right now. It's a big change from playing on a team dominating and expecting to win each week to finding the right moments in a defensive team. I reckon in 5 years he'll be playing at a really big club. The way he can move a player with his body is all class and he's had a couple of wow touches even in his bad games. But how to get something important out of him this year is going to be a huge test for DW.
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Post by muffinman on Sept 23, 2018 1:55:54 GMT 1
Stick one of em on with VLP or get both on the pitch in a 4231. Get em running behind the lines with Mooy and Billing spraying long passes to them.
Running towards goal, into space and chasing balls is what they're about. We aren't playing to their strengths in favour of being a more cohesive defensive unit, hence why Kach is starting ahead of them.
It's clear that trying to mould them into defenders first, attacking wingers second isn't going to work with Diakhaby unfortunately but I still have faith that if we play more to his strengths that he'll be a useful asset this season.
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Post by royrace on Sept 23, 2018 7:44:14 GMT 1
Stick one of em on with VLP or get both on the pitch in a 4231. Get em running behind the lines with Mooy and Billing spraying long passes to them. Running towards goal, into space and chasing balls is what they're about. We aren't playing to their strengths in favour of being a more cohesive defensive unit, hence why Kach is starting ahead of them. It's clear that trying to mould them into defenders first, attacking wingers second isn't going to work with Diakhaby unfortunately but I still have faith that if we play more to his strengths that he'll be a useful asset this season. Begs the question why the hell did we buy them doesn't it if we're going to play three at the back and wing backs. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by kes on Sept 23, 2018 10:15:39 GMT 1
20 million quid is currently the going rate for a top Championship player.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 23, 2018 10:19:41 GMT 1
20 million quid is currently the going rate for a top Championship player. Even in today’s market I do think €10m should be ample to get a player in who is better than kachunga and vlp ... who are probably worth about £6m and £4m in today’s crazy prices At present the new lads are still behind them in the pecking order
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Post by frankslegs on Sept 23, 2018 10:31:36 GMT 1
Stick one of em on with VLP or get both on the pitch in a 4231. Get em running behind the lines with Mooy and Billing spraying long passes to them. Running towards goal, into space and chasing balls is what they're about. We aren't playing to their strengths in favour of being a more cohesive defensive unit, hence why Kach is starting ahead of them. It's clear that trying to mould them into defenders first, attacking wingers second isn't going to work with Diakhaby unfortunately but I still have faith that if we play more to his strengths that he'll be a useful asset this season. Begs the question why the hell did we buy them doesn't it if we're going to play three at the back and wing backs. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by frankslegs on Sept 23, 2018 10:34:48 GMT 1
Now that is spot on Non of my chums got the frantic look for wing men given DW favoured system at the END of last season.Getting Kongolo and Pritchard in the January window kept us up .We can only hope for something similar this time to give us a jolt.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 10:41:33 GMT 1
20 million quid is currently the going rate for a top Championship player. Even in today’s market I do think €10m should be ample to get a player in who is better than kachunga and vlp ... who are probably worth about £6m and £4m in today’s crazy prices At present the new lads are still behind them in the pecking order We have had 3 goes at getting a better player than VLP for aroind the £10 million mark and don't look to have succeeded with any of them. Either we are terrible at signing wingers or his value in this matket is a lot higher than you think.
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Post by ruggedivy on Sept 23, 2018 10:45:14 GMT 1
Even in today’s market I do think €10m should be ample to get a player in who is better than kachunga and vlp ... who are probably worth about £6m and £4m in today’s crazy prices At present the new lads are still behind them in the pecking order We have had 3 goes at getting a better player than VLP for aroind the £10 million mark and don't look to have succeeded with any of them. Either we are terrible at signing wingers or his value in this matket is a lot higher than you think. Brighton have spent far more than £10mil on several players in the last two windows and are still starting the same front 3 they had in the Championship. It’s a difficult department to get right when you are likely to lose most games!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 10:47:28 GMT 1
We have had 3 goes at getting a better player than VLP for aroind the £10 million mark and don't look to have succeeded with any of them. Either we are terrible at signing wingers or his value in this matket is a lot higher than you think. Brighton have spent far more than £10mil on several players in the last two windows and are still starting the same front 3 they had in the Championship. It’s a difficult department to get right when you are likely to lose most games! Yeah spot on 👍
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 23, 2018 11:11:47 GMT 1
We have had 3 goes at getting a better player than VLP for aroind the £10 million mark and don't look to have succeeded with any of them. Either we are terrible at signing wingers or his value in this matket is a lot higher than you think. Brighton have spent far more than £10mil on several players in the last two windows and are still starting the same front 3 they had in the Championship. It’s a difficult department to get right when you are likely to lose most games! Exactly, there are so many variables involved: - Match winners are the most expensive players to buy. - We have to be VERY careful on wages as that’s what cripples clubs when they go back down - Consequently our total wage bill and highest wage will be one of the lowest 3 in the league - Meaning we can’t afford proven premier league quality in these positions - So we need to look abroad for potentially good PL wingers - They will be raw and need time (which we don’t have) to get up to speed and know what’s required, meaning it’s more of a risk to throw them in and it’s safer to stick with the existing wingers There’s also the problems that we’ve had with the director of football position: - Webber quitting part way through promotion season - Moss leaving part way through last season - Rebbe only being appointed this summer, leaving a gap of what, 6 months - Rebbe not knowing the English market, meaning we have to concentrate on the European market All adds up to a very tough situation to bring in the right match winning quality. Really concerning that Diakhaby was so poor when he came on yesterday and that Mbenza can’t get on, they might not have been first choice signings and we might’ve been thwarted on our first choices for whatever reason. But it’s incredibly difficult to do in our position and to just slate the club and the new signings without context is not particularly helpful.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 23, 2018 11:15:23 GMT 1
Brighton have spent far more than £10mil on several players in the last two windows and are still starting the same front 3 they had in the Championship. It’s a difficult department to get right when you are likely to lose most games! Exactly, there are so many variables involved: - Match winners are the most expensive players to buy. - We have to be VERY careful on wages as that’s what cripples clubs when they go back down - Consequently our total wage bill and highest wage will be one of the lowest 3 in the league - Meaning we can’t afford proven premier league quality in these positions - So we need to look abroad for potentially good PL wingers - They will be raw and need time (which we don’t have) to get up to speed and know what’s required, meaning it’s more of a risk to throw them in and it’s safer to stick with the existing wingers There’s also the problems that we’ve had with the director of football position: - Webber quitting part way through promotion season - Moss leaving part way through last season - Rebbe only being appointed this summer, leaving a gap of what, 6 months - Rebbe not knowing the English market, meaning we have to concentrate on the European market All adds up to a very tough situation to bring in the right match winning quality. Really concerning that Diakhaby was so poor when he came on yesterday and that Mbenza can’t get on, they might not have been first choice signings and we might’ve been thwarted on our first choices for whatever reason. But it’s incredibly difficult to do in our position and to just slate the club and the new signings without context is not particularly helpful. Stop thinking this through. DATM is not a place to be rational.
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Post by kes on Sept 23, 2018 11:20:52 GMT 1
I don't imagine selling Ince was Rebbe's call.
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Post by kennyk2 on Sept 23, 2018 11:41:18 GMT 1
We have had 3 goes at getting a better player than VLP for aroind the £10 million mark and don't look to have succeeded with any of them. Either we are terrible at signing wingers or his value in this matket is a lot higher than you think. Brighton have spent far more than £10mil on several players in the last two windows and are still starting the same front 3 they had in the Championship. It’s a difficult department to get right when you are likely to lose most games! There was an article published a couple of months ago showing how much the chairman had ploughed into Brighton to get them promoted - roughly £400 million over a decade. You could say that when they got promoted, Brighton already had PL strikers on their books.
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Post by terriers2000 on Sept 23, 2018 12:46:20 GMT 1
Quaner and mbenza against spurs, when quaner plays we will win
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 23, 2018 12:54:42 GMT 1
Quaner and mbenza against spurs, when quaner plays we will win Atleast it'll be comically entertaining if nothing else
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 23, 2018 13:09:02 GMT 1
Quaner and mbenza against spurs, when quaner plays we will win Atleast it'll be comically entertaining if nothing else Quaner cost £500k Saved us in the play offs Was our leading assist maker last year He’s not PL quality but he has done the job he was bought for and far more. He’s a victim of Towns progression (which he’s played a full part in) He’s been a successful signing in the context of his arrival and fee Quaner doesn’t deserve the stick he gets Hopefully in time we’ll be able to call Mbenza and diakhaby money well spent ... if they showed the same heart of Colin that would be a start
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 23, 2018 13:16:47 GMT 1
Quaner is not even a championship player.
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Post by k1man999 on Sept 23, 2018 13:16:49 GMT 1
Thing is people saying we can't afford certain player but we possibly could. Diakhaby cost 15m +sobhi 5m =traore massive improvement If wages could have been agreed is another matter. we seem to have gone for quantity over quality at this stage of proceedings. We have underused the loan market this year.
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 23, 2018 13:18:50 GMT 1
Diakarby cost 3.5 million euro.
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