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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 3, 2018 0:06:55 GMT 1
Oti, there will not be one poster on here, infact let's go further than that, one Town fan who has a problem with or object to or most importantly give a shit or care about anybody being gay (or not). I mean seriously, do you ever talk about it?, no. Do I?, no (apart from when events are manufactured to make us think there is a problem when there isn't). Does anybody apart from the LGBT community talk about it or give a shit?, NO. If nobody gave a shit it wouldn't be chanted about in any way. If nobody gave a shit the gay and bisexual footballers in the top 4 leagues would feel safe enough to not go through intense effort to actively hide it every day. Gay footballers.... maybe half a dozen....a dozen. Been on this website 10 years....never discussed my sexuality once. Its all gays witter on about.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 0:08:35 GMT 1
Mock who you want, but expect to get something back. You're the one living in a fantasy world if you can even entertain the thought that homosexuality will be criminalised again, that pride events will stop because they upset and offend you too much (poor lil snowflake), or that we can be mocked, attacked, and killed without speaking up. You aren't really one for considering evidence or changing your view due to it, and I don't owe you the effort of providing stats. Googling 'homophobic hate crime statistics uk' makes sobering reading if anyone would like to read them, and this is in one of the most tolerant countries in the world. I did not say it should be criminalised....i was clearly being flippant, its the constant obsession with their sexuality and proclivity that annoys the most. Junkies only talking of the fix. By the way, ever wondered why it has been criminalised in virtually every society since pre-history became history? Might there be strong and sensible reasons for that? Throughout history legal goalposts move....and move back. I dont think it should be criminalised...but i also think it is OK to mock. Reading hate crime statistics would be as pleasurable as attending a silly gay pride event (hate crime and gay pride are both oxymorons). No-one actually gives a shit except the self-obsessed "look and me" gays. Homosexuals are twice as likely to suffer mental illness or commit suicide, that i know...is that because of discrimination or might they often be gay because they have mental health issues? Just throwing it out there if you want to debate. Gays, welcome everywhere....in the pub, as TV chat show hosts, as air stewards You really are an absolute c***. You're claiming no one cares about homosexuality, while saying 'there's a reason it was criminalised' and 'maybe gays are mentally ill'. You clearly have a problem with gays. And yes, the increased rates of suicide, etc., are absolutely to do with discrimination, and nothing to do with homosexuality being a 'mental illness'. Fuck you (not in a gay way).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 0:09:27 GMT 1
If nobody gave a shit it wouldn't be chanted about in any way. If nobody gave a shit the gay and bisexual footballers in the top 4 leagues would feel safe enough to not go through intense effort to actively hide it every day. Gay footballers.... maybe half a dozen....a dozen. Been on this website 10 years....never discussed my sexuality once. Its all gays witter on about. Doesn't bragging about little Miss Hungary count as discussing your sexuality?
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Dec 3, 2018 0:19:55 GMT 1
Mock who you want, but expect to get something back. You're the one living in a fantasy world if you can even entertain the thought that homosexuality will be criminalised again, that pride events will stop because they upset and offend you too much (poor lil snowflake), or that we can be mocked, attacked, and killed without speaking up. You aren't really one for considering evidence or changing your view due to it, and I don't owe you the effort of providing stats. Googling 'homophobic hate crime statistics uk' makes sobering reading if anyone would like to read them, and this is in one of the most tolerant countries in the world. I did not say it should be criminalised....i was clearly being flippant, its the constant obsession with their sexuality and proclivity that annoys the most. Junkies only talking of the fix. By the way, ever wondered why it has been criminalised in virtually every society since pre-history became history? Might there be strong and sensible reasons for that? Throughout history legal goalposts move....and move back. I dont think it should be criminalised...but i also think it is OK to mock. Reading hate crime statistics would be as pleasurable as attending a silly gay pride event (hate crime and gay pride are both oxymorons). No-one actually gives a shit except the self-obsessed "look and me" gays. Homosexuals are twice as likely to suffer mental illness or commit suicide, that i know...is that because of discrimination or might they often be gay because they have mental health issues? Just throwing it out there if you want to debate. Gays, welcome everywhere....in the pub, as TV chat show hosts, as air stewards You really like talking about my sexuality though? I think I've probably posted on here about LGBT stuff maybe 5 or 6 times at a guess. Although I reckon you've talked about it a whole lot more. Not engaging with the blatantly false and homophobic provocations.
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Post by E4b on Dec 3, 2018 0:21:42 GMT 1
The world is going mad! You just can’t do fuck all these days without offending someone! Might as well lock yourself in your house and have done with It!
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 3, 2018 0:23:01 GMT 1
I did not say it should be criminalised....i was clearly being flippant, its the constant obsession with their sexuality and proclivity that annoys the most. Junkies only talking of the fix. By the way, ever wondered why it has been criminalised in virtually every society since pre-history became history? Might there be strong and sensible reasons for that? Throughout history legal goalposts move....and move back. I dont think it should be criminalised...but i also think it is OK to mock. Reading hate crime statistics would be as pleasurable as attending a silly gay pride event (hate crime and gay pride are both oxymorons). No-one actually gives a shit except the self-obsessed "look and me" gays. Homosexuals are twice as likely to suffer mental illness or commit suicide, that i know...is that because of discrimination or might they often be gay because they have mental health issues? Just throwing it out there if you want to debate. Gays, welcome everywhere....in the pub, as TV chat show hosts, as air stewards You really are an absolute c***. You're claiming no one cares about homosexuality, while saying 'there's a reason it was criminalised' and 'maybe gays are mentally ill'. You clearly have a problem with gays. And yes, the increased rates of suicide, etc., are absolutely to do with discrimination, and nothing to do with homosexuality being a 'mental illness'. Fuck you (not in a gay way). Thanks Bert. You have added 2 and 2 and gotten 5. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to mental illness. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to predatory older people, i also have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to genetics. Half the pop of the UK suffers mental illness at some time...i am not ashamed to say i have had dark moments. Curious that suicide rates are not double amongst the Asian population of the UK? If discrimination was the cause wouldn't their rates be triple the average.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 3, 2018 0:24:10 GMT 1
I did not say it should be criminalised....i was clearly being flippant, its the constant obsession with their sexuality and proclivity that annoys the most. Junkies only talking of the fix. By the way, ever wondered why it has been criminalised in virtually every society since pre-history became history? Might there be strong and sensible reasons for that? Throughout history legal goalposts move....and move back. I dont think it should be criminalised...but i also think it is OK to mock. Reading hate crime statistics would be as pleasurable as attending a silly gay pride event (hate crime and gay pride are both oxymorons). No-one actually gives a shit except the self-obsessed "look and me" gays. Homosexuals are twice as likely to suffer mental illness or commit suicide, that i know...is that because of discrimination or might they often be gay because they have mental health issues? Just throwing it out there if you want to debate. Gays, welcome everywhere....in the pub, as TV chat show hosts, as air stewards You really like talking about my sexuality though? I think I've probably posted on here about LGBT stuff maybe 5 or 6 times at a guess. Although I reckon you've talked about it a whole lot more. Not engaging with the blatantly false and homophobic provocations. Didnt know you were gay...dont care....will have forgotten by the morning. Try it.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 3, 2018 0:25:08 GMT 1
Gay footballers.... maybe half a dozen....a dozen. Been on this website 10 years....never discussed my sexuality once. Its all gays witter on about. Doesn't bragging about little Miss Hungary count as discussing your sexuality? Find the post. Quote the sexual comments. Zero.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 0:25:39 GMT 1
You really are an absolute c***. You're claiming no one cares about homosexuality, while saying 'there's a reason it was criminalised' and 'maybe gays are mentally ill'. You clearly have a problem with gays. And yes, the increased rates of suicide, etc., are absolutely to do with discrimination, and nothing to do with homosexuality being a 'mental illness'. Fuck you (not in a gay way). Thanks Bert. You have added 2 and 2 and gotten 5. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to mental illness. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to predatory older people, i also have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to genetics. Half the pop of the UK suffers mental illness at some time...i am not ashamed to say i have had dark moments. Curious that suicide rates are not double amongst the Asian population of the UK? If discrimination was the cause wouldn't their rates be triple the average. I have no doubt that you're a stupid, homophobic c***. I notice that you have no response to me pointing out that you talk about your sexuality all the time.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Dec 3, 2018 0:26:29 GMT 1
You really are an absolute c***. You're claiming no one cares about homosexuality, while saying 'there's a reason it was criminalised' and 'maybe gays are mentally ill'. You clearly have a problem with gays. And yes, the increased rates of suicide, etc., are absolutely to do with discrimination, and nothing to do with homosexuality being a 'mental illness'. Fuck you (not in a gay way). Thanks Bert. You have added 2 and 2 and gotten 5. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to mental illness. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to predatory older people, i also have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to genetics. Half the pop of the UK suffers mental illness at some time...i am not ashamed to say i have had dark moments. Curious that suicide rates are not double amongst the Asian population of the UK? If discrimination was the cause wouldn't their rates be triple the average. Conclusive proof that time travel is possible. But only in a backwards way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 0:27:11 GMT 1
Doesn't bragging about little Miss Hungary count as discussing your sexuality? Find the post. Quote the sexual comments. Zero. Why would I know that you're (claiming to be) shagging Little Miss Hungary, who's 20/30 years younger than you, if you'd never mentioned your sexuality? Edit: This is in response to you claiming that gays are always going on about their sexuality. I'm gay. I've mentioned it in 3 or 4 posts, and always only in response to homophobic comments that you have made.
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Post by ACW on Dec 3, 2018 0:37:18 GMT 1
If nobody gave a shit it wouldn't be chanted about in any way. If nobody gave a shit the gay and bisexual footballers in the top 4 leagues would feel safe enough to not go through intense effort to actively hide it every day. Gay footballers.... maybe half a dozen....a dozen. Been on this website 10 years....never discussed my sexuality once. Its all gays witter on about. I presume you are heterosexual and haven't suffered abuse, discrimination or prejudice because of your sexuality. If your sexuality was constantly used as a stick to beat you with, then you might "witter on" about it too. I am sure most homosexuals would rather just get on with their lives quietly, but the fact that they are still not completely accepted by society means they have to continually fight to gain equality and acceptance. I am not gay, so I can't begin to imagine what it's like to be discriminated against on the grounds of my sexuality. I can empathise though, and understand that they often have to fight to gain acceptance for something that should no longer be an issue in the 21st century. Your comments trivialise what is still a real problem that affects the daily lives of many. And it shouldn’t. But sadly its out dated attitudes from people like you that continue to propagate prejudice.
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Post by ACW on Dec 3, 2018 0:39:14 GMT 1
You really are an absolute c***. You're claiming no one cares about homosexuality, while saying 'there's a reason it was criminalised' and 'maybe gays are mentally ill'. You clearly have a problem with gays. And yes, the increased rates of suicide, etc., are absolutely to do with discrimination, and nothing to do with homosexuality being a 'mental illness'. Fuck you (not in a gay way). Thanks Bert. You have added 2 and 2 and gotten 5. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to mental illness. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to predatory older people, i also have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to genetics. Half the pop of the UK suffers mental illness at some time...i am not ashamed to say i have had dark moments. Curious that suicide rates are not double amongst the Asian population of the UK? If discrimination was the cause wouldn't their rates be triple the average. With that post you have shown who is really suffering from mental illness. Your ignorance knows no bounds.
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Post by Der Scheißbomber on Dec 3, 2018 0:43:01 GMT 1
You really are an absolute c***. You're claiming no one cares about homosexuality, while saying 'there's a reason it was criminalised' and 'maybe gays are mentally ill'. You clearly have a problem with gays. And yes, the increased rates of suicide, etc., are absolutely to do with discrimination, and nothing to do with homosexuality being a 'mental illness'. Fuck you (not in a gay way). Thanks Bert. You have added 2 and 2 and gotten 5. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to mental illness. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to predatory older people, i also have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to genetics. Half the pop of the UK suffers mental illness at some time...i am not ashamed to say i have had dark moments. Curious that suicide rates are not double amongst the Asian population of the UK? If discrimination was the cause wouldn't their rates be triple the average. Your bigotry truly knows no bounds. Speaking of pride, I bet you're dead proud of being such an edgy fucker...
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Post by ritchie on Dec 3, 2018 0:43:02 GMT 1
The world is going mad! You just can’t do fuck all these days without offending someone! Might as well lock yourself in your house and have done with It! If by 'can't do fuck all' you mean 'cant be a homophobic cretin', then no, i guess you cant do fuck all these days
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Dec 3, 2018 0:43:15 GMT 1
Gay footballers.... maybe half a dozen....a dozen. Been on this website 10 years....never discussed my sexuality once. Its all gays witter on about. I presume you are heterosexual and haven't suffered abuse, discrimination or prejudice because of your sexuality. If your sexuality was constantly used as a stick to beat you with, then you might "witter on" about it too. I am sure most homosexuals would rather just get on with their lives quietly, but the fact that they are still not completely accepted by society means they have to continually fight to gain equality and acceptance. I am not gay, so I can't begin to imagine what it's like to be discriminated against on the grounds of my sexuality. I can empathise though, and understand that they often have to fight to gain acceptance for something that should no longer be an issue in the 21st century. Your comments trivialise what is still a real problem that affects the daily lives of many. And it shouldn’t. But sadly its out dated attitudes from people like you that continue to propagate prejudice. This is pretty much it, thank you Andy. It doesn't make me feel good having to talk about this on a board where I want to talk about Town.
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Post by E4b on Dec 3, 2018 0:54:48 GMT 1
The world is going mad! You just can’t do fuck all these days without offending someone! Might as well lock yourself in your house and have done with It! If by 'can't do fuck all' you mean 'cant be a homophobic cretin', then no, i guess you cant do fuck all these days Every twat is too fkin serious these days, only interested in suing one another!! People should lighten up, life is short!!!
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Post by ACW on Dec 3, 2018 0:55:45 GMT 1
I presume you are heterosexual and haven't suffered abuse, discrimination or prejudice because of your sexuality. If your sexuality was constantly used as a stick to beat you with, then you might "witter on" about it too. I am sure most homosexuals would rather just get on with their lives quietly, but the fact that they are still not completely accepted by society means they have to continually fight to gain equality and acceptance. I am not gay, so I can't begin to imagine what it's like to be discriminated against on the grounds of my sexuality. I can empathise though, and understand that they often have to fight to gain acceptance for something that should no longer be an issue in the 21st century. Your comments trivialise what is still a real problem that affects the daily lives of many. And it shouldn’t. But sadly its out dated attitudes from people like you that continue to propagate prejudice. This is pretty much it, thank you Andy. It doesn't make me feel good having to talk about this on a board where I want to talk about Town. You have nothing to feel bad about. And you have every right to defend yourself. It's a shame you have to do so, but the world continues to be full of idiots who must be challenged. This thread has just served to show Otium up as the bigot we all know he is. His views are ignorant, inaccurate and most importantly ridiculous. If this thread does nothing but show him - and maybe some others - to be bigoted dinosaurs with unfounded and dangerous views, then it has served a purpose. Keep posting and hopefully next time we'll be discussing Town.
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Post by ACW on Dec 3, 2018 1:00:56 GMT 1
If by 'can't do fuck all' you mean 'cant be a homophobic cretin', then no, i guess you cant do fuck all these days Every twat is too fkin serious these days, only interested in suing one another!! People should lighten up, life is short!!! Lighten up about prejudice and discrimination? Really? You are trivialising an issue that seriously affects people's lives. In some cases it's costs people their lives.
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Post by Spike24 on Dec 3, 2018 5:32:09 GMT 1
Gay footballers.... maybe half a dozen....a dozen. Been on this website 10 years....never discussed my sexuality once. Its all gays witter on about. I presume you are heterosexual and haven't suffered abuse, discrimination or prejudice because of your sexuality. If your sexuality was constantly used as a stick to beat you with, then you might "witter on" about it too. I am sure most homosexuals would rather just get on with their lives quietly, but the fact that they are still not completely accepted by society means they have to continually fight to gain equality and acceptance. I am not gay, so I can't begin to imagine what it's like to be discriminated against on the grounds of my sexuality. I can empathise though, and understand that they often have to fight to gain acceptance for something that should no longer be an issue in the 21st century. Your comments trivialise what is still a real problem that affects the daily lives of many. And it shouldn’t. But sadly its out dated attitudes from people like you that continue to propagate prejudice. Maybe they'll never get complete acceptance though.
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Post by E4b on Dec 3, 2018 6:47:18 GMT 1
Every twat is too fkin serious these days, only interested in suing one another!! People should lighten up, life is short!!! Lighten up about prejudice and discrimination? Really? You are trivialising an issue that seriously affects people's lives. In some cases it's costs people their lives. So what's the difference between someone singing - Does your boyfriend know you're here and someone calling me a fat bastard? Where do we draw the line? Maybe we should re-word all the town songs i.e We all hate L***s scum becomes We don't like L***s people We're all mad, round the bend becomes We're all nice, we welcome you, hope you have good luck and get home safely The referees a wanker becomes The referee is a tad naughty!!!! FFS!!!
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Post by malcolmbrown on Dec 3, 2018 8:19:51 GMT 1
You really are an absolute c***. You're claiming no one cares about homosexuality, while saying 'there's a reason it was criminalised' and 'maybe gays are mentally ill'. You clearly have a problem with gays. And yes, the increased rates of suicide, etc., are absolutely to do with discrimination, and nothing to do with homosexuality being a 'mental illness'. Fuck you (not in a gay way). Thanks Bert. You have added 2 and 2 and gotten 5. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to mental illness. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to predatory older people, i also have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to genetics. Half the pop of the UK suffers mental illness at some time...i am not ashamed to say i have had dark moments. Curious that suicide rates are not double amongst the Asian population of the UK? If discrimination was the cause wouldn't their rates be triple the average. Christ Otium, is there no barrel you won't scrape. Deary, deary me.
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Post by cunningplan on Dec 3, 2018 9:43:24 GMT 1
Lighten up about prejudice and discrimination? Really? You are trivialising an issue that seriously affects people's lives. In some cases it's costs people their lives. So what's the difference between someone singing - Does your boyfriend know you're here and someone calling me a fat bastard? Where do we draw the line? Maybe we should re-word all the town songs i.e We all hate L***s scum becomes We don't like L***s people We're all mad, round the bend becomes We're all nice, we welcome you, hope you have good luck and get home safely The referees a wanker becomes The referee is a tad naughty!!!! FFS!!! If this is an attempt to get people to 'lighten up' then you need to employ another scriptwriter.......
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Post by Champers on Dec 3, 2018 9:48:34 GMT 1
I'm not homophobic I just don't like poofters 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I must be homophobic, I have a fear of another bloke wanting to do things to me... You just haven't met the right one, darling 😘
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 3, 2018 10:03:44 GMT 1
Gay footballers.... maybe half a dozen....a dozen. Been on this website 10 years....never discussed my sexuality once. Its all gays witter on about. I presume you are heterosexual and haven't suffered abuse, discrimination or prejudice because of your sexuality. If your sexuality was constantly used as a stick to beat you with, then you might "witter on" about it too. I am sure most homosexuals would rather just get on with their lives quietly, but the fact that they are still not completely accepted by society means they have to continually fight to gain equality and acceptance.I am not gay, so I can't begin to imagine what it's like to be discriminated against on the grounds of my sexuality. I can empathise though, and understand that they often have to fight to gain acceptance for something that should no longer be an issue in the 21st century. Your comments trivialise what is still a real problem that affects the daily lives of many. And it shouldn’t. But sadly its out dated attitudes from people like you that continue to propagate prejudice. I actually agree with that accept for the word 'most'. I think something that is actually holding back the day when equality and acceptance is 100% a given is things like the gay pride movement. It seems totally counter-productive to say the aim is to be treated and regarded as the same as everyone else, whilst at the same time making such a big deal of your sexuality and going out of your way to portray yourself in the most extreme caracture ways- the message is " treat us the same... look we're different....treat us the same.... look we're different... You can;t have it both ways. Theres quite a few lads i consider friends who are gay, and some would agree with me and some wouldn't to be fair. As far as this supposed chant goes, the thing that strikes me is how gay people have supposedly become incapable of laughing at themselves.. of hearing 'banter' and not being outraged. Doesn;t tie in with my gay friends who love to make or get jokes about it. It depends on the nature of the banter and the intention behind it. id imagine ( Ill ask them when I see them next ) that theyd find the 'we can see you holding hands' chant pretty funny, as for one thing it isn;t actually slagging off being gay anyway, and is clearly a piss take aimed at straight men because they come from the 'gay capital' of the UK. Its a tease. A playful stereotype no different or more offensive than the sheep shagger stuff coming the other way IMO. Itsa shame that these days any mention of homosexuality is deemed offensive and homophobic, unless its complimentary and praising. That protection in itself goes against equality in a way. If being treated the same is the goal, then part of that is the acceptance of stereotyped, playful banter- same as cockneys, yorkshiremen, old people, scousers, middle aged men, chavs, blondes, Porche drivers, yokels, train spotters, church goers, etc etc
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Post by drumriggend on Dec 3, 2018 10:35:21 GMT 1
I presume you are heterosexual and haven't suffered abuse, discrimination or prejudice because of your sexuality. If your sexuality was constantly used as a stick to beat you with, then you might "witter on" about it too. I am sure most homosexuals would rather just get on with their lives quietly, but the fact that they are still not completely accepted by society means they have to continually fight to gain equality and acceptance.I am not gay, so I can't begin to imagine what it's like to be discriminated against on the grounds of my sexuality. I can empathise though, and understand that they often have to fight to gain acceptance for something that should no longer be an issue in the 21st century. Your comments trivialise what is still a real problem that affects the daily lives of many. And it shouldn’t. But sadly its out dated attitudes from people like you that continue to propagate prejudice. I actually agree with that accept for the word 'most'. I think something that is actually holding back the day when equality and acceptance is 100% a given is things like the gay pride movement. It seems totally counter-productive to say the aim is to be treated and regarded as the same as everyone else, whilst at the same time making such a big deal of your sexuality and going out of your way to portray yourself in the most extreme caracture ways- the message is " treat us the same... look we're different....treat us the same.... look we're different... You can;t have it both ways. Theres quite a few lads i consider friends who are gay, and some would agree with me and some wouldn't to be fair. As far as this supposed chant goes, the thing that strikes me is how gay people have supposedly become incapable of laughing at themselves.. of hearing 'banter' and not being outraged. Doesn;t tie in with my gay friends who love to make or get jokes about it. It depends on the nature of the banter and the intention behind it. id imagine ( Ill ask them when I see them next ) that theyd find the 'we can see you holding hands' chant pretty funny, as for one thing it isn;t actually slagging off being gay anyway, and is clearly a piss take aimed at straight men because they come from the 'gay capital' of the UK. Its a tease. A playful stereotype no different or more offensive than the sheep shagger stuff coming the other way IMO. Itsa shame that these days any mention of homosexuality is deemed offensive and homophobic, unless its complimentary and praising. That protection in itself goes against equality in a way. If being treated the same is the goal, then part of that is the acceptance of stereotyped, playful banter- same as cockneys, yorkshiremen, old people, scousers, middle aged men, chavs, blondes, Porche drivers, yokels, train spotters, church goers, etc etc Brilliant.. Well said that man 👏
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Post by realmadkid on Dec 3, 2018 10:44:09 GMT 1
I presume you are heterosexual and haven't suffered abuse, discrimination or prejudice because of your sexuality. If your sexuality was constantly used as a stick to beat you with, then you might "witter on" about it too. I am sure most homosexuals would rather just get on with their lives quietly, but the fact that they are still not completely accepted by society means they have to continually fight to gain equality and acceptance.I am not gay, so I can't begin to imagine what it's like to be discriminated against on the grounds of my sexuality. I can empathise though, and understand that they often have to fight to gain acceptance for something that should no longer be an issue in the 21st century. Your comments trivialise what is still a real problem that affects the daily lives of many. And it shouldn’t. But sadly its out dated attitudes from people like you that continue to propagate prejudice. I actually agree with that accept for the word 'most'. I think something that is actually holding back the day when equality and acceptance is 100% a given is things like the gay pride movement. It seems totally counter-productive to say the aim is to be treated and regarded as the same as everyone else, whilst at the same time making such a big deal of your sexuality and going out of your way to portray yourself in the most extreme caracture ways- the message is " treat us the same... look we're different....treat us the same.... look we're different... You can;t have it both ways. Theres quite a few lads i consider friends who are gay, and some would agree with me and some wouldn't to be fair. As far as this supposed chant goes, the thing that strikes me is how gay people have supposedly become incapable of laughing at themselves.. of hearing 'banter' and not being outraged. Doesn;t tie in with my gay friends who love to make or get jokes about it. It depends on the nature of the banter and the intention behind it. id imagine ( Ill ask them when I see them next ) that theyd find the 'we can see you holding hands' chant pretty funny, as for one thing it isn;t actually slagging off being gay anyway, and is clearly a piss take aimed at straight men because they come from the 'gay capital' of the UK. Its a tease. A playful stereotype no different or more offensive than the sheep shagger stuff coming the other way IMO. Itsa shame that these days any mention of homosexuality is deemed offensive and homophobic, unless its complimentary and praising. That protection in itself goes against equality in a way. If being treated the same is the goal, then part of that is the acceptance of stereotyped, playful banter- same as cockneys, yorkshiremen, old people, scousers, middle aged men, chavs, blondes, Porche drivers, yokels, train spotters, church goers, etc etc Eloquently put slaps. What really grinds my gears about all this stuff is that it hs suddenly become a heinous 'crime' to dislike something or someone- in this case homosexuals and homosexuality. I don't condone homophobia in any way - my son is gay for a start and I absolutely love him to bits but I accept that people are against it for moral and sometimes blindly bigoted reasons. But who are we to label them with what has become a highly emotive label such as homophobic? What happened to people's rights to like / dislike whatever / whoever they wish? I don't partcularly care for people who take the high moral ground on this or many other subjects - is there a label for that too? Have I suddenly become a 'hater' in some peverted way? Live and let live and if some people choose to 'hate' others for whatever reason or simply make a stand upon what they believe to be right, whether we believe it or not, simply avoid interaction with them - don't 'hate' them or place highly emotive labels such as 'homophobic' on them. Surely that is just as 'bad' as what they are allegedly accused of?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 3, 2018 11:25:34 GMT 1
Thanks Bert. You have added 2 and 2 and gotten 5. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to mental illness. I have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to predatory older people, i also have no doubt that homosexuality is linked to genetics. Half the pop of the UK suffers mental illness at some time...i am not ashamed to say i have had dark moments. Curious that suicide rates are not double amongst the Asian population of the UK? If discrimination was the cause wouldn't their rates be triple the average. I have no doubt that you're a stupid, homophobic c***. I notice that you have no response to me pointing out that you talk about your sexuality all the time. I tend to find that people who throw brick-bats, shout expletives and use the word "c***" tend to be the stupider versions of the human race....oh, and blokes with names like Bert. My response WAS forthcoming...show a single post in 10 years where i have explicitly discussed my sexuality, sexual acts or even made jokes about it. You wont find them.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Dec 3, 2018 11:27:50 GMT 1
Hi folks. Locking this thread for a brief period. We have had several posts from it reported to the admin team and awaiting adjudication.
While we review this please bear with us.
I will add this - I have not yet read the entire thread, and was not at the game on Saturday. But it is, frankly, disgusting to me that we have a thread on here in 2018 where the discourse about homophobia ends up in abuse and anything other than consensus that a) homophobia is a real problem and that b) we unilaterally condemn it.
Rest assured, homophobia has no place on DATM, and we as an admin team will review each post reported (including those directing abuse at people who have expressed arguable distasteful views) and we will do so carefully and as objectively as possible. If we need to clean this thread up or remove it we will.
But fuck me what a shame that we even have to, eh?
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