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Post by champ on Jan 13, 2019 14:18:00 GMT 1
I'm feeling more positive about our prospects next year while at the same time not getting carried away.
I do expect though us to be knocking on the door of the playoffs all season with us sneaking 5th or 6th place toward the latter stages.
We love a playoff final...
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Post by El Mel on Jan 13, 2019 14:22:07 GMT 1
I'd be happy with mid-table.
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Post by haveitback on Jan 13, 2019 14:41:38 GMT 1
Mid table at best
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 13, 2019 14:41:40 GMT 1
If according to the Wagner fan club on here, he is a top coach, then I'm expecting to bounce back but I suspect the reality could well be different.
Given the parachute payments and the ability of any players that remain I would expect us to be challenging top 6 at least and will be disappointed if we don't. I'm hoping for a better summer transfer wise too.
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Post by dugnet on Jan 13, 2019 14:43:37 GMT 1
If according to the Wagner fan club on here, he is a top coach, then I'm expecting to bounce back but I suspect the reality could well be different. Given the parachute payments and the ability of any players that remain I would expect us to be challenging top 6 at least and will be disappointed if we don't. I'm hoping for a better summer transfer wise too. Why do you expect the reality to be different? And if so, assuming DW stays, what are you expecting?
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Post by ben1987 on Jan 13, 2019 14:48:15 GMT 1
My expectation and mentality is always to win everything, promotion and nothing less next season. If we don’t achieve that then my expectation doesn’t change. I hate losing.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 13, 2019 14:48:52 GMT 1
If according to the Wagner fan club on here, he is a top coach, then I'm expecting to bounce back but I suspect the reality could well be different. Given the parachute payments and the ability of any players that remain I would expect us to be challenging top 6 at least and will be disappointed if we don't. I'm hoping for a better summer transfer wise too. Why do you expect the reality to be different? And if so, assuming DW stays, what are you expecting? As I said his style is not conducive to attacking play and goals, I'll be honest Town have been boring to watch under Wagner for the main part despite winning promotion and having a reasonable first Premier League season. I expect Wagner to still be here as Hoyle seems hell bent on keeping him come hell or high water, rightly or wrongly. I just expect it to be more of the same over passing, sideways and backwards, no threat, domination of possession with very little to show for it. It's quite possible Wagner could go and we get another foreign manager who is more capable than Wagner, they are out there Biesla, Huttenhagl so who knows? I would expect us as a minimum to be challenging for the play offs.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 13, 2019 14:54:15 GMT 1
I love how delusional our fan base is and the fans that are wanting us to go down are. The best option would clearly be to stay in the premier league. All I'm hearing is New training facility we are going to do a Burnley etc, what are fans basing it on? Happy clapping instincts? We could quite easily do a Hull or a Sunderland, we could very much end up back in league one, I'm not saying we will but we could, nothing is certain. The championship is a long arse slog, we all know this. We are going down I have no doubts, potentially with Newcastle and Fulham who would both out spend us and finish above us in the championship. Look at teams like west Brom, villa, Norwich, Boro, derby, forest or even the filth ffs. We would finish above none of those teams currently. Relegation is not a good thing i assure you, what makes everyone think these players will go again confidence will be at zero.
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Post by champ on Jan 13, 2019 14:54:34 GMT 1
I don't think in living memory I've ever expected Town to be automatic promotion contenders, even when we were in league 1.
Playoffs is always an exciting thing to be part of but I wouldn't want a promotion back to the prem if this last couple of seasons sets the precedent.
I would take a good fa cup run over promotion any day.
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Post by impact on Jan 13, 2019 15:04:52 GMT 1
Why do you expect the reality to be different? And if so, assuming DW stays, what are you expecting? As I said his style is not conducive to attacking play and goals, I'll be honest Town have been boring to watch under Wagner for the main part despite winning promotion and having a reasonable first Premier League season. I expect Wagner to still be here as Hoyle seems hell bent on keeping him come hell or high water, rightly or wrongly. I just expect it to be more of the same over passing, sideways and backwards, no threat, domination of possession with very little to show for it. It's quite possible Wagner could go and we get another foreign manager who is more capable than Wagner, they are out there Biesla, Huttenhagl so who knows? I would expect us as a minimum to be challenging for the play offs. How on earth have you come to the conclusion that those 2 are more capable? That's just bollocks. If you found the 16/17 season boring I have no idea why you are still supporting Town.
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Post by Moooooy on Jan 13, 2019 16:20:16 GMT 1
Why do you expect the reality to be different? And if so, assuming DW stays, what are you expecting? As I said his style is not conducive to attacking play and goals, I'll be honest Town have been boring to watch under Wagner for the main part despite winning promotion and having a reasonable first Premier League season. I expect Wagner to still be here as Hoyle seems hell bent on keeping him come hell or high water, rightly or wrongly. I just expect it to be more of the same over passing, sideways and backwards, no threat, domination of possession with very little to show for it. It's quite possible Wagner could go and we get another foreign manager who is more capable than Wagner, they are out there Biesla, Huttenhagl so who knows? I would expect us as a minimum to be challenging for the play offs. If you found the last 2 seasons boring how the hell did you manage to watch us under Powell, Robins, Grayson, Clark, Ternent, Ritchie etc? I’m really amazed how some people have forgotten that we’ve been utterly shite in performances and results (batting 3 or 4 seasons) for the last 30 odd years. Wagner has transformed this club and he has shown great loyalty in staying here, a rare commodity in football these days. It’s not right in my opinion that we all demanded he stay for the last 3 years and now he’s had a bad few months people are calling for his head. He deserves our loyalty for everything he’s done.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 13, 2019 16:22:29 GMT 1
As I said his style is not conducive to attacking play and goals, I'll be honest Town have been boring to watch under Wagner for the main part despite winning promotion and having a reasonable first Premier League season. I expect Wagner to still be here as Hoyle seems hell bent on keeping him come hell or high water, rightly or wrongly. I just expect it to be more of the same over passing, sideways and backwards, no threat, domination of possession with very little to show for it. It's quite possible Wagner could go and we get another foreign manager who is more capable than Wagner, they are out there Biesla, Huttenhagl so who knows? I would expect us as a minimum to be challenging for the play offs. If you found the last 2 seasons boring how the hell did you manage to watch us under Powell, Robins, Grayson, Clark, Ternent, Ritchie etc? I’m really amazed how some people have forgotten that we’ve been utterly shite in performances and results (batting 3 or 4 seasons) for the last 30 odd years. Wagner has transformed this club and he has shown great loyalty in staying here, a rare commodity in football these days. It’s not right in my opinion that we all demanded he stay for the last 3 years and now he’s had a bad few months people are calling for his head. He deserves our loyalty for everything he’s done. Let's hope he repays our loyalty then with winning an instant return then or at least the play offs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 16:50:12 GMT 1
None of the three sides relegated last season are setting the Championship alight. True, WBA currently look like serious promotion contenders.....primarily on the back of being the division's leading goal scorers. But the other two are in the bottom half of the table, and their goals are not exactly flying in.
Wagner's Town can't score either. Whatever he initially brought to the club, and which gave us that edge in the promotion season, seems long gone. It is hard to see what he could now contribute which would see us being serious promotion contenders next season. His light burned, but now seems permanently extinguished.
One issue which surprises me is the difference in tactical approach between Klopp and Wagner.....you would never believe they once worked closely together. Obviously some of that is down to the quality of the players available to each manager.....but not all of it, surely.
Putting on my optimist's hat, I have us down for finishing next year in the bottom half, but avoiding a consecutive relegation.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jan 13, 2019 17:32:52 GMT 1
1 - Avoid relegation
2 - Make headway towards top six
Whether we are in Prem or Champs.
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Post by DuncanShearer on Jan 13, 2019 17:43:37 GMT 1
I really don't know what to expect. On the one hand I could see us comfortably being the best "footballing" side in the championship and passing teams to death perhaps without lots of goals. On the other hand I could also see us in Midtable in transition, it really all depends on recruitment.
This season, whilst the league table doesn't lie, we have been for the most part competitive, even against some very very good sides I.e. Liverpool home and Arsenal away. We've had absolutely nothing go our way and were that different we could be lower midtable.
To say we have been poor to watch under Wagner is I think plain wrong. In the promotion season we maybe didn't score enough but the way we pressed and eventually strangled some good sides was good to watch. Not being heavy scorers wasn't so much an issue in the championship, we controlled and managed marginal leads. People seem to have forgotten the "look like Barcelona" comments from opposition support. The premier league has made us more conservative simply because the standard is higher. We still often control games, but find it hard to get in front which puts the defence under huge psychological pressure to keep clean sheets. We rarely get murdered at this level so my general instinct is that if we keep hold of the core of the team i.e. Lossl, Schindler, Hogg, Mounie and invest wisely to freshen things up we would be very competitive. I say this largely because I think Mounie would offer more than Wells did at Championship level. As has been said before, the basket case clubs are those that plummet, that's not us by any stretch these days.
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 13, 2019 17:47:53 GMT 1
Going to completely depend on recruitment. With the potential of a few of our top players leaving. This current bunch won’t be anywhere near the promotion places.
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 13, 2019 17:50:16 GMT 1
If Mooy, Billing and whoever else leaves for a decent price and with parachute payments I would be expecting us to spend a bit as well as far as championship money is concerned.
No more we can’t compete excuses like the Premiership.
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Post by aca00js on Jan 13, 2019 18:07:56 GMT 1
Lots of factors to consider first, the biggest one is would Wagner stay, if not depends who we hire. I'm hoping Wagner would stay as Hoyle has kept the faith in him and would want to repay that, I'm pleased to see Wagner seems to getting back to his old self just killing us not having Mooy and the same lack of quality
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 18:33:47 GMT 1
Lots of factors to consider first, the biggest one is would Wagner stay, if not depends who we hire. I'm hoping Wagner would stay as Hoyle has kept the faith in him and would want to repay that, I'm pleased to see Wagner seems to getting back to his old self just killing us not having Mooy and the same lack of quality In what way is he getting back to his old self? I think he is nothing like the bloke who came in 3 years ago, either in attitude or application.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 13, 2019 18:39:23 GMT 1
Lots of factors to consider first, the biggest one is would Wagner stay, if not depends who we hire. I'm hoping Wagner would stay as Hoyle has kept the faith in him and would want to repay that, I'm pleased to see Wagner seems to getting back to his old self just killing us not having Mooy and the same lack of quality In what way is he getting back to his old self? I think he is nothing like the bloke who came in 3 years ago, either in attitude or application. A must win game yesterday and we hardly laid a glove on them in the attacking third He's obsessed with possession
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Post by stevvy on Jan 13, 2019 18:40:48 GMT 1
Expectations would be fighting for the playoffs, but my gut feeling is that unless we buy in some quality players and quit farting about with it at the back (sorry but no good having 70% possession if 70% of that 70& is in our own defensive third) and learn how to shoot, we'll be midtable.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jan 13, 2019 19:22:53 GMT 1
I'm an optimist I know but...
I'd be happy with the same place we are now. Oh and in the same league.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 13, 2019 20:13:33 GMT 1
I genuinely have no idea. Until we know who has arrived, who has left (us and our opponents), what the morale of the club is like.... etc I have no idea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 20:17:31 GMT 1
This poll indicates that the majority of folk are going to be disappointed ☹️
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 20:19:58 GMT 1
Impossible to say as while we do know we will almost certainly be back in the Championship we do not know who the manager will be or which players will come and go.
I would hope we would at least be playoff contenders but without knowing what the line up looks like it is impossible to say.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 13, 2019 20:21:16 GMT 1
I am curious why some posters think we will be relegated next season? Don’t get me wrong, it’s hard work in Championship but would like to know the reasons.
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Post by champ on Jan 13, 2019 20:27:20 GMT 1
I am curious why some posters think we will be relegated next season? Don’t get me wrong, it’s hard work in Championship but would like to know the reasons. I believe playoffs, however, the way we have played this season we wouldn't be anywhere near the playoffs. We will have no momentum and probably be at an all time low morale wise. I'm optimistic about our chances next season but I can see why people may not be.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 13, 2019 20:34:56 GMT 1
I genuinely have no idea. Until we know who has arrived, who has left (us and our opponents), what the morale of the club is like.... etc I have no idea. Morale will be on its arse as I really can't see where another win is coming from.
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Post by dh9 on Jan 13, 2019 20:36:26 GMT 1
Teams that struggle in the Championship after relegation from the Premier League usually suffer from both of the following:-
- Financially struggling - Numerous players that they can’t offload and are on wages that can’t be sustained under Parachute Payments
I very much doubt that either will apply to you. You haven’t over extended yourselves and your players will get a wage reduction if you go down.
Therefore, whilst not impossible it would take gross mismanagement to come in the bottom 8 I would say.
I would predict that 3rd to 10th would be most likely.
Keep Schindler and Mooy and bring in a top Championship striker and top 6 looks most likely to me.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 13, 2019 20:39:58 GMT 1
I genuinely have no idea. Until we know who has arrived, who has left (us and our opponents), what the morale of the club is like.... etc I have no idea. Morale will be on its arse as I really can't see where another win is coming from. It’s about how we end the season. Football emotions constantly change very quickly within a few weeks. You only have to look at the 3 clubs relegated last season, West Brom were on fire, Swansea and Stoke were dire. It’s no coincidence West Brom are pushing for automatic promotion and the other 2 will be lucky to make play offs. Morale is very low now. If we can end the season with a few wins the general mood will improve, slightly.
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