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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 15:20:53 GMT 1
Bill Nicholson was just a physio who hadn't been a player and Alex Ferguson went straight into a top management job. I love Oti's football knowledge! Yeah but you would fill yer pants if you met him.. apparently The only thing Id do is buy him a pint.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:23:29 GMT 1
We didn't compete at their place in August but to say we didn't compete yesterday is nonsense. We did ok, but it was like watching a friendly or meaningless end of season game. Read the headlines, Man city stroll past hopeless Hudders, Man city breeze past, Man City stroll to victory Huddersfield the most obliging of opponents etc etc
In all my years of going to football matches I can never remember having the feeling I get now against clubs like Man City. I always went with expectation and hope that town could win against anybody. Now there is just resignation, I am not even disappointed, just glad we weren't humiliated.
Fully agree with this, it felt exactly the same on the opening day against Chelsea. It's why i'm looking forward to the Championship, we may not win every week but we should be competing every game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:25:17 GMT 1
We did ok, but it was like watching a friendly or meaningless end of season game. Read the headlines, Man city stroll past hopeless Hudders, Man city breeze past, Man City stroll to victory Huddersfield the most obliging of opponents etc etc
In all my years of going to football matches I can never remember having the feeling I get now against clubs like Man City. I always went with expectation and hope that town could win against anybody. Now there is just resignation, I am not even disappointed, just glad we weren't humiliated.
Fully agree with this, it felt exactly the same on the opening day against Chelsea. It's why i'm looking forward to the Championship, we may not win every week but we should be competing every game. trouble is we will be desperate to win just to get back to this...
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 15:26:41 GMT 1
We didn't compete at their place in August but to say we didn't compete yesterday is nonsense. We did ok, but it was like watching a friendly or meaningless end of season game. Read the headlines, Man city stroll past hopeless Hudders, Man city breeze past, Man City stroll to victory Huddersfield the most obliging of opponents etc etc
In all my years of going to football matches I can never remember having the feeling I get now against clubs like Man City. I always went with expectation and hope that town could win against anybody. Now there is just resignation, I am not even disappointed, just glad we weren't humiliated.
Thats been our main fault all season, being obliging. We will generously not take any chance we create and at least once or twice in a game gift the opposition a great chance. We actually did better yesterday than a lot of sides do against Abu Dhabi. We were helped because they were generally off their game, but they weren't able to make that many chances and they had a big slice of luck with their first two. And we made a small number of chances ourselves, so those headlines you list are nonsense really compared to so many of the walkovers they have.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 15:30:24 GMT 1
We did ok, but it was like watching a friendly or meaningless end of season game. Read the headlines, Man city stroll past hopeless Hudders, Man city breeze past, Man City stroll to victory Huddersfield the most obliging of opponents etc etc
In all my years of going to football matches I can never remember having the feeling I get now against clubs like Man City. I always went with expectation and hope that town could win against anybody. Now there is just resignation, I am not even disappointed, just glad we weren't humiliated.
Fully agree with this, it felt exactly the same on the opening day against Chelsea. It's why i'm looking forward to the Championship, we may not win every week but we should be competing every game. I thought we competed very well in the chelsea game. Far more than in the corresponding game the season before. Remember going in at HT 2-0 down and bitterly disappointed we weren't level or even winning. Its a little ironic perhaps that in the games against the big 6, weve actually competed far better this season than we did last, yet the league position is so much worse. Theres only really Man City away where we didn't, and from memory we had a few key players out that day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:37:52 GMT 1
Fully agree with this, it felt exactly the same on the opening day against Chelsea. It's why i'm looking forward to the Championship, we may not win every week but we should be competing every game. I thought we competed very well in the chelsea game. Far more than in the corresponding game the season before. Remember going in at HT 2-0 down and bitterly disappointed we weren't level or even winning. Its a little ironic perhaps that in the games against the big 6, weve actually competed far better this season than we did last, yet the league position is so much worse. Theres only really Man City away where we didn't, and from memory we had a few key players out that day. Definitely, probably best v Liverpool. Last seasons matches v Liverpool and Chelsea were dreadful experiences.
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Post by benhomly on Jan 21, 2019 15:50:17 GMT 1
We didn't compete at their place in August but to say we didn't compete yesterday is nonsense. We did ok, but it was like watching a friendly or meaningless end of season game. Read the headlines, Man city stroll past hopeless Hudders, Man city breeze past, Man City stroll to victory Huddersfield the most obliging of opponents etc etc
In all my years of going to football matches I can never remember having the feeling I get now against clubs like Man City. I always went with expectation and hope that town could win against anybody. Now there is just resignation, I am not even disappointed, just glad we weren't humiliated.
But Man City never stroll past anyone. If that was the case why didn't they take their foot off the pedal against Burton or Rotherham where they would be more likely to get clattered against lower division players? I'm not saying it wasn't a routine victory but we certainly gave them something to think about at times whereas at their place we just hoofed it up field at every available opportunity. As for reading headlines - no thanks, journalists are just full of shit these days.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 21, 2019 16:06:46 GMT 1
I have got to the stage when i cannot see town winning another match this season which is more realistic in a way than it sounds , thus resulting in spending the rest of the season re writing the premiier league hisory books for all the wrong reasons
"HOW ON EARTH AS IT BEEN ALLOWED TO COME TO THIS " especially having little option but to play the same failing shite up front and in other areas that have cost Wagner his job
Hoyle seems to be allowing town to sleepwalk into relegation for maybe all the right reasons , and maybe best in the present situation to spend any funds on trying to come straight back up if relegated instead of spending silly money on the unenviable task of trying to avoid relegation
We seem to become known to other fans at this level as being HUDDERSFIELD TOWN -THE LOSING CLUB - and always a case that i only like being in a league when i think we have the chance of winning
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Post by willo on Jan 21, 2019 16:30:35 GMT 1
We’re screaming out for a striker, any striker almost will do as they would certainly be an improvement on the gash we have. Assuming this happens, I would hope(expect) us to claw ourselves another 10-15 points before the season’s out and finish with a points total in the mid-20’s. Not great but least we wouldn’t have disgraced ourselves and gives us something to build on for next year. The alternative is really unthinkable and potentially downright embarrassing.
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Post by dewsburyborn on Jan 21, 2019 16:35:45 GMT 1
Once again, it has to be said that our woes this season mostly stem from that long period when we didn't have a DOF - HTF did that happen ? were we solely waiting for Rebbe to become available - was the because Wagner really wanted him as 1st choice DOF ?
Whatever the reason, it's really screwed us - our previous 2 seasons in the top league all come flooding back. And exactly HTF did we come to get Diakhaby and Mbenza - I remember where Hoyle was alleged to have said at a q&a about having Middlesbrough's pants down over the Clayton/Butterfield deal - well someone sure as shit as had our pants down this time round.
I'm sure at this point there's no point totally spunking money to try to stay up - but do we expect a full house every week to watch us sadly go down ? BTW - I don't actually blame Diakhaby and Mbenza - someone offered them a deal, so they took it - why wouldn't they ? If they're not up to it, that's not their fault - but it is the fault of whoever authorised their signings and that needs to come out in the fullness of time.
I'm not at all sure the Championship is going to be any less brutal to us if we don't come up with 6 or 7 solid signings - from match day receipts being about 5% of our turnover, all of a sudden they're going to become significant and competing with the finances of the bigger clubs is still going to put us at a disadvantage re wages etc.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 21, 2019 16:39:25 GMT 1
We’re screaming out for a striker, any striker almost will do as they would certainly be an improvement on the gash we have. Assuming this happens, I would hope(expect) us to claw ourselves another 10-15 points before the season’s out and finish with a points total in the mid-20’s. Not great but least we wouldn’t have disgraced ourselves and gives us something to build on for next year. The alternative is really unthinkable and potentially downright embarrassing. Did I hear Matt G say he forecasts us getting 30 odd points yesterday? I'll have some of that wacky top schmokeeeeee he's on.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 16:40:21 GMT 1
Problem is to buy a striker who would make a sizeable difference now in the january window would cost £20m. To get the same player in the summer would be considerably less. The time for trying to buy our way out of this mess has gone. Try and get a striker on loan for the rest of the season would be the sensible thing to do and save our brass for next season's promotion push!
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 21, 2019 16:48:18 GMT 1
Problem is to buy a striker who would make a sizeable difference now in the january window would cost £20m. To get the same player in the summer would be considerably less. The time for trying to buy our way out of this mess has gone. Try and get a striker on loan for the rest of the season would be the sensible thing to do and save our brass for next season's promotion push! It would not cost us £20 million to bring in loan striker/s with a view to signing a permanent deal at the end of the season providing the price is right and impress It seem more a case now of trying to get straight back up next season ,and trying to plan ahead might give us a better chance
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 16:59:19 GMT 1
We did ok, but it was like watching a friendly or meaningless end of season game. Read the headlines, Man city stroll past hopeless Hudders, Man city breeze past, Man City stroll to victory Huddersfield the most obliging of opponents etc etc
In all my years of going to football matches I can never remember having the feeling I get now against clubs like Man City. I always went with expectation and hope that town could win against anybody. Now there is just resignation, I am not even disappointed, just glad we weren't humiliated.
But Man City never stroll past anyone. If that was the case why didn't they take their foot off the pedal against Burton or Rotherham where they would be more likely to get clattered against lower division players? I'm not saying it wasn't a routine victory but we certainly gave them something to think about at times whereas at their place we just hoofed it up field at every available opportunity. As for reading headlines - no thanks, journalists are just full of shit these days. yes we were much better than away but I never thought for a second we could cause an upset.
as for the headlines I just googled the match and saw what came up, I didn't read them all.
Still get one or two decent football journalists. Guardian report is often good (Hi Lancs, fancy a latte?).
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 21, 2019 17:08:32 GMT 1
be nice to see Pep take on a different kind of managerial 'challenge'... my opinion is due to money spent and wages, if Liverpool win the league then Pep has failed as badly as any of the 3 managers that go down. if its clear to the 'experts' that relegated managers have failed and someone else 'needs' to come in and freshen it up with new ideas etc, then Pep should be sacked and another bloke brought in to spend the national debt of Mexico on players and wages a true 'genius' with no financial limits has to win the league and by some distance, every year? You make it all sound very simple Galpharm. Guardiola is up against Klopp. Both have spent roughly the same over the last 3 seasons. Flip that on its head and place Allardyce and Moyes in charge of those two sides and you would have a completely different outcome. Fernandinho aged 33 would still be passing the ball backwards, Salah would maybe get into double figures for the season, Sterling wouldn't and Ederson would be launching balls up to Aguero. Neither would be top of the table and Pochettino would be winning his first trophy at a canter. If Guardiola took on a different challenge, lets say us for example, after one year Billing wouldn't just be potential. Money makes life easier but it doesn't grant you the ability to coach seriously think Allardyce or moyes would have city where they are..maybe not as many goals but still same position.. give Wagner the Liverpool team they would be where they are, he can coach given the materials to work with, never going to get enough clay to mould here to be top 6/7... guardiola might not take on billing, he may not get the option when he is sold ... might just try buy the ready made??? it is about the money.. they forget how to deal with very raw potential, the need for the next result overtakes everything else.. you dont have to build for next year or the year after.. the only 'skill' other than the obvious is to deal with fucking big heads and egos.. maybe you do ok and the ego's still want to play a bit on match days whatever they personally think of you.. once the player ego's get on top you go the way of Mourhino.. one 'star' falls out with you, move him on replace with another? Allardyce has almost always worked with what he has.. he then works in the sphere that he 'knows'.. give him the city squad and he has been around long enough to merely man manage as best he can whilst the team just 'do their thing'... guardiola loses the title to liverpool and he has failed as badly as any other manager in the league.. both he and klopp are guilty of calling each others teams the 'best in europe', maybe we see how that goes when the champions league starts up again..?? At least Sir Alex and others won the premier league at a time when the money was a wee bit more evenly spread?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 21, 2019 17:11:27 GMT 1
I don't think I've witnessed a season where our strikers have been so short on confidence. Even in the many yrs in the lower leagues there was more of a collective failure in those teams that were relegated. However, this team could be good enough to stay up if our strikers had not found themselves in a rut. We're unlikely to, but if/when the bell finally tolls, it's those 2 lads who've just not done the job this season & where all the fingers will, rightly for me, point towards. I'd hope there's not friction in the camp but by the body language in some games there doesn't seem to have been the same togetherness as last season. That was always going to be a challenge though. Promotion season was euphoria, riding the of a , this season we've been riding the of a of relief... As for creating history in the PL... Not too fussed, our moment as the proverbial laughing stock will be short lived, the media & the PL obsessed eejits that bombard things like the comments section on the BBC will move onto their next team that they somehow feel obliged to ridicule based on that teams last 12/24 months in football. The PL is now a brand first & a competition second & the problem with it being that way round is it becomes more corporate, your brand objectives overtake the need for real and actual competition & once you've created the concept of the 'big 6' as they're almost unilaterally referred to nowadays, then that will start to spell the end for the other clubs in the division. Or as is now the case, you create 2 divisions within the same division and the flavour of success in those 2 'divisions' is massively different. Even the pundits gloss over some of the decisions these teams get, particularly when they've won the games, because it's been gradually ingrained into those people that this is now the natural order of things. If the PL continues on it's current trajectory and doesn't somehow try to level the playing field a little and induce competition, it could end up being a short term success (in context of 100+ yrs of football). As things stand, the next evolution will not be driven by the football authorities, it will be driven by TV moguls and subscribers, it will be the much talked about Euro Super league. The problem that the TV companies will then face is that unless they let the rest of the domestic leagues down gently, they will potentially lose a massive amount of subscriptions. Why would supporters of a non 'big 6' club pay a subscription to watch other teams every season? Maybe in yrs to come we'll see the end of this money mad era and the game at the top level might be given back to the fans...
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 21, 2019 17:15:44 GMT 1
You make it all sound very simple Galpharm. Guardiola is up against Klopp. Both have spent roughly the same over the last 3 seasons. Flip that on its head and place Allardyce and Moyes in charge of those two sides and you would have a completely different outcome. Fernandinho aged 33 would still be passing the ball backwards, Salah would maybe get into double figures for the season, Sterling wouldn't and Ederson would be launching balls up to Aguero. Neither would be top of the table and Pochettino would be winning his first trophy at a canter. If Guardiola took on a different challenge, lets say us for example, after one year Billing wouldn't just be potential. Money makes life easier but it doesn't grant you the ability to coach seriously think Allardyce or moyes would have city where they are..maybe not as many goals but still same position.. give Wagner the Liverpool team they would be where they are, he can coach given the materials to work with, never going to get enough clay to mould here to be top 6/7... guardiola might not take on billing, he may not get the option when he is sold ... might just try buy the ready made??? it is about the money.. they forget how to deal with very raw potential, the need for the next result overtakes everything else.. you dont have to build for next year or the year after.. the only 'skill' other than the obvious is to deal with fucking big heads and egos.. maybe you do ok and the ego's still want to play a bit on match days whatever they personally think of you.. once the player ego's get on top you go the way of Mourhino.. one 'star' falls out with you, move him on replace with another? Allardyce has almost always worked with what he has.. he then works in the sphere that he 'knows'.. give him the city squad and he has been around long enough to merely man manage as best he can whilst the team just 'do their thing'... guardiola loses the title to liverpool and he has failed as badly as any other manager in the league.. both he and klopp are guilty of calling each others teams the 'best in europe', maybe we see how that goes when the champions league starts up again..?? At least Sir Alex and others won the premier league at a time when the money was a wee bit more evenly spread? Allardyce just has that little bit of grubby around him... I think his son is an agent with a bit of a past as well, in cahoots with his Dad perhaps?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 21, 2019 17:38:24 GMT 1
seriously think Allardyce or moyes would have city where they are..maybe not as many goals but still same position.. give Wagner the Liverpool team they would be where they are, he can coach given the materials to work with, never going to get enough clay to mould here to be top 6/7... guardiola might not take on billing, he may not get the option when he is sold ... might just try buy the ready made??? it is about the money.. they forget how to deal with very raw potential, the need for the next result overtakes everything else.. you dont have to build for next year or the year after.. the only 'skill' other than the obvious is to deal with fucking big heads and egos.. maybe you do ok and the ego's still want to play a bit on match days whatever they personally think of you.. once the player ego's get on top you go the way of Mourhino.. one 'star' falls out with you, move him on replace with another? Allardyce has almost always worked with what he has.. he then works in the sphere that he 'knows'.. give him the city squad and he has been around long enough to merely man manage as best he can whilst the team just 'do their thing'... guardiola loses the title to liverpool and he has failed as badly as any other manager in the league.. both he and klopp are guilty of calling each others teams the 'best in europe', maybe we see how that goes when the champions league starts up again..?? At least Sir Alex and others won the premier league at a time when the money was a wee bit more evenly spread? Allardyce just has that little bit of grubby around him... I think his son is an agent with a bit of a past as well, in cahoots with his Dad perhaps? Allardyce might get us to concede a few less in the last 16 games.. won't help if we don't score more.. imo it would be relegation but it would just look worse than it does now... bloke coming in has 4 months free.. give it a go, try with the owner to keep the players he wants here for at least a season in the championship and use the time to get to know the English leagues and to source players that he wants to mount a good challenge next season.. Dave came in on a hiding to nothing and obviously used that time wisely, the difference being this time it looks very much like we cant survive.. Mooy, Hogg, Schindler can play with anyone next season, Kongolo looks ok with us, Billing could still be a big player for us, the rest are open to question..
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 21, 2019 17:40:54 GMT 1
Why on Earth could i not manage a football club? Why is it always ex-footballers? One of the reasons it goes wrong so often is BECAUSE they set on ex-players. Arrigo Sacchi said "i did not know that to be a jockey you have to be a horse first". Bill Nicholson was the Spurs physio. He became manager, they scored TEN v Everton in his first game and he went on to win the double. Houllier, Parreira, Sacchi, Villas-Boas, Mourinho, Rodgers, Roux, Bill Struth...all amazingly successful managers who never played professionally. Didn't say you couldn't. Sounds like you've a lot of other stuff to do before you attempt it though. Anyway, NASA have been on and said they need you to go back to Florida as you've parked the space shuttle in the wrong hangar... You must be an old stalker Fishy...said on here several times i could fly it if someone showed me how.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 21, 2019 17:48:20 GMT 1
Didn't say you couldn't. Sounds like you've a lot of other stuff to do before you attempt it though. Anyway, NASA have been on and said they need you to go back to Florida as you've parked the space shuttle in the wrong hangar... You must be an old stalker Fishy...said on here several times i could fly it if someone showed me how. I'd agree with you there, think most people could - once they've got past the difficult part of take-off and re-entry, which sadly, 2 journeys failed to negotiate those...
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 21, 2019 17:53:50 GMT 1
Why on Earth could i not manage a football club? Why is it always ex-footballers? One of the reasons it goes wrong so often is BECAUSE they set on ex-players. Arrigo Sacchi said "i did not know that to be a jockey you have to be a horse first". Bill Nicholson was the Spurs physio. He became manager, they scored TEN v Everton in his first game and he went on to win the double. Houllier, Parreira, Sacchi, Villas-Boas, Mourinho, Rodgers, Roux, Bill Struth...all amazingly successful managers who never played professionally. Not sure where you got the info on Bill Nicholson oti. Signed pro for Spurs in 1938, break for a bit of a squabble (2nd world war) restarts in 1946 and plays 314 games. Retires 1n 1955 to take up coaching, swiftly becomes manager in 1955. Got an England cap in 1951 scoring with his first touch on 19 seconds. Good old wiki. I recall reading a book that said he was promoted to manager direct from chief physio. I was a Spurs fan as a kid. Point stands...you dont need to be an ex-pro to manage.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 17:59:47 GMT 1
Not sure where you got the info on Bill Nicholson oti. Signed pro for Spurs in 1938, break for a bit of a squabble (2nd world war) restarts in 1946 and plays 314 games. Retires 1n 1955 to take up coaching, swiftly becomes manager in 1955. Got an England cap in 1951 scoring with his first touch on 19 seconds. Good old wiki. I recall reading a book that said he was promoted to manager direct from chief physio. I was a Spurs fan as a kid. Point stands...you dont need to be an ex-pro to manage. Nicholson was first team coach not physio. And they conceded 4 in his first match....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 17:59:50 GMT 1
Not sure where you got the info on Bill Nicholson oti. Signed pro for Spurs in 1938, break for a bit of a squabble (2nd world war) restarts in 1946 and plays 314 games. Retires 1n 1955 to take up coaching, swiftly becomes manager in 1955. Got an England cap in 1951 scoring with his first touch on 19 seconds. Good old wiki. I recall reading a book that said he was promoted to manager direct from chief physio. I was a Spurs fan as a kid. Point stands...you dont need to be an ex-pro to manage. No you don't, as apart from Nicholson you did give some correct examples. Though to be fair most played at a reasonably high level of tiered football.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 21, 2019 18:05:15 GMT 1
The PL is really a strange habitat, there are 4 teams that at the start think they can win it, probably 6 that think they can qualify for the Champions League and that leaves the rest, which is when it gets silly, everybody else forfeits their shot at the League and FA Cups to concentrate on the league and to finish as high as possible, isn't it a £1M bonus for every position ?
Teams do battle to nick a Europa League spot but if they get one they make 7 changes and complain of fixture congestion that endangers their chances of staying in the PL.
Fans are the same, look at ourselves at HTFC, we spent over 40 years of dreaming of getting to the promised land, then after one season in it how many fans on here saying I'm not going to Man City, Liverpool etc I went last year it was shite, soulless, no point if we won't try to compete etc.
I don't know what the answer is, I do think before long the "haves" will get their wish and a European Super League but that won't bring much pleasure for long, Barcelona will become a chore after a while and not having teams like Town that they can steamroller means the win ratio drops and for the rest ? Well two years ago in the Championship we had a bunfight for tickets for two games in particular, can't see there being the same rush when the Toon or Villa or whoever are classed as the biggest teams in the league.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 21, 2019 18:14:34 GMT 1
I recall reading a book that said he was promoted to manager direct from chief physio. I was a Spurs fan as a kid. Point stands...you dont need to be an ex-pro to manage. Nicholson was first team coach not physio. And they conceded 4 in his first match....
I will take 10-4 every match.
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Post by benhomly on Jan 21, 2019 18:18:33 GMT 1
The PL is really a strange habitat, there are 4 teams that at the start think they can win it, probably 6 that think they can qualify for the Champions League and that leaves the rest, which is when it gets silly, everybody else forfeits their shot at the League and FA Cups to concentrate on the league and to finish as high as possible, isn't it a £1M bonus for every position ? Teams do battle to nick a Europa League spot but if they get one they make 7 changes and complain of fixture congestion that endangers their chances of staying in the PL. Fans are the same, look at ourselves at HTFC, we spent over 40 years of dreaming of getting to the promised land, then after one season in it how many fans on here saying I'm not going to Man City, Liverpool etc I went last year it was shite, soulless, no point if we won't try to compete etc. I don't know what the answer is, I do think before long the "haves" will get their wish and a European Super League but that won't bring much pleasure for long, Barcelona will become a chore after a while and not having teams like Town that they can steamroller means the win ratio drops and for the rest ? Well two years ago in the Championship we had a bunfight for tickets for two games in particular, can't see there being the same rush when the Toon or Villa or whoever are classed as the biggest teams in the league. I think that sums it up very nicely.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 21, 2019 18:20:40 GMT 1
I recall reading a book that said he was promoted to manager direct from chief physio. I was a Spurs fan as a kid. Point stands...you dont need to be an ex-pro to manage. Nicholson was first team coach not physio. And they conceded 4 in his first match....
But what you fail to point out is that Tottenham scored 10 in his first match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 21:11:55 GMT 1
Nicholson was first team coach not physio. And they conceded 4 in his first match....
But what you fail to point out is that Tottenham scored 10 in his first match. Just redressing the balance
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 14:47:34 GMT 1
Man City have the shortest squad in the Prem.....Liverpool one of the shortest.
Perhaps our new manager might seek to recruit a few nippy dwarves.........:-)
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