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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 22, 2019 9:42:33 GMT 1
the 'state' of our season so far might reflect in his reaction to daft goals being given away?? if you run your arse off and someone does not make a 20 yard run to mark someone or to stay with their man it probably gets a bit hard to hold your tongue? if you instruct and encourage and lead by example and the same mistakes are made around you time after time its going to get to you, eventually? its not wether you lose, its how you lose and our 'fall' has been coming for a while.. watching the Germans fall out to some tune over the past year or so means we are not alone... That's fair enough, but he's not bollocking players for failing to move forward with pace or take an opportunity for a good through ball, and that's been a muchbigger problem than occasional defensive errors. Not saying our total lack of creativity is on him, but it's one more incentive the wrong way. we have played badly and very badly at times this season, you can live with it, its a tough league and in all honesty just about everything has gone against us but there have been games and periods in games where the concentration has totally gone missing and the graft was not enough.. losing is one thing, losing badly is another...the actual result has sometimes masked just how desperate the performance was..
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Post by bacuna on Jan 22, 2019 10:06:12 GMT 1
That's fair enough, but he's not bollocking players for failing to move forward with pace or take an opportunity for a good through ball, and that's been a muchbigger problem than occasional defensive errors. Not saying our total lack of creativity is on him, but it's one more incentive the wrong way. we have played badly and very badly at times this season, you can live with it, its a tough league and in all honesty just about everything has gone against us but there have been games and periods in games where the concentration has totally gone missing and the graft was not enough.. losing is one thing, losing badly is another...the actual result has sometimes masked just how desperate the performance was.. I wouldn't disagree with any of that, but our attacking performance has been routinely desperate since January 2018.
Maybe that is the best our players are capable of, though I don't totally buy that either. Hogg is an amazing leader when we're off the ball, but he doesn't provide on-pitch leadership at all going forward: whether that's encouraging attempts that don't come off or bollocking a failure to take opportunities.
He's always in 'siege' mentality, never in 'charge' mentality. Fair enough against City, but not helpful against Cardiff. Like I say, it's definitely not all on Hogg, I just don't think he helps in that department.
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Post by York Terrier on Jan 22, 2019 20:29:54 GMT 1
we have played badly and very badly at times this season, you can live with it, its a tough league and in all honesty just about everything has gone against us but there have been games and periods in games where the concentration has totally gone missing and the graft was not enough.. losing is one thing, losing badly is another...the actual result has sometimes masked just how desperate the performance was.. I wouldn't disagree with any of that, but our attacking performance has been routinely desperate since January 2018.
Maybe that is the best our players are capable of, though I don't totally buy that either. Hogg is an amazing leader when we're off the ball, but he doesn't provide on-pitch leadership at all going forward: whether that's encouraging attempts that don't come off or bollocking a failure to take opportunities.
He's always in 'siege' mentality, never in 'charge' mentality. Fair enough against City, but not helpful against Cardiff. Like I say, it's definitely not all on Hogg, I just don't think he helps in that department.
What do you people want he has been our most consistent player this season,he works non stop for the team and given the chance ( such as at Bournemouth) drives the team forward at every opportunity.If we had 10 more like him we would not be bottom of the league.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 20:42:03 GMT 1
I wouldn't disagree with any of that, but our attacking performance has been routinely desperate since January 2018. Maybe that is the best our players are capable of, though I don't totally buy that either. Hogg is an amazing leader when we're off the ball, but he doesn't provide on-pitch leadership at all going forward: whether that's encouraging attempts that don't come off or bollocking a failure to take opportunities.
He's always in 'siege' mentality, never in 'charge' mentality. Fair enough against City, but not helpful against Cardiff. Like I say, it's definitely not all on Hogg, I just don't think he helps in that department.
What do you people want he has been our most consistent player this season,he works non stop for the team and given the chance ( such as at Bournemouth) drives the team forward at every opportunity.If we had 10 more like him we would not be bottom of the league. With respect to Hoggy i think the goals against column would be a bit worrying.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 22, 2019 20:59:45 GMT 1
It wasn't just his defensive performance against city. He was the only one driving us forward aswell in that game.
He isn't in the team to dominate the attacking third. Thats not his department. You might as well criticise Schindler for our attacking failures!.
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Post by WirralTerrier on Jan 22, 2019 21:55:46 GMT 1
He's am absolute warrior. My favourite town player from this current squad. I've always liked him since robin's signed him ever tho he was scapegoated for most of his early town career. He was garbage to be fair in that first season. It's only since Wagner came in that he's improved massively.
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Post by bacuna on Jan 22, 2019 22:01:39 GMT 1
I wouldn't disagree with any of that, but our attacking performance has been routinely desperate since January 2018.
Maybe that is the best our players are capable of, though I don't totally buy that either. Hogg is an amazing leader when we're off the ball, but he doesn't provide on-pitch leadership at all going forward: whether that's encouraging attempts that don't come off or bollocking a failure to take opportunities.
He's always in 'siege' mentality, never in 'charge' mentality. Fair enough against City, but not helpful against Cardiff. Like I say, it's definitely not all on Hogg, I just don't think he helps in that department.
What do you people want he has been our most consistent player this season,he works non stop for the team and given the chance ( such as at Bournemouth) drives the team forward at every opportunity.If we had 10 more like him we would not be bottom of the league. Not about his playing. About what he encourages and bollocks as captain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 22:12:31 GMT 1
What do you people want he has been our most consistent player this season,he works non stop for the team and given the chance ( such as at Bournemouth) drives the team forward at every opportunity.If we had 10 more like him we would not be bottom of the league. Not about his playing. About what he encourages and bollocks as captain. I'd be surprised if he's not one of the first names on a Siewert team sheet.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 22, 2019 22:23:23 GMT 1
It wasn't just his defensive performance against city. He was the only one driving us forward aswell in that game. He isn't in the team to dominate the attacking third. Thats not his department. You might as well criticise Schindler for our attacking failures!. I am a big fan of Hogg and thought he was comfortably mom on Sun, but I really don't like how he gets excused for his shortcomings, but Billing gets bloody slaughtered for his.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 22, 2019 22:39:04 GMT 1
IMO Hogg is the epitome of the Terrier Spirit and perfect Captain.
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Post by bacuna on Jan 22, 2019 23:05:10 GMT 1
Not about his playing. About what he encourages and bollocks as captain. I'd be surprised if he's not one of the first names on a Siewert team sheet. And he should be. Should probably be captain too, but I think he has more to learn in that role. This might even be the opportunity for him to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 23:11:26 GMT 1
I'd be surprised if he's not one of the first names on a Siewert team sheet. And he should be. Should probably be captain too, but I think he has more to learn in that role. This might even be the opportunity for him to do that. Captaincy will remain with Smith when / if he's playing I believe. Doubt Siewert will change it, at least for the rest of this season anyway.
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Post by bacuna on Jan 22, 2019 23:13:47 GMT 1
And he should be. Should probably be captain too, but I think he has more to learn in that role. This might even be the opportunity for him to do that. Captaincy will remain with Smith when / if he's playing I believe. Doubt Siewert will change it, at least for the rest of this season anyway. Good point. He might me getting more time and Flo less now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 23:22:23 GMT 1
Captaincy will remain with Smith when / if he's playing I believe. Doubt Siewert will change it, at least for the rest of this season anyway. Good point. He might me getting more time and Flo less now. David Wagners team selections were difficult to predict for most of his tenure. Guess we'll see if Jan Siewert is any more predictable in time.
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Post by tvor on Jan 22, 2019 23:39:43 GMT 1
And he should be. Should probably be captain too, but I think he has more to learn in that role. This might even be the opportunity for him to do that. Captaincy will remain with Smith when / if he's playing I believe. Doubt Siewert will change it, at least for the rest of this season anyway. One of the interesting things about Wagner’s early signings is that a lot of them were captains at their former clubs. Schindler, Heff, Lowe (and others?). When Hudson was injured and/or when he called it a day the obvious choice to be captain was one of those players. I wondered at the time if Wagner held back on a German captain because this was the first time the club had a foreign manager and such an influx of foreign players. Hogg is the epitome of the Wagner ethic but I don’t *think* he or Smith were the obvious choices at the time were they?
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Captaincy will remain with Smith when / if he's playing I believe. Doubt Siewert will change it, at least for the rest of this season anyway. One of the interesting things about Wagner’s early signings is that a lot of them were captains at their former clubs. Schindler, Heff, Lowe (and others?). When Hudson was injured and/or when he called it a day the obvious choice to be captain was one of those players. I wondered at the time if Wagner held back on a German captain because this was the first time the club had a foreign manager and such an influx of foreign players. Hogg is the epitome of the Wagner ethic but I don’t *think* he or Smith were the obvious choices at the time were they? Keeping everybody happy? All those guys were new to English football and environment, enough on their plates settling in. No idea to be honest.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 23, 2019 0:23:41 GMT 1
It wasn't just his defensive performance against city. He was the only one driving us forward aswell in that game. He isn't in the team to dominate the attacking third. Thats not his department. You might as well criticise Schindler for our attacking failures!. I am a big fan of Hogg and thought he was comfortably mom on Sun, but I really don't like how he gets excused for his shortcomings, but Billing gets bloody slaughtered for his. You think he gets excused for his shortcomings? Im not sure he does myself. If anything his short comings get exaggerated IMO.. like this perpetual myth that he gives the ball away a lot and can;t pass. He knows he has limitations as a footballer so tries not to overstretch himself- he was guilty of that in his early days here, though far from garbage as someone suggested. Agree with you about Billing though. His faults get blown out of all proportion by some people. Its probably down to playing style in his case. He can look languid in the way he moves and to some that comes across as lazy so they take against him. Chances are hes moving as fast and covering the same ground as a player who look frantic though.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 23, 2019 17:51:23 GMT 1
I am a big fan of Hogg and thought he was comfortably mom on Sun, but I really don't like how he gets excused for his shortcomings, but Billing gets bloody slaughtered for his. You think he gets excused for his shortcomings? Im not sure he does myself. If anything his short comings get exaggerated IMO.. like this perpetual myth that he gives the ball away a lot and can;t pass. He knows he has limitations as a footballer so tries not to overstretch himself- he was guilty of that in his early days here, though far from garbage as someone suggested. Agree with you about Billing though. His faults get blown out of all proportion by some people. Its probably down to playing style in his case. He can look languid in the way he moves and to some that comes across as lazy so they take against him. Chances are hes moving as fast and covering the same ground as a player who look frantic though. Hogg is ok in possession, I actually compared him favourably in some respects to Williams. He still can't strike a ball that well or run with it confidently, but is certainly much more aware of his surroundings than he used to be and even occasionally plays the odd decent cross-field ball.
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Post by Macjinx on Jan 23, 2019 18:00:02 GMT 1
Maybe its the modern way todays footballers respond to? Rather than giving them a bollocking on the lines of " What the Fuck was that!!! Concentrate for fucks sake you lazy fuck!!", maybe Hoggy should go over and put his arm around his team mate. Talk about where his emotions were at the moment he couldn;t be bothered to track that runner. Gently blow on his face to wash away the negative memories of his mistake. Perhaps light some candles and join together in some quiet meditation. Well Slapps to nick some of Vivabobbyhoys material, hugging a player after he's scored is the wrong time, it's when you've just missed a sitter that you really need a hug. UTT
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Post by impact on Jan 23, 2019 21:51:28 GMT 1
I am a big fan of Hogg and thought he was comfortably mom on Sun, but I really don't like how he gets excused for his shortcomings, but Billing gets bloody slaughtered for his. You think he gets excused for his shortcomings? Im not sure he does myself. If anything his short comings get exaggerated IMO.. like this perpetual myth that he gives the ball away a lot and can;t pass. He knows he has limitations as a footballer so tries not to overstretch himself- he was guilty of that in his early days here, though far from garbage as someone suggested. Agree with you about Billing though. His faults get blown out of all proportion by some people. Its probably down to playing style in his case. He can look languid in the way he moves and to some that comes across as lazy so they take against him. Chances are hes moving as fast and covering the same ground as a player who look frantic though. He was like that in his early days because he was playing alongside Coady who was even safer.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 24, 2019 0:10:50 GMT 1
Hogg used to have a specific error that he would do on a regular basis in his early days here. The over hit ( or under hit ) crossfield pass that would end up at the feet of an opponent and put them through on goal. Its something hes pretty much cut out of his game totally these last 2 or 3 seasons. Wagner got the best out of Hogg by taking away the responsibility of having to play anything other than a very simple, ball retention pass. Left him to focus on what he can do extremely well, even at prem level, which is all about when we don;t have the ball.
If Seiverts been watching Town games as he will have done, he'll know how vital Hogg is to the side. Wouldn;t be surprised if we see a change of skipper, which is not a reflection on Smith, just an acknowledgement of the on field influence Hogg has.
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