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Post by impact on Jan 21, 2019 13:57:38 GMT 1
There isn't a chance in hell Mooy will be with us in the championship. Realistically he's too good for us now, never mind in the division below.
I can't see many clubs outside of the top 6 who wouldn't be interested in him. He'll go for a big fee which will help us rebuild a, hopefully, promotion challenging team.
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Post by deadleg on Jan 21, 2019 14:35:01 GMT 1
Yeah, on his day he gets in pretty much any team in the division outside the top six. The only things I could see maybe putting people off him would be his age (though pace obviously isn't one of his assets so perhaps not an issue) and the fact that he regularly plays on the other side of the world. Bigger teams could afford to rest him more than we can but I'm not sure they'll be willing to part with big money if he'd likely be touch and go for a guaranteed six or seven matches a season.
Then again, I don't think we'd ask for unrealistic money anyway. He's been a model pro for us as far as anyone can tell so I think we'd be likely to reward him for that by helping him get any move he wants, so long as the price is on the fair side.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 16:34:45 GMT 1
'On his day' isn;t how other clubs will rate him though. They'll look at his normal game. I think we'll get interest from prem clubs for him and would expect him to leave for £15- 20m, but I think anyone outside the top 6 wanting him is an exaggeration. I think the newly promoted clubs or a burnley or Newcastle if they stop up would be most likely. Hes a prem player but a bottom end one IMO.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jan 21, 2019 16:37:28 GMT 1
maybe he'll want to stay?
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Post by deadleg on Jan 21, 2019 16:48:27 GMT 1
Alright, I actually meant 'on his day' as in 'pretty much any time he's not knackered directly after an international break' but appreciate it could've been more clear since the phrase is somewhat ambiguous. Though, to be fair, it'd be far from the first time a club had signed someone based on their peaks rather than what they consistently produce!
And I didn't say they'd all 'want' him as such, I mean it goes without saying that we're not going to have bids from 14 Premier League clubs. But if most sides in the division had him on the books I think he'd be starting when fit, assuming he works with the system they're using.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Jan 21, 2019 16:54:06 GMT 1
Shelvey stayed with Newcastle - see no reason Mooy wouldn't do the same and at the least stay until January and see how we get on.
He's played his best football in the Championship - he hasn't been consistent enough for me for a Prem team to take him 100%.
Someone coming up maybe - but not a 100% definite like some have stated.
Every chance he'll be with us in August.
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 21, 2019 17:56:19 GMT 1
I would absolutely amazed if we didn’t receive an offer from a prem team for Mooy.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 21, 2019 18:01:05 GMT 1
Be nice to see Mooy back for the Everton game if that's possible. Be a real boost for everyone, new Mgrs first game etc...
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Post by Hank Hill on Jan 21, 2019 18:05:47 GMT 1
I would absolutely amazed if we didn’t receive an offer from a prem team for Mooy. Some team will try and give us a cheeky low offer and we'll set a price tag. We could easily double our investment at about £20 million.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 18:30:20 GMT 1
Alright, I actually meant 'on his day' as in 'pretty much any time he's not knackered directly after an international break' but appreciate it could've been more clear since the phrase is somewhat ambiguous. Though, to be fair, it'd be far from the first time a club had signed someone based on their peaks rather than what they consistently produce! And I didn't say they'd all 'want' him as such, I mean it goes without saying that we're not going to have bids from 14 Premier League clubs. But if most sides in the division had him on the books I think he'd be starting when fit, assuming he works with the system they're using. Im not sure about that myself. Its far from his fault alone, but he is a creative player and we are a team that creates very little. He has a part to play in that. I think most will feel they have better already, though Im sure quite a few would love him as an option in their squads- though whether theyd be willing to stump up £15-20m for that is another matter. Can see both Billing and Mooy staying in the prem if we go down, but cos of his age Billing is the one that higher clubs will be interested in IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 18:47:13 GMT 1
I think both Mooy and Billing are decent players, but they havent been able to significantly affect Towns progress this season. They have from time to time been stand out players from our perspective but have rarely been game changers/ match winners.i wouldnt be surprised if we got more modest sums than numbers being touted when they leave.
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Post by deadleg on Jan 21, 2019 18:47:36 GMT 1
Agree re: Billing for sure due to his potential.
I think most will see that there's mitigating circumstances with Mooy and the players around him. I don't think he's just a creative player either, he can battle and tackle better than he's often given credit for and he's transitioned more and more into a deep-lying link player than anything else. Ideally he should be keeping things ticking over and playing intelligent passes to those in front of him who'd then the lion's share of the creating, whilst chipping in with the occasional goal and assist. I think he's kept his end up quite well in the circumstances, for the most part. He can't keep the necessary discipline in his position and try to run the attack on his own.
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Post by niggled on Jan 21, 2019 18:58:09 GMT 1
I have no idea if he would stay or go , but I was told in the summer that he didn't want to move south. His wife is Scottish I believe and she likes her family to visit . So if he were to leave I could see him at Everton, Burnley or Newcastle. God forbid if those arsholes got promoted and he went there.
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Post by mozzie on Jan 21, 2019 19:04:28 GMT 1
Can the Australian national team stop him from playing as he would have been on international due if not injured? Should we be more worried about them progressing to the later stages of the cup and calling him up because he's back to fitness? He wasn't included in the final squad, which needed to be sorted shortly before the tournament began so the answer is no.
Australia are still in it at this stage but are making hard work of it, winning the latest match on a penalty shootout.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 21, 2019 19:18:57 GMT 1
We have an option on Durm, so he cant or might not leave for free. Potentially we could lose.... Lossl, Durm, Zanka, Kongolo, Billing, Mooy, Depoitre (out of contract) I think the rest would probably stay as there wouldn't be many takers. 5 +2.5 + 8 + 15 + 20 + 20 + 0 = 70m I think 70 million for them would be optimistic, but it would leave a decent war chest and a decent amount of wages to have a go at replacing them with sufficient quality in the championship. £8m for Zanka? Really? A bit iffy Lossl will stay. Durm will go to be a squad player £5m - if he stays fit this year. Zanka £15m Komgolo £15m -£20m Billing £30m Schindler £30m sadly Mooy £30m + 6 to city Laurent -Hope he stays if in champs
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Post by deadleg on Jan 21, 2019 19:20:43 GMT 1
That's.. Optimistic.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 21, 2019 19:21:10 GMT 1
Yeah, on his day he gets in pretty much any team in the division outside the top six. The only things I could see maybe putting people off him would be his age (though pace obviously isn't one of his assets so perhaps not an issue) and the fact that he regularly plays on the other side of the world. Bigger teams could afford to rest him more than we can but I'm not sure they'll be willing to part with big money if he'd likely be touch and go for a guaranteed six or seven matches a season. Then again, I don't think we'd ask for unrealistic money anyway. He's been a model pro for us as far as anyone can tell so I think we'd be likely to reward him for that by helping him get any move he wants, so long as the price is on the fair side. I think the limitations of the players around him hide his true talent. Could be in a united or Chelsea squad.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 19:21:38 GMT 1
A bit iffy Lossl will stay. Durm will go to be a squad player £5m - if he stays fit this year. Zanka £15m Komgolo £15m -£20m Billing £30m Schindler £30m sadly Mooy £30m + 6 to city Laurent -Hope he stays if in champs
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Im staggered by your figures but i hope you are right
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 19:24:46 GMT 1
Yeah, on his day he gets in pretty much any team in the division outside the top six. The only things I could see maybe putting people off him would be his age (though pace obviously isn't one of his assets so perhaps not an issue) and the fact that he regularly plays on the other side of the world. Bigger teams could afford to rest him more than we can but I'm not sure they'll be willing to part with big money if he'd likely be touch and go for a guaranteed six or seven matches a season. Then again, I don't think we'd ask for unrealistic money anyway. He's been a model pro for us as far as anyone can tell so I think we'd be likely to reward him for that by helping him get any move he wants, so long as the price is on the fair side. I think the limitations of the players around him hide his true talent. Could be in a united or Chelsea squad. Drinkwater and Barkley hardly get much game time at Chelsea and suggest they might be a little bit ahead of Mooy & Billing but again hope you are right
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 21, 2019 19:29:01 GMT 1
Should we be more worried about them progressing to the later stages of the cup and calling him up because he's back to fitness? He wasn't included in the final squad, which needed to be sorted shortly before the tournament began so the answer is no.
Australia are still in it at this stage but are making hard work of it, winning the latest match on a penalty shootout.
Cool that’s good to know cheers
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Post by deepc on Jan 21, 2019 20:10:03 GMT 1
A bit iffy Lossl will stay. Durm will go to be a squad player £5m - if he stays fit this year. Zanka £15m Komgolo £15m -£20m Billing £30m Schindler £30m sadly Mooy £30m + 6 to city Laurent -Hope he stays if in champs
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Im staggered by your figures but i hope you are right 30 m for Shindie Think your decimal point is in the wrong place. Thought Durm was a loanee No chance lossl will stay
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 20:39:31 GMT 1
Alright, I actually meant 'on his day' as in 'pretty much any time he's not knackered directly after an international break' but appreciate it could've been more clear since the phrase is somewhat ambiguous. Though, to be fair, it'd be far from the first time a club had signed someone based on their peaks rather than what they consistently produce! And I didn't say they'd all 'want' him as such, I mean it goes without saying that we're not going to have bids from 14 Premier League clubs. But if most sides in the division had him on the books I think he'd be starting when fit, assuming he works with the system they're using. Im not sure about that myself. Its far from his fault alone, but he is a creative player and we are a team that creates very little. He has a part to play in that. I think most will feel they have better already, though Im sure quite a few would love him as an option in their squads- though whether theyd be willing to stump up £15-20m for that is another matter. Can see both Billing and Mooy staying in the prem if we go down, but cos of his age Billing is the one that higher clubs will be interested in IMO. Bollocks that mate! Billing had potential at 18. Now he is too lazy, he's not moved on blah blah blah blah blah
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 21, 2019 20:45:53 GMT 1
Schindler is good but not that good at 29! Which is the reason I think we have a chance keeping Mooy, who I'd say more likely 15-20m..
Billing is the one I'm seeing going first, I can't see Durm staying beyond a year, he was haggling about joining us in the first place!
Zanka is ambitious, I can see him going and Kongolo too.
Personally I'd be devastated if we lost Hoggy!
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 20:52:43 GMT 1
Don;t think any prem club would come in for either Schindler or Zanka. Least not with an offer that would tempt us. A year ago they would have for schindler but hes not looked anything special this season. £10m tops IMO. If someone was bidding for Zanka, it would be around the £5m mark IMO but couldn't see a PL team being interested. And if we put Kongolo up for sale i doubt we'd get close to our money back. Hes another who hasn't looked the same player this season. £10m maybe.
Don;t think Lossl is bound to move on. Who higher than the top end of the championship ( where we'll be hopefully if we go down ) would have him as number 1 ? Hes settled in the area, kids in school etc, so why leave? Think he'll be more concerned with the new boss bringing in a different keeper.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 21, 2019 20:55:35 GMT 1
Wouldn't be bothered one bit if Durm doesn't stay. Nowhere near as good as I was expecting for someone with Germany caps
I think all his injuries have taken away what used to be his stand out attributes
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 21, 2019 21:02:25 GMT 1
Schindler showed a lot of loyalty to his old club TSV 1860 Munchen. I get the impression he’s a loyal type and I suspect he’ll stay on. Wouldn’t be surprised if Mooy stays on too - other posters mentioned Shelvey at Newcastle - not a bad analogy (in lots of ways).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 21:03:53 GMT 1
What we really need ( painful as it may be ) is a wealthly club coming up from the championship, a team that has all but conquered europe with plenty of money to spend to maximise our return on a few of our better players. We should make them pay top top prices, what else ? better than wasting it on goldfish.
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 21, 2019 21:18:52 GMT 1
Wouldn't be bothered one bit if Durm doesn't stay. Nowhere near as good as I was expecting for someone with Germany caps I think all his injuries have taken away what used to be his stand out attributes I never judged him on those caps and his WC medal as that's probably been German's weakest position for the last 10years but I'd like to see him stay, there's a good player in there just not had a consistent chance in one position. I think he'd walk it in the Championship! Wonder what the relationship is like between him and Siewert..
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jan 21, 2019 22:29:42 GMT 1
Difference is that Shelvey was on a ‘Newcastle’ contract, unless DH sorts a new improved contract with Mooy, I can’t see him staying. Personally, I can see Wolves making a bid for him to replace Moutinho. Nothing like buying a player that has carved you up.
Anyone quoting more than £10m for Schindler is on drugs. His form has been awful this year and looks a shadow of a player that he was. In the PL, you need a minimum of 2 really good years for teams to take notice and pay big bucks, unfortunately he’s only had one.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 21, 2019 22:43:21 GMT 1
Difference is that Shelvey was on a ‘Newcastle’ contract, unless DH sorts a new improved contract with Mooy, I can’t see him staying. Personally, I can see Wolves making a bid for him to replace Moutinho. Nothing like buying a player that has carved you up. Anyone quoting more than £10m for Schindler is on drugs. His form has been awful this year and looks a shadow of a player that he was. In the PL, you need a minimum of 2 really good years for teams to take notice and pay big bucks, unfortunately he’s only had one. Schindler hasn't been awful, but certainly a noticeable dip from last year. Saying that, it's closer to the truth than £30m.
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