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Post by Convictatthemac on Jan 21, 2019 22:45:55 GMT 1
Difference is that Shelvey was on a ‘Newcastle’ contract, unless DH sorts a new improved contract with Mooy, I can’t see him staying. Personally, I can see Wolves making a bid for him to replace Moutinho. Nothing like buying a player that has carved you up. Anyone quoting more than £10m for Schindler is on drugs. His form has been awful this year and looks a shadow of a player that he was. In the PL, you need a minimum of 2 really good years for teams to take notice and pay big bucks, unfortunately he’s only had one. Schindler hasn't been awful, but certainly a noticeable from last years. Saying that, it's closer to the truth than £30m. Awful might be harsh, but he’s certainly a long way off last years form.
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Post by Stiggy on Jan 21, 2019 22:46:48 GMT 1
Realistically non of our players will be touted by premier league teams, especially not at the prices that temp us to sell anyway. If we had some young English talent then maybe a few would take a chance to try and improve them but we don’t.
Billing might go, but that’s not a big loss imo.
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Post by est1908 on Jan 21, 2019 22:59:27 GMT 1
Schindler hasn't been awful, but certainly a noticeable from last years. Saying that, it's closer to the truth than £30m. Awful might be harsh, but he’s certainly a long way off last years form. Our defence hasn't been a problem though has it? I'd say we've been pretty solid, a few daft tackles, deflections... Most defeats by one goal, when we've missed chances at the other end. We could have a great spine to build around, if we go down. Would Schindler, Kongolo, Mooy, Billing, Hogg & Mounie stick around for DH and the new manager? Time will tell.... ....we might stay up yet!
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 21, 2019 23:01:58 GMT 1
The question of loyalty by our current crop of players also should contain the wildcard that is their loss of earnings due to the relegation clause in their contracts, at the time this was just small print for them, as most were signed to immediately earn the higher PL salary within the contract.
If these players are able to attract offers from clubs here or abroad, who can pay them more than we can in the Championship then they will push for a move. I hope we can hang on to the majority of them as it will aid our challenge next season but I expect there will be a major turnover in staff in the summer when if, as expected, we are relegated.
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Post by diceman on Jan 21, 2019 23:09:44 GMT 1
IF the worst happens, I can't see Mooy staying. I think maybe leister or wolves will take him. He will want to play in the Premier league and I can't blame him. He deserves it. Billing will be gone in the summer regardless. I can't see us taking the option on Durm as it will probably be for the same wages. Kongolo will probably stay as he has a longer contract and we won't sell for less than we paid. Unless he looks to force a move. But that would need a club willing to put up a fight for him which I can't see. Zanka can go for me. I don't think he is a bad player. Just not as good as he thinks he is.
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Post by est1908 on Jan 21, 2019 23:17:36 GMT 1
The question of loyalty by our current crop of players also should contain the wildcard that is their loss of earnings due to the relegation clause in their contracts, at the time this was just small print for them, as most were signed to immediately earn the higher PL salary within the contract. If these players are able to attract offers from clubs here or abroad, who can pay them more than we can in the Championship then they will push for a move. I hope we can hang on to the majority of them as it will aid our challenge next season but I expect there will be a major turnover in staff in the summer when if, as expected, we are relegated. The players I've mentioned were earning less 18 months ago, than they would with us in the Championship next season. They will have had a couple of good years earning by then, they might be loyal to HTFC, DH and JS and have no better offers, whilst still been contracted to us? I don't think they will be offered longer term, higher earning contracts from anywhere else? It needs a club to want them and pay what we value them at, to even start them thinking doesn't it?
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 21, 2019 23:31:01 GMT 1
The question of loyalty by our current crop of players also should contain the wildcard that is their loss of earnings due to the relegation clause in their contracts, at the time this was just small print for them, as most were signed to immediately earn the higher PL salary within the contract. If these players are able to attract offers from clubs here or abroad, who can pay them more than we can in the Championship then they will push for a move. I hope we can hang on to the majority of them as it will aid our challenge next season but I expect there will be a major turnover in staff in the summer when if, as expected, we are relegated. The players I've mentioned were earning less 18 months ago, than they would with us in the Championship next season. They will have had a couple of good years earning by then, they might be loyal to HTFC, DH and JS and have no better offers, whilst still been contracted to us? I don't think they will be offered longer term, higher earning contracts from anywhere else? It needs a club to want them and pay what we value them at, to even start them thinking doesn't it? Not sure you can confidently say that about Mooy, Kongolo and Mouniè (3 of the 6 players you listed). The loyalty of the most loyal players would always be tested if they can get more money playing elsewhere.
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Post by champ on Jan 21, 2019 23:34:56 GMT 1
Keeping hold of Mooy would be a great accomplishment which would feel just as good as a promotion. Can't rate him highly enough.
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Post by est1908 on Jan 21, 2019 23:37:47 GMT 1
The players I've mentioned were earning less 18 months ago, than they would with us in the Championship next season. They will have had a couple of good years earning by then, they might be loyal to HTFC, DH and JS and have no better offers, whilst still been contracted to us? I don't think they will be offered longer term, higher earning contracts from anywhere else? It needs a club to want them and pay what we value them at, to even start them thinking doesn't it? Not sure you can confidently say that about Mooy, Kongolo and Mouniè (3 of the 6 players you listed). The loyalty of the most loyal players would always be tested if they can get more money playing elsewhere. I know Doc, I just think, what I think! I think Mooy especially will stick by us, it's all about who might want them and what they are prepared to pay....
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Post by arry11 on Jan 21, 2019 23:50:52 GMT 1
A nice promotion incentive may help soften the loss of any wages obviously in the end it will be down to the size of any bids that we receive for someone who wishes to move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 0:32:33 GMT 1
[quote author=" Convictatthemac" Nothing like buying a player that has carved you up [/quote] A bit like Town buying Junior Mendes then...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 0:34:48 GMT 1
Keeping hold of Mooy would be a great accomplishment which would feel just as good as a promotion. Can't rate him highly enough. I rate him 100 % more than I did since he's been injured.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jan 22, 2019 0:55:33 GMT 1
Awful might be harsh, but he’s certainly a long way off last years form. Our defence hasn't been a problem though has it? I'd say we've been pretty solid, a few daft tackles, deflections... Most defeats by one goal, when we've missed chances at the other end. We could have a great spine to build around, if we go down. Would Schindler, Kongolo, Mooy, Billing, Hogg & Mounie stick around for DH and the new manager? Time will tell.... ....we might stay up yet! for the most part they have been ok, it’s just been the stupid soft goals that have been costing us. At the end of the day, it’s relegation form defence. What’s cut us adrift so early is the strikers. If we had the defence of say Newcastle, Brighton or Palace, we wouldn’t be adrift.
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Post by est1908 on Jan 22, 2019 1:05:10 GMT 1
Our defence hasn't been a problem though has it? I'd say we've been pretty solid, a few daft tackles, deflections... Most defeats by one goal, when we've missed chances at the other end. We could have a great spine to build around, if we go down. Would Schindler, Kongolo, Mooy, Billing, Hogg & Mounie stick around for DH and the new manager? Time will tell.... ....we might stay up yet! for the most part they have been ok, it’s just been the stupid soft goals that have been costing us. At the end of the day, it’s relegation form defence. What’s cut us adrift so early is the strikers. If we had the defence of say Newcastle, Brighton or Palace, we wouldn’t be adrift. I'm not sure what you mean, you contradict a little bit?
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Post by champ on Jan 22, 2019 1:30:17 GMT 1
Keeping hold of Mooy would be a great accomplishment which would feel just as good as a promotion. Can't rate him highly enough. I rate him 100 % more than I did since he's been injured. His value can only have doubled. I genuinely think we could have been on about 23 points at least with him not missing those games. That's football...
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Post by rayveallrules on Jan 22, 2019 1:33:55 GMT 1
A bit iffy Lossl will stay. Durm will go to be a squad player £5m - if he stays fit this year. Zanka £15m Komgolo £15m -£20m Billing £30m Schindler £30m sadly Mooy £30m + 6 to city Laurent -Hope he stays if in champs
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Any chance of scoring whatever you're on? Zanka 5 Kongolo 15 Billing 15 Mooy 20 Schindler 7.5 Hogg 5 Diakhaby 3.5 Van la Parra 3 Sohbi 2 De Poitre free Durm free Flo free Massive clear out like Swansea.Finish where they probably will,12-16th and then a play off spot 20-21 season.
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Post by champ on Jan 22, 2019 1:41:16 GMT 1
A bit iffy Lossl will stay. Durm will go to be a squad player £5m - if he stays fit this year. Zanka £15m Komgolo £15m -£20m Billing £30m Schindler £30m sadly Mooy £30m + 6 to city Laurent -Hope he stays if in champs
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Any chance of scoring whatever you're on? Zanka 5 Kongolo 15 Billing 15 Mooy 20 Schindler 7.5 Hogg 5 Diakhaby 3.5 Van la Parra 3 Sohbi 2 De Poitre free Durm free Flo free Massive clear out like Swansea.Finish where they probably will,12-16th and then a play off spot 20-21 season. Can't disagree with any of that pricing. 30 million for Schindler, that was funny.
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Post by sussexnomad on Jan 22, 2019 1:52:12 GMT 1
A bit iffy Lossl will stay. Durm will go to be a squad player £5m - if he stays fit this year. Zanka £15m Komgolo £15m -£20m Billing £30m Schindler £30m sadly Mooy £30m + 6 to city Laurent -Hope he stays if in champs
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Utterly ridiculous those valuations. No chance in hell you would get 30 million for Mooy and Schindler. Both are 29 this season. This isn't football manger. You would be lucky to get 10- 12 million each. As for Billing no chance of 30 million either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 2:11:37 GMT 1
A bit iffy Lossl will stay. Durm will go to be a squad player £5m - if he stays fit this year. Zanka £15m Komgolo £15m -£20m Billing £30m Schindler £30m sadly Mooy £30m + 6 to city Laurent -Hope he stays if in champs
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Utterly ridiculous those valuations. No chance in hell you would get 30 million for Mooy and Schindler. Both are 29 this season. This isn't football manger. You would be lucky to get 10- 12 million each. As for Billing no chance of 30 million either. Youre right there, it isnt football manger, its not even football manager Are you still lonely ?
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jan 22, 2019 2:40:22 GMT 1
for the most part they have been ok, it’s just been the stupid soft goals that have been costing us. At the end of the day, it’s relegation form defence. What’s cut us adrift so early is the strikers. If we had the defence of say Newcastle, Brighton or Palace, we wouldn’t be adrift. I'm not sure what you mean, you contradict a little bit? What I was trying to say, we would still be in the bottom 5 or so facing a relegation battle based on our defending. We have currently conceded 40 goals which is similar to Fulham, Cardiff, Southhampton and Burnley. There is definitely room to improve on our defence to the equivalent of Newcastle, Palace and Brighton, who’ve conceded low 30’s.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 22, 2019 8:20:49 GMT 1
IF the worst happens, I can't see Mooy staying. I think maybe leister or wolves will take him. He will want to play in the Premier league and I can't blame him. He deserves it. Billing will be gone in the summer regardless. I can't see us taking the option on Durm as it will probably be for the same wages. Kongolo will probably stay as he has a longer contract and we won't sell for less than we paid. Unless he looks to force a move. But that would need a club willing to put up a fight for him which I can't see. Zanka can go for me. I don't think he is a bad player. Just not as good as he thinks he is. You've said a couple of things in there I've also heard others say that I just don't get: 1) I hope Kongola stays, but we won't have a stance of not selling him unless it's for more than what we paid. We'll make a judgement on the present facts and circumstances. 2) What has Zanka done to give the impression he thinks he is better than he is? I've not seen that in the slightest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 9:15:40 GMT 1
Recently bought his and his wife’s ‘dream house’, as well as having another baby. I think it would have to be a very tempting offer to make him uproot again, he seems to be a big family man.
If we can keep his PL wages I have a feeling, admittedly hugely optimistic, we may convince him to stay for one more year.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 22, 2019 9:32:05 GMT 1
Recently bought his and his wife’s ‘dream house’, as well as having another baby. I think it would have to be a very tempting offer to make him uproot again, he seems to be a big family man. If we can keep his PL wages I have a feeling, admittedly hugely optimistic, we may convince him to stay for one more year. Leeds 😬🙈
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Post by diceman on Jan 22, 2019 18:13:37 GMT 1
IF the worst happens, I can't see Mooy staying. I think maybe leister or wolves will take him. He will want to play in the Premier league and I can't blame him. He deserves it. Billing will be gone in the summer regardless. I can't see us taking the option on Durm as it will probably be for the same wages. Kongolo will probably stay as he has a longer contract and we won't sell for less than we paid. Unless he looks to force a move. But that would need a club willing to put up a fight for him which I can't see. Zanka can go for me. I don't think he is a bad player. Just not as good as he thinks he is. You've said a couple of things in there I've also heard others say that I just don't get: 1) I hope Kongola stays, but we won't have a stance of not selling him unless it's for more than what we paid. We'll make a judgement on the present facts and circumstances. 2) What has Zanka done to give the impression he thinks he is better than he is? I've not seen that in the slightest. I will concede the point on Kongolo. Zanka has done an interview stating he wants to play higher up the league. I don't really blame him. He is ambitious and will back his own talent. I just think he is at his level. Lower prem upper champ. I don't have any problem with the lad though.
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Post by niggled on Jan 22, 2019 18:29:28 GMT 1
Recently bought his and his wife’s ‘dream house’, as well as having another baby. I think it would have to be a very tempting offer to make him uproot again, he seems to be a big family man. If we can keep his PL wages I have a feeling, admittedly hugely optimistic, we may convince him to stay for one more year. Leeds 😬🙈 You don't get promoted in January. Hopefully they will be a championship club next season .
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Post by mallyb on Jan 22, 2019 18:36:44 GMT 1
You've said a couple of things in there I've also heard others say that I just don't get: 1) I hope Kongola stays, but we won't have a stance of not selling him unless it's for more than what we paid. We'll make a judgement on the present facts and circumstances. 2) What has Zanka done to give the impression he thinks he is better than he is? I've not seen that in the slightest. I will concede the point on Kongolo. Zanka has done an interview stating he wants to play higher up the league. I don't really blame him. He is ambitious and will back his own talent. I just think he is at his level. Lower prem upper champ. I don't have any problem with the lad though. I don't think Zanka said this. His national team coach said he should be at a better club than Huddersfield. VLP said Huddersfield were a stepping stone in his career.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 22, 2019 18:47:18 GMT 1
You've said a couple of things in there I've also heard others say that I just don't get: 1) I hope Kongola stays, but we won't have a stance of not selling him unless it's for more than what we paid. We'll make a judgement on the present facts and circumstances. 2) What has Zanka done to give the impression he thinks he is better than he is? I've not seen that in the slightest. I will concede the point on Kongolo. Zanka has done an interview stating he wants to play higher up the league. I don't really blame him. He is ambitious and will back his own talent. I just think he is at his level. Lower prem upper champ. I don't have any problem with the lad though. Saying that does not necessarily equate to thinking you are better than you really are.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 22, 2019 18:49:17 GMT 1
I will concede the point on Kongolo. Zanka has done an interview stating he wants to play higher up the league. I don't really blame him. He is ambitious and will back his own talent. I just think he is at his level. Lower prem upper champ. I don't have any problem with the lad though. I don't think Zanka said this. His national team coach said he should be at a better club than Huddersfield. VLP said Huddersfield were a stepping stone in his career. He was right. He stepped up to the prem with us, then stepped back down to the championship with Boro.
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Post by jjamez on Jan 22, 2019 18:56:29 GMT 1
Whilst a player has a contract, we can ask what we want for a player, whether we receive that is another question.
If we value say mooy at 15mil but the max someone is willing to pay is 10mil then mooy is worth 10mil its just up to us if we accept, likewise if someone is willing to pay 20mil, then he is worth 20mil.
Essentially our players are only worth what someone else is willing to pay, not the other way around, we just decide if we accept the offer.
The things I will say is, are we going down, almost certainly, but we will not be poor financially in the championship like we used to be, we wont be under financial pressure to sell like we used to be, so a lot of the cards will be in our hands this time.
We also dont know which of our players will be wanted (if any) by another team that could make an offer we want to accept, if no one makes an offer for a player then that player wont be leaving whether he wants to or not.
The final thing is that dean hoyle generally does well at getting a good deal for the club when it comes to selling players, he must play hard ball and see how desperate the other party is for a player and go from there. So if someone wants a billing, a mooy, a kongolo, I'd back hoyle to get a good deal for us regardless of who it is or what league we are in.
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Post by diceman on Jan 22, 2019 19:20:32 GMT 1
I don't think Zanka said this. His national team coach said he should be at a better club than Huddersfield. VLP said Huddersfield were a stepping stone in his career.[/quote]
Maybe I've got my wires crossed.
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