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Post by space hardware on Apr 7, 2019 13:32:21 GMT 1
Why did he let Stuart Webber walk out of the back door? Or Ross Wilson for that matter, ambition wasn't here for them with the clubs player recruitment policy. They had better offers and better player profiles to scout/aquire. He's not beyond criticism is Sir Dean but he works to his budget and thats that He does. Our current fan base, in come streams and potential isn't that levels of of the likes of Norwich or Southampton. The two sides the previous DOFs went to. We are on a par with the size of Bournmouth. But they spent a fair packet to get where they are, an established premier league side. They didn't spend within their means but had a wealthier owner than Hoyle. Norwich have got a ground capacity of just 27,000. I know they've got a large catchment area but have never really done anything in the game to suggest they are a sleeping giant or have huge potential.
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Post by mids on Apr 7, 2019 13:46:30 GMT 1
Could of course be complete BS made up by Town fans putting two and two together and getting eight then passing it on as gospel. Most rumours among town fans turn out to be BS. Always been the same. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Depends on who is saying it. Some folk have previous for being on the ball
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 7, 2019 14:42:43 GMT 1
He does. Our current fan base, in come streams and potential isn't that levels of of the likes of Norwich or Southampton. The two sides the previous DOFs went to. We are on a par with the size of Bournmouth. But they spent a fair packet to get where they are, an established premier league side. They didn't spend within their means but had a wealthier owner than Hoyle. Norwich have got a ground capacity of just 27,000. I know they've got a large catchment area but have never really done anything in the game to suggest they are a sleeping giant or have huge potential. No but they do generally fill that and have been far more active in the top flight than we have in modern history. You can understand Webber’s thinking at that point. We’re a miles bigger club than Bournemouth. It’s not even a debate to be had.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Apr 7, 2019 15:07:05 GMT 1
Could of course be complete BS made up by Town fans putting two and two together and getting eight then passing it on as gospel. Most rumours among town fans turn out to be BS. Always been the same. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Depends on who is saying it. Some folk have previous for being on the ball Has your 'source' heard anything Mids
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Post by dugnet on Apr 7, 2019 15:14:29 GMT 1
Norwich have got a ground capacity of just 27,000. I know they've got a large catchment area but have never really done anything in the game to suggest they are a sleeping giant or have huge potential. No but they do generally fill that and have been far more active in the top flight than we have in modern history. You can understand Webber’s thinking at that point. We’re a miles bigger club than Bournemouth. It’s not even a debate to be had. I'm not sure that the debate about the size of the club is of any consequence. It comes down to if we are seen as a good investment. How many of our season ticket holders would renew if the price was significantly increased. Size of club is a tenuous measure. It makes me laugh as people take solace in the size of the club and act indigent if performances on the pitch don't match what people think they should be. Bournemouth may not have our history but doesn't make them any less entitled to their success. There will be supporters who have loyally followed their club for years, they are no less entitled to success to any fan of any club. They are fortunate to have a benefactor who has backed their success. We have been immensely fortunate to have DH. However if he moves on here can leave with immense credit and as a true hero. If, and it is very much an if, he does golfers soon getting a "Mr Bournemouth" wouldn't be a bad outcome at all. It's about how anyone sees the investment potential and what they believe is achievable. These people are few and far between, in fact most who take the challenge on fail...Villa, Derby, Wednesday, Forest...all "bigger" clubs who have had investment that has failed to deliver the success these clubs believe that their supporters think they are entitled to. I can't abide that entitled attitude. If we do have a change of owner we would have to very lucky to get someone with a clear plan and the pockets to underpin it. One thing is for sure is that they wouldn't be DH, there's only one DH.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 7, 2019 16:21:08 GMT 1
Even if it's to a group or person who has a few billion and wants to invest heavily in the squad and club in general? You'd be absolutely mad to not want that Depends to what extent you mean invest? If you're thinking along the lines of Man C, or even someone like Fulham I'm not sure that's for me. I'd rather we didn't sell out purely to buy success, that's not sport...
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Post by detox on Apr 7, 2019 16:32:07 GMT 1
If Bournemouth could find a wealthy backer, considering their previous history,I don't see why we can't. how much does Dean want for the club did he say, £40m or £60m ? ThenI suppose a serious investor would need to stump up another £150m or so for squad strenghthening... and continue to invest year on year..A good year in the PL would just about pay for thr clubs running costs so there's no foreseeable profit in thev enture unless you're happy to just make 5% on your investment and take out £10m a year for yourself...
Who though ? Chinese, Russian, American, Saudi's.....I guess if we have the 'right sort of owners' it doesn't matter..but we're talking people with Billions rather than mere hundreds of millions.....
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Apr 7, 2019 16:52:30 GMT 1
If Bournemouth could find a wealthy backer, considering their previous history,I don't see why we can't. how much does Dean want for the club did he say, £40m or £60m ? ThenI suppose a serious investor would need to stump up another £150m or so for squad strenghthening... and continue to invest year on year..A good year in the PL would just about pay for thr clubs running costs so there's no foreseeable profit in thev enture unless you're happy to just make 5% on your investment and take out £10m a year for yourself... Who though ? Chinese, Russian, American, Saudi's.....I guess if we have the 'right sort of owners' it doesn't matter..but we're talking people with Billions rather than mere hundreds of millions..... Fair analysis, the only factors could have impact an investment could be - The value of the £, we area historically a cheap currency with plenty of upside if the recent economic and political bullshit works out well. - Ego, overseas owners see it as a "new toy", we have attracted a lot of positives for our support and "little dog" in a big fight identity. Sometimes people need to spend money fro "other" reasons. UTT
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Apr 7, 2019 17:02:45 GMT 1
Spoke to a variety of fans/friends yesterday, all unconnected but this seemed to be the prominent talking point. As it stands we are still quite attractive as get parachute payments good support and a few playing assets to sell on, good exposure as an ex prem team at least for next 2 years as we try get back. Can't fault deano if he does sell he has engineered memories I never thought I'd see, town in prem up against the best. Supposedly 3 or 4 consortiums were looking at Bolton including one headed up by Peter Kenyon. Kenyon was also rumoured to be leading a consortium to buy Newcastle but couldn't afford Ashley's asking price. Surely Town is a great platform for these guys. Stable club in the black with recent global exposure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 17:05:04 GMT 1
If Bournemouth could find a wealthy backer, considering their previous history,I don't see why we can't. how much does Dean want for the club did he say, £40m or £60m ? ThenI suppose a serious investor would need to stump up another £150m or so for squad strenghthening... and continue to invest year on year..A good year in the PL would just about pay for thr clubs running costs so there's no foreseeable profit in thev enture unless you're happy to just make 5% on your investment and take out £10m a year for yourself... Who though ? Chinese, Russian, American, Saudi's.....I guess if we have the 'right sort of owners' it doesn't matter..but we're talking people with Billions rather than mere hundreds of millions..... From the available info, DH is currently worth considerably more than Bournemouth's owner.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 17:11:27 GMT 1
If Bournemouth could find a wealthy backer, considering their previous history,I don't see why we can't. how much does Dean want for the club did he say, £40m or £60m ? ThenI suppose a serious investor would need to stump up another £150m or so for squad strenghthening... and continue to invest year on year..A good year in the PL would just about pay for thr clubs running costs so there's no foreseeable profit in thev enture unless you're happy to just make 5% on your investment and take out £10m a year for yourself... Who though ? Chinese, Russian, American, Saudi's.....I guess if we have the 'right sort of owners' it doesn't matter..but we're talking people with Billions rather than mere hundreds of millions..... From the available info, DH is currently worth considerably more than Bournemouth's owner. Allegedly. No one knows how much Bournemouth's owner is worth, it's guesswork.
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Post by conman on Apr 7, 2019 17:25:03 GMT 1
If Bournemouth could find a wealthy backer, considering their previous history,I don't see why we can't. how much does Dean want for the club did he say, £40m or £60m ? ThenI suppose a serious investor would need to stump up another £150m or so for squad strenghthening... and continue to invest year on year..A good year in the PL would just about pay for thr clubs running costs so there's no foreseeable profit in thev enture unless you're happy to just make 5% on your investment and take out £10m a year for yourself... Who though ? Chinese, Russian, American, Saudi's.....I guess if we have the 'right sort of owners' it doesn't matter..but we're talking people with Billions rather than mere hundreds of millions..... Don't think I've ever laughed at the word 'mere' before, till now that is.
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Post by k1man999 on Apr 7, 2019 17:45:05 GMT 1
Spoke to a variety of fans/friends yesterday, all unconnected but this seemed to be the prominent talking point. As it stands we are still quite attractive as get parachute payments good support and a few playing assets to sell on, good exposure as an ex prem team at least for next 2 years as we try get back. Can't fault deano if he does sell he has engineered memories I never thought I'd see, town in prem up against the best. Supposedly 3 or 4 consortiums were looking at Bolton including one headed up by Peter Kenyon. Kenyon was also rumoured to be leading a consortium to buy Newcastle but couldn't afford Ashley's asking price. Surely Town is a great platform for these guys. Stable club in the black with recent global exposure. Gotta say Kenyon was in back of my mind. There was that rumour a bit back of a yank being interested
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 18:02:44 GMT 1
Whatever the truth of the matter and whatever the outcome, I'm confident many will agree that DH will have left the club in a far better state than he found it.
Ultimately, that is all you can really expect from an owner.
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Post by hypotenuse on Apr 7, 2019 20:44:17 GMT 1
From the available info, DH is currently worth considerably more than Bournemouth's owner. Allegedly. No one knows how much Bournemouth's owner is worth, it's guesswork. Precisely. I’d be absolutely amazed if Bournemouth’s owner isn’t worth at least 10 times what Hoyle is worth - financially, of course. Hoyle has been a priceless gift for Town fans.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2019 20:55:11 GMT 1
If Bournemouth could find a wealthy backer, considering their previous history,I don't see why we can't. Sandbanks is something like the 4th or 5th most expensive area by land value in the entire world (no idea why, it’s pretty dismal looking when I’ve driven round!)...the rich people of the world go there for no reason hence why Bournemouth ends with money. (Surely we’re going to be taken over by wealthy Uzbeks?)
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Post by dugnet on Apr 7, 2019 21:02:06 GMT 1
If Bournemouth could find a wealthy backer, considering their previous history,I don't see why we can't. Sandbanks is something like the 4th or 5th most expensive area by land value in the entire world (no idea why, it’s pretty dismal looking when I’ve driven round!)...the rich people of the world go there for no reason hence why Bournemouth ends with money. (Surely we’re going to be taken over by wealthy Uzbeks?) It's hardly surprising that Bournemouth was seen as a good investment, low initial outlay, in an area with a affluent population. Money talks in football, it doesn't guarantee anything but it certainly helps. If it is the end of the DH era let's hope we get someone who can take us to the next level and maintain the link with the fans and community.
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Post by bluebeard on Apr 7, 2019 22:03:22 GMT 1
He does. Our current fan base, in come streams and potential isn't that levels of of the likes of Norwich or Southampton. The two sides the previous DOFs went to. We are on a par with the size of Bournmouth. But they spent a fair packet to get where they are, an established premier league side. They didn't spend within their means but had a wealthier owner than Hoyle. Norwich have got a ground capacity of just 27,000. I know they've got a large catchment area but have never really done anything in the game to suggest they are a sleeping giant or have huge potential. The catchment area for Norwich is no bigger than that of Towns, infact i would say Towns is bigger. My gaffa who is a Man City fan and he has told me that from what he was told on a recent business trip to the land of the rising sun!! a consortium over there are very interested.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 7, 2019 22:07:40 GMT 1
Norwich have got a ground capacity of just 27,000. I know they've got a large catchment area but have never really done anything in the game to suggest they are a sleeping giant or have huge potential. The catchment area for Norwich is no bigger than that of Towns, infact i would say Towns is bigger. My gaffa who is a Man City fan and he has told me that from what he was told on a recent business trip to the land of the rising sun!! a consortium over there are very interested. If they bring Kagawa with them then they'll do for me
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Post by dalesterrier on Apr 7, 2019 22:26:51 GMT 1
Ted Leonsis was the American name mentioned in January when news of a takeover first broke
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Post by smax on Apr 7, 2019 22:58:29 GMT 1
I heard Michael Knighton and Barry Rubery consortium.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Apr 7, 2019 23:04:40 GMT 1
Wheres that bit of information come from? I can’t say where I’m afraid but it’s a credible source. , I will consult my sources tomorrow and see if this is bull
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 7, 2019 23:40:20 GMT 1
Norwich have got a ground capacity of just 27,000. I know they've got a large catchment area but have never really done anything in the game to suggest they are a sleeping giant or have huge potential. The catchment area for Norwich is no bigger than that of Towns, infact i would say Towns is bigger. My gaffa who is a Man City fan and he has told me that from what he was told on a recent business trip to the land of the rising sun!! a consortium over there are very interested. Our catchment area is nowhere near the size or Norwich's! Their catchment area is about the size of West and South Yorkshire COMBINED! The nearest other club is Ipswich and thats 45 miles away!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 1:43:32 GMT 1
The catchment area for Norwich is no bigger than that of Towns, infact i would say Towns is bigger. My gaffa who is a Man City fan and he has told me that from what he was told on a recent business trip to the land of the rising sun!! a consortium over there are very interested. Our catchment area is nowhere near the size or Norwich's! Their catchment area is about the size of West and South Yorkshire COMBINED! The nearest other club is Ipswich and thats 45 miles away! Also they have a higher average number of fingers so are really good at catching.
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Post by hypotenuse on Apr 8, 2019 10:56:35 GMT 1
The catchment area for Norwich is no bigger than that of Towns, infact i would say Towns is bigger. My gaffa who is a Man City fan and he has told me that from what he was told on a recent business trip to the land of the rising sun!! a consortium over there are very interested. Our catchment area is nowhere near the size or Norwich's! Their catchment area is about the size of West and South Yorkshire COMBINED! The nearest other club is Ipswich and thats 45 miles away! Absolutely. Ludicrous to compare our catchment with Norwich. We have 9 league clubs with a combined average of about 260000 for home games within 25/30 miles.
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Post by ben1987 on Apr 8, 2019 11:15:20 GMT 1
Even if it's to a group or person who has a few billion and wants to invest heavily in the squad and club in general? You'd be absolutely mad to not want that Be careful what you wish for. Bolton Bradford Leeds Portsmouth Sunderland Ipswich Sheffield Wednesday Just a few examples of clubs run badly by wealthy people. Wealth means nothing if run the wrong way. Dean is worth more than money imo. Right now we need stability.
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Post by willo on Apr 8, 2019 11:20:35 GMT 1
Even if it's to a group or person who has a few billion and wants to invest heavily in the squad and club in general? You'd be absolutely mad to not want that Be careful what you wish for. Bolton Bradford Leeds Portsmouth Sunderland Ipswich Sheffield Wednesday Just a few examples of clubs run badly by wealthy people. Wealth means nothing if run the wrong way. Dean is worth more than money imo. Right now we need stability. Correct. I would happily settle for a mid-table/top 10 finish next season as it stands. A flirt with the play-offs would be exceeding expectations.
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Apr 8, 2019 11:26:47 GMT 1
Anything better than the last time we dropped out of the top division will do for me.
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Post by captainblack on Apr 8, 2019 11:34:06 GMT 1
Our catchment area is nowhere near the size or Norwich's! Their catchment area is about the size of West and South Yorkshire COMBINED! The nearest other club is Ipswich and thats 45 miles away! Also they have a higher average number of fingers so are really good at catching. After reading the Ben Hamer thread, it maybe an idea to scour that area for our new Keeper
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Post by 66738 on Apr 8, 2019 12:10:22 GMT 1
Would love Dean not to sell and continue as we are, but this season it has become very obvious to me that a local business man who has done well for himself is no longer wealthy enough to take us to the next level. Maybe Dean stays on like has been mentioned earlier and he takes on a Spurs type role. After all, does Dean fancy going at it again? He got us to where he/we wanted to be. Mission accomplished. As much as I love the local supporter owner aspect , perhaps now is the time for new investment to take us forward.
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