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Post by greyarea on Apr 25, 2019 2:00:43 GMT 1
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Post by townohiofan on Apr 25, 2019 17:24:15 GMT 1
Interesting read. Would like to hear more about what he plans tactically.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 25, 2019 17:57:10 GMT 1
Interesting read. Would like to hear more about what he plans tactically. I agree with you there mate, some good fighting talk & I know what he was getting at but I'd like to have heard more about his style rather than just passion & running ability. |
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Post by faffa on Apr 26, 2019 0:33:02 GMT 1
I think the lack evidence on style is perhaps more to do with ESPN editing rather than him not saying it. It does mention counter press etc very similar to Wagner really which is obvious as that is clearly the Dortmund way.
I think it gives you an idea also of why all the changes towards the end of the season. He wants players with aggression to fight. Whence no Billing, Sabiri, Zanka all good players but not what he wants moving forward. Mooy when playing well has that so hope he stays. Bacuna definitely has. Pritchard maybe too but lacks pace for JS style I would imagine.
I’m sorry I can’t explain Hamer only that he wanted to see if he could cut it.
This guy needs to be given some time once again the club I feel has taken a long term view and we will have to be patient. He has his ideas and I am sure he knows which players he wants and which players he wants to keep. TK would be a huge statement but I can’t see it.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 26, 2019 7:04:01 GMT 1
The lack of evidence on style is to do with ESPN editing ? ESPN haven't edited our matches since he took charge . The evidence is what goes on on the pitch. I assume you've seen some games. What's his style ?
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Post by faffa on Apr 26, 2019 8:13:26 GMT 1
The lack of evidence on style is to do with ESPN editing ? ESPN haven't edited our matches since he took charge . The evidence is what goes on on the pitch. I assume you've seen some games. What's his style ? I was referencing previous posters. They wanted to hear about his style tactically and would like to have heard more about his style. I was stating that the lack of any more in-depth knowledge was omitted due to editing (sorry if you don not have a knowledge of journalism). I agree that there hasn’t been very much evidence of what they mention on the pitch but in my opinion he should be judged after he has been given time and no I don’t think a dozen or so games is enough. I haven’t watched any of his games live but have watched them on re-runs which sometimes give you a better perspective. Been a supporter for over 35 years season ticket holder for many of those. Distance no longer allows me to attend 10,000 miles is too far. I’m pretty chilled when Town don’t perform well as it’s quite common. I do believe our time will come again. Don’t stress! |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 26, 2019 8:25:10 GMT 1
The lack of evidence on style is to do with ESPN editing ? ESPN haven't edited our matches since he took charge . The evidence is what goes on on the pitch. I assume you've seen some games. What's his style ? I was referencing previous posters. They wanted to hear about his style tactically and would like to have heard more about his style. I was stating that the lack of any more in-depth knowledge was omitted due to editing (sorry if you don not have a knowledge of journalism). I agree that there hasn’t been very much evidence of what they mention on the pitch but in my opinion he should be judged after he has been given time and no I don’t think a dozen or so games is enough. I haven’t watched any of his games live but have watched them on re-runs which sometimes give you a better perspective. Been a supporter for over 35 years season ticket holder for many of those. Distance no longer allows me to attend 10,000 miles is too far. I’m pretty chilled when Town don’t perform well as it’s quite common. I do believe our time will come again. Don’t stress! I'm not stressing. Never have about football. And no I don't know too much about journalism. Not sure that is relevant? Wagner came in and after ONE GAME people could see what he was trying to do. You are saying 12 games isn't enough to stamp Jan's imprint ? I'm not saying Jan is or isn't the real deal . Im Saying after 12 games I don't know what he is trying to do. You are saying you have watched the reruns which has given you a better perspective so I'm sure you will be better placed than most of us to answer the question you decided not to answer in your last post. So I'll try again , what's his style? |
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Post by detox on Apr 26, 2019 9:22:49 GMT 1
I've seen changes to our set up and style...more positive, getting forward quicker, playing that early ball through the channels, crossing from the wings earlier and not as inclined to keep playing it back and across the back four. unfortunately for JS non of the players seem to be able to sustain this style either because they're so hard wired into DW's style or they're not good enough...or have just lost heart for the battle..bearing in mind DW set his style while in the lower reaches of the Championship while JS has to do it in the PL which is 100x more difficult. Players need to 'believe'and that only comes with winning...and we ain't winning so it's clear the players are having difficulty in believing in JS.
When DW took over he only managed 10 wins in his remaining 30 league games that season,only one win in our last 8 games including a 0-4 at Bristol City and a 1- 5 thumping by Brentford in our last game..Only three players from that game started the first game of the following season (Smith, VLP and Hudson)...when we beat Brentford 2-1 . We were 21st when DW took over and finished 19th, after 30 games in charge..JS has had what, 12 games ?
DW's success was founded upon the summer transfer activity and pre season training in 2016...he gelled together players he'd recuited who could perform best his style of playing...JS hasn't had that opportunity yet, and he's faced the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and with Liverpool and Man Utd to come during his 'learning period'with players he's inherited ..players who had already shown they couldn't manage even after 3 years of indoctrination under DW !Town were bottom when DW left,why wouldwe think JS could suddenly fix what the more experienced DW couldn't ?
It is increasingly the case that teams do indeed represent the stle of the manager, and when the manager goes and a new manager with a different ethos comes in, he needs his own players. In the 'olden days' players seemed to be more capable of adapting whereas now it's more horses for courses...
Summer 2019 will be crucial for the future of Town, obviously JS will want 4 or 5 new players, maybe more...players who he sees fit his vision and style...next August we'll be able to judge him fairly and hope he gets the same start DW did in 2016/17 with a flurry of early wins after his summer recuitment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 9:35:15 GMT 1
I've seen changes to our set up and style...more positive, getting forward quicker, playing that early ball through the channels, crossing from the wings earlier and not as inclined to keep playing it back and across the back four. unfortunately for JS non of the players seem to be able to sustain this style either because they're so hard wired into DW's style or they're not good enough...or have just lost heart for the battle..bearing in mind DW set his style while in the lower reaches of the Championship while JS has to do it in the PL which is 100x more difficult. Players need to 'believe'and that only comes with winning...and we ain't winning so it's clear the players are having difficulty in believing in JS. When DW took over he only managed 10 wins in his remaining 30 league games that season,only one win in our last 8 games including a 0-4 at Bristol City and a 1- 5 thumping by Brentford in our last game..Only three players from that game started the first game of the following season (Smith, VLP and Hudson)...when we beat Brentford 2-1 . We were 21st when DW took over and finished 19th, after 30 games in charge..JS has had what, 12 games ? DW's success was founded upon the summer transfer activity and pre season training in 2016...he gelled together players he'd recuited who could perform best his style of playing...JS hasn't had that opportunity yet, and he's faced the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and with Liverpool and Man Utd to come during his 'learning period'with players he's inherited ..players who had already shown they couldn't manage even after 3 years of indoctrination under DW !Town were bottom when DW left,why wouldwe think JS could suddenly fix what the more experienced DW couldn't ? It is increasingly the case that teams do indeed represent the stle of the manager, and when the manager goes and a new manager with a different ethos comes in, he needs his own players. In the 'olden days' players seemed to be more capable of adapting whereas now it's more horses for courses... Summer 2019 will be crucial for the future of Town, obviously JS will want 4 or 5 new players, maybe more...players who he sees fit his vision and style...next August we'll be able to judge him fairly and hope he gets the same start DW did in 2016/17 with a flurry of early wins after his summer recuitment. Spot on...it does seem fairly ludicrous that we brought in a manager whose role is clearly about next season and with no real expectation of doing anything other than standing on the sinking ship this season whilst the old captain goes and puts his feet up....and yet a vocal minority (I assume) of fans are already lambasting Siewert because he can’t single handedly refloat that sinking ship. It doesn’t help that he comes across as smarmy in pretty much every interview, but I suppose when you’re expecting to lose and there’s not really much you can do about it, and you’re more concerned with what’s happening next it’s difficult to avoid having a wry smile when journalists keep asking you about the tough time you’re having. |
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 26, 2019 10:17:28 GMT 1
I was referencing previous posters. They wanted to hear about his style tactically and would like to have heard more about his style. I was stating that the lack of any more in-depth knowledge was omitted due to editing (sorry if you don not have a knowledge of journalism). I agree that there hasn’t been very much evidence of what they mention on the pitch but in my opinion he should be judged after he has been given time and no I don’t think a dozen or so games is enough. I haven’t watched any of his games live but have watched them on re-runs which sometimes give you a better perspective. Been a supporter for over 35 years season ticket holder for many of those. Distance no longer allows me to attend 10,000 miles is too far. I’m pretty chilled when Town don’t perform well as it’s quite common. I do believe our time will come again. Don’t stress! I'm not stressing. Never have about football. And no I don't know too much about journalism. Not sure that is relevant? Wagner came in and after ONE GAME people could see what he was trying to do. You are saying 12 games isn't enough to stamp Jan's imprint ? I'm not saying Jan is or isn't the real deal . Im Saying after 12 games I don't know what he is trying to do. You are saying you have watched the reruns which has given you a better perspective so I'm sure you will be better placed than most of us to answer the question you decided not to answer in your last post. So I'll try again , what's his style? Am I the only person who thought of Enter The Dragon when I read that? |
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Post by softboy on Apr 26, 2019 16:46:06 GMT 1
His style appears to be to look angry - and I assume also loose games where he currently has a 92% success rate.
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Post by royrace on Apr 26, 2019 17:01:20 GMT 1
I've seen changes to our set up and style...more positive, getting forward quicker, playing that early ball through the channels, crossing from the wings earlier and not as inclined to keep playing it back and across the back four. unfortunately for JS non of the players seem to be able to sustain this style either because they're so hard wired into DW's style or they're not good enough...or have just lost heart for the battle..bearing in mind DW set his style while in the lower reaches of the Championship while JS has to do it in the PL which is 100x more difficult. Players need to 'believe'and that only comes with winning...and we ain't winning so it's clear the players are having difficulty in believing in JS. When DW took over he only managed 10 wins in his remaining 30 league games that season,only one win in our last 8 games including a 0-4 at Bristol City and a 1- 5 thumping by Brentford in our last game..Only three players from that game started the first game of the following season (Smith, VLP and Hudson)...when we beat Brentford 2-1 . We were 21st when DW took over and finished 19th, after 30 games in charge..JS has had what, 12 games ? DW's success was founded upon the summer transfer activity and pre season training in 2016...he gelled together players he'd recuited who could perform best his style of playing...JS hasn't had that opportunity yet, and he's faced the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and with Liverpool and Man Utd to come during his 'learning period'with players he's inherited ..players who had already shown they couldn't manage even after 3 years of indoctrination under DW !Town were bottom when DW left,why wouldwe think JS could suddenly fix what the more experienced DW couldn't ? It is increasingly the case that teams do indeed represent the stle of the manager, and when the manager goes and a new manager with a different ethos comes in, he needs his own players. In the 'olden days' players seemed to be more capable of adapting whereas now it's more horses for courses... Summer 2019 will be crucial for the future of Town, obviously JS will want 4 or 5 new players, maybe more...players who he sees fit his vision and style...next August we'll be able to judge him fairly and hope he gets the same start DW did in 2016/17 with a flurry of early wins after his summer recuitment. Spot on...it does seem fairly ludicrous that we brought in a manager whose role is clearly about next season and with no real expectation of doing anything other than standing on the sinking ship this season whilst the old captain goes and puts his feet up.... and yet a vocal minority (I assume) of fans are already lambasting Siewert because he can’t single handedly refloat that sinking ship. It doesn’t help that he comes across as smarmy in pretty much every interview, but I suppose when you’re expecting to lose and there’s not really much you can do about it, and you’re more concerned with what’s happening next it’s difficult to avoid having a wry smile when journalists keep asking you about the tough time you’re having. Its now a strong majority (70/30) judging by the poll on here I think? I could accept a 100% loss rate btw if improvement in other areas was evident or there wasn't evidence of lots of things getting much worse. Passing the ball forward a bit more and not going backwards isn't an improvement worth mentioning when the general pattern of play and level of organisation is much worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 20:52:39 GMT 1
Spot on...it does seem fairly ludicrous that we brought in a manager whose role is clearly about next season and with no real expectation of doing anything other than standing on the sinking ship this season whilst the old captain goes and puts his feet up.... and yet a vocal minority (I assume) of fans are already lambasting Siewert because he can’t single handedly refloat that sinking ship. It doesn’t help that he comes across as smarmy in pretty much every interview, but I suppose when you’re expecting to lose and there’s not really much you can do about it, and you’re more concerned with what’s happening next it’s difficult to avoid having a wry smile when journalists keep asking you about the tough time you’re having. Its now a strong majority (70/30) judging by the poll on here I think? I could accept a 100% loss rate btw if improvement in other areas was evident or there wasn't evidence of lots of things getting much worse. Passing the ball forward a bit more and not going backwards isn't an improvement worth mentioning when the general pattern of play and level of organisation is much worse. A mere 166 “Siewert not the man for the Championship” voters at time of posting out of all the Town fans is the very definition of a vocal minority ! 🤷♂️ |
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