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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 0:46:05 GMT 1
My post was in reply to Melc who didn't seem to think coaching was necessary as they're professionals. You want to know how he's improved us? How about an unbeaten start to pre season and see how it goes. Oh, they obviously don't count. Suggest wait and see how we fair against proper footballers eh? I do think coaching is necessary to improve on certain aspects of players weaknesses, but as for the basics players learn that from a young age. Maybe i am being to negative, but Siewert just does not fill me with any confidence that we will be any different this time round, but time will tell and i really do hope i am wrong! The time to judge will be when he's been given a fair go. Judging him on last season was as far from being fair as can be. Terriersyndrome has it spot on imo.
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Post by golcarexile on Jul 14, 2019 1:04:26 GMT 1
Last season we were unbeaten in pre-season, beating Lyon, Bologna, and Leipzig along the way. Depoitre scored a couple and all was looking rosy. None of it means a lot really.
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Post by willo on Jul 14, 2019 1:14:19 GMT 1
To be fair JS has already had half a season of getting thrashed or doesn’t that count because he was in the big boys league. I’m still awaiting this coach to make our players better,so far he’s made it worse I’d go as far to say it’s been embarrassing. Still he’s a young coach and apparently great at teaching youth team players,I suspect that’s his level. I’m assuming he took the role knowing he would start at PL level for me he’s got a hell of lot to prove Totally agree with this post. When I see one sign of him improving us I’ll be more positive about him. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been less than enthused with JS since he arrived but fair’s fair, we start with a clean slate going into the new season and let’s see what he can do. Bottom 6 come the end of October/mid-November though and it may well be time for another change.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jul 14, 2019 3:21:04 GMT 1
Last season we were unbeaten in pre-season, beating Lyon, Bologna, and Leipzig along the way. Depoitre scored a couple and all was looking rosy. None of it means a lot really. Fair comment regarding these games and don't disagree with the sentiment either but my memory was that we far from unbeaten, we got done 3 nil at Accrington if memory serves and failed to score, conceding many at that kick about/ tournament in Germany. I went into the season thinking it was plainly obvious where issues were and those being the same that we had in 2017-18 campaign and thinking that scoring goals could still be a problem for us. Hodgkinson said something about needing as many as three windows to get the right deals and perhaps at that same time pointed towards ecpectations not neccessarily being a quick return to top flight football. I'd argue that's a realistic estimation, if we are to get the best deals the Club can for comings and goings, rather than the boom or bust route. I can live without the premier league for the time being, just want to see more victories and effort than last time and think the results in pre season so far, while having little to no significance will at least help to rebuild some of the players confidence in each other as a team. Defensively we have shipped one and that was self inflicted/ easily avoidance.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jul 14, 2019 7:53:10 GMT 1
Last season we were unbeaten in pre-season, beating Lyon, Bologna, and Leipzig along the way. Depoitre scored a couple and all was looking rosy. None of it means a lot really. Exactly, these are just practice games improving fitness, one side playing a half. Means nothing until we are on the green grass of home on that monday night.
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Post by htfcsince70 on Jul 14, 2019 8:17:22 GMT 1
Last season we were unbeaten in pre-season, beating Lyon, Bologna, and Leipzig along the way. Depoitre scored a couple and all was looking rosy. None of it means a lot really. Fair comment regarding these games and don't disagree with the sentiment either but my memory was that we far from unbeaten, we got done 3 nil at Accrington if memory serves and failed to score, conceding many at that kick about/ tournament in Germany. I went into the season thinking it was plainly obvious where issues were and those being the same that we had in 2017-18 campaign and thinking that scoring goals could still be a problem for us. Hodgkinson said something about needing as many as three windows to get the right deals and perhaps at that same time pointed towards ecpectations not neccessarily being a quick return to top flight football. I'd argue that's a realistic estimation, if we are to get the best deals the Club can for comings and goings, rather than the boom or bust route. I can live without the premier league for the time being, just want to see more victories and effort than last time and think the results in pre season so far, while having little to no significance will at least help to rebuild some of the players confidence in each other as a team. Defensively we have shipped one and that was self inflicted/ easily avoidance. I know that pre season friendlies are all about fitness and are often meaningless be perfectly honest the 3-0 defeat at Accrington set the alarm bells ringing for me last season - our supposed 'first' team were well beaten. I'm happy for them not to lose in any game - though I must admit with better finishing from Hamburg we would have lost yesterday - that said, they didn't score and we won - onward and upward!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 8:17:28 GMT 1
These games mean nothing because we are winning them but if we had lost them, it would be a different story wouldn't it?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 14, 2019 8:35:34 GMT 1
I thought we started last season with a really good performance versus Chelsea and but for hamer waving a shanked shot in, a marginal pen and mounie cannoning a header off the post we might have got something
It wasn’t a ideal preseason I agree (signings in too late IMO never mind the quality) but I left the Chelsea game feeling pretty optimistic still
How did the West Ham lad do yesterday?
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Post by captainblack on Jul 14, 2019 8:57:17 GMT 1
I honestly cannot make my mind up on Town's fortunes for next season , I am usually quite optimistic and and am hopeful for a relatively successful season, but I keep having this nagging doubt that its all going to go horribly wrong in true Town fashion.
I was in the camp which wanted JS to stay after last season and at least be given a fair chance, and I still hold to that view, however If we start badly JS is going to be under enormous pressure again. I think we will all have a much clearer picture after the Derby County match.My main concern at the moment is we are going to struggle to score enough goals . I hope this is just pre-season nerves!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 9:53:49 GMT 1
I honestly cannot make my mind up on Town's fortunes for next season , I am usually quite optimistic and and am hopeful for a relatively successful season, but I keep having this nagging doubt that its all going to go horribly wrong in true Town fashion. I was in the camp which wanted JS to stay after last season and at least be given a fair chance, and I still hold to that view, however If we start badly JS is going to be under enormous pressure again. I think we will all have a much clearer picture after the Derby County match.My main concern at the moment is we are going to struggle to score enough goals . I hope this is just pre-season nerves! I think JS has been concentrating on coaching defensively at present in pre-season and this certainly showed yesterday IMO. There are still pieces of the jigsaw to put together and I’m sure that will be different be in the next three weeks.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 14, 2019 9:57:53 GMT 1
The missing cog in this is stuart webber.... recruitment has been similar to before he came and left, bang average at best.
I hope we keep the majority of the team together, move on anyone who's a pain in the arse... seemingly billing, sabiri, zanka and hamer still remaining and restrict further recruitment to essentials only until the new sporting director has had 9 months in his position.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2019 10:30:01 GMT 1
My post was in reply to Melc who didn't seem to think coaching was necessary as they're professionals. You want to know how he's improved us? How about an unbeaten start to pre season and see how it goes. Oh, they obviously don't count. Suggest wait and see how we fair against proper footballers eh? I do think coaching is necessary to improve on certain aspects of players weaknesses, but as for the basics players learn that from a young age. Maybe i am being to negative, but Siewert just does not fill me with any confidence that we will be any different this time round, but time will tell and i really do hope i am wrong! You need a system and to have has certain patterns drilled into you that everyone knows and understands when playing professionally, when you’re up against well organised well drilled defences rather than 4 blokes from the Royal Swan. Kasey Palmer mentioned the lack of emphasis on “what to do when in possession” and foretold a lack of goals under Wagner. It might work letting players “play with freedom” and “expressing theirselves” in u18 and u23 football, but it’s never going to work at the top end of the game unless you’ve got the very best individuals who can make things happen despite the lack of a coherent set of tactics. We don’t.have the very best individuals compared to who we’re playing against.
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Post by Melc on Jul 14, 2019 10:49:00 GMT 1
I do think coaching is necessary to improve on certain aspects of players weaknesses, but as for the basics players learn that from a young age. Maybe i am being to negative, but Siewert just does not fill me with any confidence that we will be any different this time round, but time will tell and i really do hope i am wrong! You need a system and to have has certain patterns drilled into you that everyone knows and understands when playing professionally, when you’re up against well organised well drilled defences rather than 4 blokes from the Royal Swan. Kasey Palmer mentioned the lack of emphasis on “what to do when in possession” and foretold a lack of goals under Wagner. It might work letting players “play with freedom” and “expressing theirselves” in u18 and u23 football, but it’s never going to work at the top end of the game unless you’ve got the very best individuals who can make things happen despite the lack of a coherent set of tactics. We don’t.have the very best individuals compared to who we’re playing against. That's me told then!
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 14, 2019 11:09:49 GMT 1
Some highlights! Just two Town attacks, Elphick mightily fortunate on 45 minutes, and Coleman finally "done" for time-wasting.
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 14, 2019 11:14:27 GMT 1
I honestly cannot make my mind up on Town's fortunes for next season , I am usually quite optimistic and and am hopeful for a relatively successful season, but I keep having this nagging doubt that its all going to go horribly wrong in true Town fashion. I was in the camp which wanted JS to stay after last season and at least be given a fair chance, and I still hold to that view, however If we start badly JS is going to be under enormous pressure again. I think we will all have a much clearer picture after the Derby County match.My main concern at the moment is we are going to struggle to score enough goals . I hope this is just pre-season nerves! Do you write poetry? 😉
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 14, 2019 11:19:37 GMT 1
I honestly cannot make my mind up on Town's fortunes for next season , I am usually quite optimistic and and am hopeful for a relatively successful season, but I keep having this nagging doubt that its all going to go horribly wrong in true Town fashion. I was in the camp which wanted JS to stay after last season and at least be given a fair chance, and I still hold to that view, however If we start badly JS is going to be under enormous pressure again. I think we will all have a much clearer picture after the Derby County match.My main concern at the moment is we are going to struggle to score enough goals . I hope this is just pre-season nerves! Do you write poetry? 😉 Do you know, I've thought of posting just this comment for months now in response to captainblack's posts. They always appear like this, shortened lines - must be down to the gadget he uses.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jul 14, 2019 11:23:38 GMT 1
It's called coaching, or do you think on turning professional at 17 that's no longer needed? Let's see how good Sievert is at HIS JOB before we throw the towel in. To be fair JS has already had half a season of getting thrashed or doesn’t that count because he was in the big boys league. I’m still awaiting this coach to make our players better,so far he’s made it worse I’d go as far to say it’s been embarrassing. Still he’s a young coach and apparently great at teaching youth team players,I suspect that’s his level. I’m assuming he took the role knowing he would start at PL level for me he’s got a hell of lot to prove So you think he can implement his own style when we have a team with 3/4 who have rebelled, we are on a huge losing run and relegated?
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Post by slackjaw on Jul 14, 2019 11:32:09 GMT 1
To be fair JS has already had half a season of getting thrashed or doesn’t that count because he was in the big boys league. I’m still awaiting this coach to make our players better,so far he’s made it worse I’d go as far to say it’s been embarrassing. Still he’s a young coach and apparently great at teaching youth team players,I suspect that’s his level. I’m assuming he took the role knowing he would start at PL level for me he’s got a hell of lot to prove So you think he can implement his own style when we have a team with 3/4 who have rebelled, we are on a huge losing run and relegated? Most has of that team are still here so what’s going to change? We were on a huge losing run and unfortunately it continued but we weren’t relegated when he arrived? He produced 4 points,9 goals scored and 36 conceded from 15 games,yes against some top teams like Chelsea,Liverpool,Spurs. But it’s others against Brighton,Bournemouth,Newcastle,Watford. Managed good results against wolves and Utd. I hope he can turn it round this time and I’m pleased we’ve won a couple of friendlies just to get that winning feeling back.
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Post by captainblack on Jul 14, 2019 12:19:48 GMT 1
Do you know, I've thought of posting just this comment for months now in response to captainblack's posts. They always appear like this, shortened lines - must be down to the gadget he uses. I don't use my gadget much these days MT
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 14, 2019 18:50:19 GMT 1
These games mean nothing because we are winning them but if we had lost them, it would be a different story wouldn't it? winning games is what its about.. playing well and losing is for your reserves and kids teams.. nobody should be fooled about winning games without a good or very good performance and I am sure Jan isn't but winning is first and foremost..
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Post by SN0W on Jul 14, 2019 21:56:06 GMT 1
These games mean nothing because we are winning them but if we had lost them, it would be a different story wouldn't it? winning games is what its about.. playing well and losing is for your reserves and kids teams.. nobody should be fooled about winning games without a good or very good performance and I am sure Jan isn't but winning is first and foremost.. too right; not winning games is for losers.
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Post by Spike24 on Jul 15, 2019 4:52:28 GMT 1
No sponsorship on Town's shirts??? It's a training top.
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