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Post by rantinray on Aug 9, 2019 11:55:53 GMT 1
Also, when Billing says he doesn't want to play for us as he's too good for the Championship 'everyone' says he's a twat........ when Mooy says the same as Billing, Phil is the twat!!  ?? How the hell does that work? Mooy didn't go about it the way Billing did. Has kept his head down all summer and his agent hasn't been actively trying to offload him, nor did he go to the press and slag off his manager. If my doddering memory serves me right he didn't say to the press that he was "in the shop window" and the season had not finished. |
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Post by drumriggend on Aug 9, 2019 11:57:23 GMT 1
Stop making sense and being so reasonable Galph...... And, Drumriggend.... Get Fucked! Or not.... The Choice Is Yours!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍 Good effort that.. This boy has.. Potential.. 👍 |
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Post by johnnyx on Aug 9, 2019 11:57:44 GMT 1
When Phil came in he said he hadn't come here to be average. Naively i assumed he meant he intended to be above average.
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Post by buckers on Aug 9, 2019 12:01:58 GMT 1
Both getting sold (loaned) and no championship quality replacement coming in is the problem that I and many others have. The fact we haven’t bought a left back is criminal. It seems to be the accepted Datm wisdom that we need a left back.. We have an 18 million pound dutch international playing there.. Bockhorn and jaden brown as cover.. Flo as right back.. And i suspect bacuna will play there when neccessary.. How many full backs do we need? Losing mooy hurts our midfield but gives achance for reece brown or obrien to step up.. The knee jerk dummy spitting on here has been hilarious.. Lets try and give it 10 games b4 we all throw the towel in 👍 None of the names mentioned except Kongolo and flo are proven. Let’s give it 10 games like you say. |
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Post by shatterrier on Aug 9, 2019 12:06:25 GMT 1
I really think that far too much emphasis is being given to Phil's personal wealth whatever that may be. I think Deano during his tenure wanted the club to be self financing and he was able to use his personal wealth to presumably get us to that position, if that is indeed where we are now.
Despite the long list of clubs with real and sometimes pretend minted owners trying and failing to buy their way to the promised land and ending up in deep shit it seems that some of our fans are still advocating that as a model.
All the tantrums and personal abuse being flung around is ridiculously out of proportion and if I were Phil I'm sure I'd be saying to myself what a set of impatient and ungrateful b######s some of our fans really are. It might end up with him telling us to f##k off and letting some other poor sap come in and be abused. Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by sensible idiot on Aug 9, 2019 12:07:14 GMT 1
Cannuck.... I respect you opinion. I was just trying a bit of levity and trying to show how daft some people's reactions have been.
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Post by royrace on Aug 9, 2019 12:17:44 GMT 1
totally agree with the OP , we have no idea what go's on behind closed doors (bit like been at home !) maybe JS said he didn't want anyone else and is happy with what he's got,maybe we approached several players/agents who all though they have shit loads of premier league money and we will screw them into the ground and we wouldn't go for it! whatever i will be at qpr tomorrow supporting the team and hoping for a good performance whether we win loose or draw Very true and that's why we can only comment on the end result which to be blunt has been crap. Maybe it's just bad luck or all someone else's fault? Seems like we perhaps had a few targets that didn't come off although we now have 2 PL loans out of 3 I suppose. |
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Post by terrierhx on Aug 9, 2019 12:50:25 GMT 1
Finally a more sensible thread!!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 9, 2019 12:54:58 GMT 1
I am the chairman, the fans demand to be kept in the loop. I and every c-nt else expects a couple or more big offers for our 'star' players so I make serious enquiries into 2/3 expensive loans/signings, get positive feedback from these players and their clubs so I tell the support. Then fuck all of anything like a proper offer appears for my 'stars'
Which leads to a few problems, not least being the fucking support who do not wish to hear this or understand or accept that their 'heroes' are not wanted, so it's the clubs fault.
You cannot replace players on big money who have not fucking left and right up to yesterday Mooy was going nowhere so his 'replacement' was our last day loan signing as much last minute as Mooy going out. The club was prepared as much as was reasonably possible after finding out to EVERYONES surprise that nobody really wanted our BIG assets.
What is it about this that some do not get?
Are the 'experts' on here gonna tell me now that they knew there would be almost zero interest in the players they all announced would DEFINITELY be on their way?
More hindsight and bullshit.
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Post by shatterrier on Aug 9, 2019 12:58:38 GMT 1
Finally a more sensible thread!! Yeah, needs to be locked so the focus can be on the tantrum threads |
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Post by townatheart on Aug 9, 2019 13:00:15 GMT 1
He's been here 2 mins. Didn't cock up previous transfer windows. Not involved in Wagner's decision to buy then not play wingers. Didn't spend the £200 million of PL money. Wasn't here when we were fucking about with director of football. Not involved in Mooy contract option or no option confusion. Not involved in or in control of wage bill and overheads for this season i.e fixed costs were inherited by him..... ....... and didn't actually seek to buy the club, was approached by Dean. As far as being potless, how does anyone know his wealth apart from him? Look at accounts on companies house website? Great, if I'm running a business / businesses I'm sure I wouldn't use specialist tax lawyers and accountants to legally reduce my tax liability. Don't be so naive to think it reflects his true wealth. He could be the Sultan of Brunei but if a player wants out or a player won't come to us, what's he supposed to do?? This club, our club is the ONLY club to town fans, but it's not a preferred destination for the majority of players as it's just a small club to them, so Phil could do a Bradford / Bolton etc. and spunk a load of cash we have / don't have and risk our future existence. But he won't cos he cares about the club - he was a fan and will be a fan long before and long after being the owner. As for some of the suggestions on other threads that he's in it for some kind of ego trip... really? He was a sponsor previously, but when announced to be the new owner most of us said 'Phil who?'. Surely having his name on our shirt would have given him the 'photo op' to massage his ego, but he wasn't milking it as far as I can remember! He is one of us so give him a break. Let him get on with it and see how he does for longer than the 2 mins he's been here. You've seen the state of those wingers, yes? Personally I think Wagner's decision not to play them has been vindicated 10 times over and will continue to be throughout the season. I'm not necessarily blaming Phil for anything but I am wondering  is going on right now at the club. Squad, manager and coaching staff not inspiring any confidence at the moment and its not necessarily just down to money. Valid, and just may be part of the party line of needing three windows to sort it all out, he realises it will take time to shift these players about. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 9, 2019 13:02:46 GMT 1
He's been here 2 mins. Didn't cock up previous transfer windows. Not involved in Wagner's decision to buy then not play wingers. Didn't spend the £200 million of PL money. Wasn't here when we were fucking about with director of football. Not involved in Mooy contract option or no option confusion. Not involved in or in control of wage bill and overheads for this season i.e fixed costs were inherited by him..... ....... and didn't actually seek to buy the club, was approached by Dean. As far as being potless, how does anyone know his wealth apart from him? Look at accounts on companies house website? Great, if I'm running a business / businesses I'm sure I wouldn't use specialist tax lawyers and accountants to legally reduce my tax liability. Don't be so naive to think it reflects his true wealth. He could be the Sultan of Brunei but if a player wants out or a player won't come to us, what's he supposed to do?? This club, our club is the ONLY club to town fans, but it's not a preferred destination for the majority of players as it's just a small club to them, so Phil could do a Bradford / Bolton etc. and spunk a load of cash we have / don't have and risk our future existence. But he won't cos he cares about the club - he was a fan and will be a fan long before and long after being the owner. As for some of the suggestions on other threads that he's in it for some kind of ego trip... really? He was a sponsor previously, but when announced to be the new owner most of us said 'Phil who?'. Surely having his name on our shirt would have given him the 'photo op' to massage his ego, but he wasn't milking it as far as I can remember! He is one of us so give him a break. Let him get on with it and see how he does for longer than the 2 mins he's been here. 25 likes at least before the day is out! Way off and it's only 1300. Damn the silent majority for making their views known! |
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Post by ringdisco on Aug 9, 2019 13:15:17 GMT 1
I am the chairman, the fans demand to be kept in the loop. I and every c-nt else expects a couple or more big offers for our 'star' players so I make serious enquiries into 2/3 expensive loans/signings, get positive feedback from these players and their clubs so I tell the support. Then fuck all of anything like a proper offer appears for my 'stars' Which leads to a few problems, not least being the fucking support who do not wish to hear this or understand or accept that their 'heroes' are not wanted, so it's the clubs fault. You cannot replace players on big money who have not fucking left and right up to yesterday Mooy was going nowhere so his 'replacement' was our last day loan signing as much last minute as Mooy going out. The club was prepared as much as was reasonably possible after finding out to EVERYONES surprise that nobody really wanted our BIG assets. What is it about this that some do not get? Are the 'experts' on here gonna tell me now that they knew there would be almost zero interest in the players they all announced would DEFINITELY be on their way? More hindsight and bullshit. Sure, but we godt money for Billing and Smith, and still no one in to replace them. |
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Post by drfootball on Aug 9, 2019 13:18:30 GMT 1
Phil has allowed Mooy not to be replaced and no left back. His impact on the football has been a negative. Im not bothered how much cash he has, what colour the seats are, the tarmac around the ground etc etc. Has he allowed Jan to have a chance in this league THIS year? I would argue NO, was this one of our 2 or 3 chances at getting back to the premier league? Id argue YES, unless he can tell us a plan in place that means we can compete over the next 10 years rather than the next 3 years. Short term pain for long term gain? Then his impact has been negative. Recruitment has been league one or two standard, and sales premier league standard. I actually feel sorry for Phil, but at the same time sympathy doesn't win football matches. The only way we will all get behind Jan and Phil or a new manager and Phil is if we WIN, and keep winning. The transfer window yesterday, the paddy power stunt taking away from the professional approach to a friendly match and his Q and A, have basically totally destroyed any goodwill he inherited from Deano. He has piled the pressure on Jan and himself, Jan may have been able to get away with an average start until xmas, now he probably gets until the end of the month until the crowd really really turns on him and on Phil to make a change. Win a few games and that will go along way towards etablishing a bond between Jan/Phil and the fans, keep losing and its going to get very messy, very quickly. Of all the posts in the last month that’s the best , whilst I’m sure we will win a few , we won’t win many and following our recruitment (or lack of ) we are likely to get more than a few hidings. When we lose to Leeds and we will, close to Christmas we will be lower half at best and Jan will go as Phil can’t sack himself can he. |
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Post by drfootball on Aug 9, 2019 13:25:23 GMT 1
Mooy didn't go about it the way Billing did. Has kept his head down all summer and his agent hasn't been actively trying to offload him, nor did he go to the press and slag off his manager. If my doddering memory serves me right he didn't say to the press that he was "in the shop window" and the season had not finished. No he said JS was strange , arrogant and the players had no respect for him , unfortunately pasting a link is beyond my technical ability but if you google it you can see the daily mail quote . |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 9, 2019 13:34:40 GMT 1
I am the chairman, the fans demand to be kept in the loop. I and every c-nt else expects a couple or more big offers for our 'star' players so I make serious enquiries into 2/3 expensive loans/signings, get positive feedback from these players and their clubs so I tell the support. Then fuck all of anything like a proper offer appears for my 'stars' Which leads to a few problems, not least being the fucking support who do not wish to hear this or understand or accept that their 'heroes' are not wanted, so it's the clubs fault. You cannot replace players on big money who have not fucking left and right up to yesterday Mooy was going nowhere so his 'replacement' was our last day loan signing as much last minute as Mooy going out. The club was prepared as much as was reasonably possible after finding out to EVERYONES surprise that nobody really wanted our BIG assets. What is it about this that some do not get? Are the 'experts' on here gonna tell me now that they knew there would be almost zero interest in the players they all announced would DEFINITELY be on their way? More hindsight and bullshit. Sure, but we godt money for Billing and Smith, and still no one in to replace them. billing and smith off the wages.. the wage bill had to come down so 'replacing' them with players on similar or more wages would have defeated that object.. not sure how many midfielders or experienced right backs you can get for 19 million unless you look at unsettled young midfielders and full backs past their best days and looking more of an accident waiting to happen on every performance.. If the full backs out there were no better than smith then you are replacing like fir like.. we have full backs who are young and promising here and then it becomes wether we will blood them..? Billing has played well in very short, sporadic periods in games, is a pain in the arse personally and still only worth 15 million, replacing him with something better straight off could cost a great deal more. Anyone who is worth much more will require wages that we are unable/unwilling to pay?? its really not as easy as it looks this running football clubs.. |
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Post by jqhtfc on Aug 9, 2019 14:07:08 GMT 1
It seems to be the accepted Datm wisdom that we need a left back.. We have an 18 million pound dutch international playing there.. Bockhorn and jaden brown as cover.. Flo as right back.. And i suspect bacuna will play there when neccessary.. How many full backs do we need? Losing mooy hurts our midfield but gives achance for reece brown or obrien to step up.. The knee jerk dummy spitting on here has been hilarious.. Lets try and give it 10 games b4 we all throw the towel in 👍 the position of left back has as usuall been over the top.criminal one poster says. bloodyh ell we have plenty options as you say the dummy spitting is silly but not unexpected. Plenty of options? |
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Post by terryya on Aug 9, 2019 14:22:24 GMT 1
Both getting sold (loaned) and no championship quality replacement coming in is the problem that I and many others have. The fact we haven’t bought a left back is criminal. That’s the main issue really. Told one thing and done another. Start as we mean to go on eh.... He's learning on the job, in a fishbowl, under a microscope. Dean had the fortune to do this in L1 with much less pressure/ expectation. The situation we're in now has been at least 12 months in the making. |
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Post by deadleg on Aug 9, 2019 14:44:09 GMT 1
the position of left back has as usuall been over the top.criminal one poster says. bloodyh ell we have plenty options as you say the dummy spitting is silly but not unexpected. Come on now. We have a centre-back who should be playing as a centre-back (and who's probably still a target for one or two clubs in Europe as things stand) and a young lad who's barely played any senior minutes. There's plenty of unnecessary hysteria around but I think people are well within their rights to be concerned about that. |
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Post by bigtruck on Aug 9, 2019 14:52:57 GMT 1
I think the main issue is that PH has got himself into this mess by letting his ego and mouth run away with him. He has a massive ego, and likes to be centre of attention. You look at the fact he's plonked himself in the middle of the academy team photo,for me, shows this. I don't like the man, things i've heard about the way he conducts business and things surrounding the sponsorship of the club and playoff final tickets meant when it first came out he was buying the club i was massively worried.
Then i listened to his first interview and the Q&A and thought actually some of the stuff he's saying makes sense, even if still a little egotistical. "I don't do average" "I'm here to take it to next level" etc. And his comments on player sales and loans having "more impact than Mooy had" and the plans for the future etc, along with his attitude towards the bad eggs in the squad made me sit up and listen and actually made me want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Although i did take his explanation of where the money has actually gone with a pinch of salt.
Then the whole transfer saga started. Lower league potential and has-been freebies. Ok all well and good if we've a budget to stick to but we then flogged £20m+ worth of talent and got rid of the most influential player we've ever had behind a smokescreen of him signing a new contract.
What jumps to the forefront though now are the comments made by Southport fans when he took over. The warnings of PH being all bluster with little action where laughed at, but now seem to ring true. I have no doubt if things go wrong the blame from PH will lie with Jan. And if we're somehow successful then it'll all be down to PH according to, well, PH.
Yes there are the 2 season kneejerkers on this site that can and should be ignored but the general feeling of worry and discontent is now spreading to the more "intelligent" fans, those of us that have been supporting town through thick and thin.
There are still a lot of questions to be answered by Phil and the Club. Questions that will probably never be answered unfortunately and i think the level of trust and goodwill built up by the club has been lost very quickly and will take an immense effort to get back.
What shouldn't waiver though is the support of the players that are here. I'll be at every match i can and will give the "team" my backing every day of the week. The "club" though have some work to do.
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Post by shatterrier on Aug 9, 2019 15:04:49 GMT 1
Finally a more sensible thread!! Well, that didn't last long. If we started a thread titled 'positive posts only' how many posts in do you think it would be before it got taken over. |
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Post by rantinray on Aug 9, 2019 15:06:28 GMT 1
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Post by deadleg on Aug 9, 2019 15:23:39 GMT 1
I've had pretty much the same trajectory as bigtruck, but I'm still really trying hard to give him a fair chance despite my immediate impressions on watching his first interview.
He hasn't really helped by going around in personalised training gear, putting himself in and around the players and coaching staff while they're doing pre-season and saying stuff like 'I'm unbeaten', joke or not. Thankfully he's stopped short of ball juggling on the pitch in full kit thus far.
Plenty of truth in the OP though and it's still very early days. Hopefully a lot of it will be written off eventually as early teething problems but no matter what, the personal abuse and 'pauper Phil' stuff helps absolutely no-one.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 9, 2019 15:58:32 GMT 1
The one thing i have not seen or heard so far this season is the clubs /Siewerts/chairmans target finishing position come the end of the season.
I think two many of our fans are dreaming of a quick return to the premier league,but that certainly is not going to happen looking at the present squad.
Surely the club have put a a target finish in place ,and to know that might paint a better picture of the intention of all involved at the highest level .
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Post by pharaohx on Aug 9, 2019 16:07:34 GMT 1
I suspect PH will stand or fall on how he handles the next few weeks. For all the controversy around the transfer window we still have a squad of players that should be competitive - in a mid-table sort of way. If we're struggling around the bottom after the first 6-8 games then PH is he's going to have to be decisive and change the manager before it's too late- he won't be able to drift along with all that stuff about 'potential', 'bright young coach' and 'we're all the same page'.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 16:26:16 GMT 1
I really think that far too much emphasis is being given to Phil's personal wealth whatever that may be. I think Deano during his tenure wanted the club to be self financing and he was able to use his personal wealth to presumably get us to that position, if that is indeed where we are now. Despite the long list of clubs with real and sometimes pretend minted owners trying and failing to buy their way to the promised land and ending up in deep shit it seems that some of our fans are still advocating that as a model. All the tantrums and personal abuse being flung around is ridiculously out of proportion and if I were Phil I'm sure I'd be saying to myself what a set of impatient and ungrateful b######s some of our fans really are. It might end up with him telling us to f##k off and letting some other poor sap come in and be abused. Be careful what you wish for. best post this week |
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Post by rantinray on Aug 9, 2019 16:32:10 GMT 1
I am sure the new Chairman wishes to do as well as he possibly can. The fans must remember he hasn't got bottomless pockets. I would think he has set out a budget which he will work to without bankrupting both himself or the club. It is too easy to get carried away in a moments madness trying to chase a dream. Fortunatly for us we have lived that dream for two seasons although not happy with the final outcome we have been there and worn the T shirt.
I for one had hoped that with good management and selective transfers we could have cemented ourselves in the Premiership. The thought of being in the top six never entered my head. Safely in the bottom third to halfway would have been a dream for me. But, as I have said, we have been there and worn the T shirt which many future Town fans may never experience. I never thought it would happen to us but it did. UTT. The Future an unknown quantity. Death and taxes our only certainties.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 16:35:02 GMT 1
The one thing i have not seen or heard so far this season is the clubs /Siewerts/chairmans target finishing position come the end of the season. I think two many of our fans are dreaming of a quick return to the premier league,but that certainly is not going to happen looking at the present squad. Surely the club have put a a target finish in place ,and to know that might paint a better picture of the intention of all involved at the highest level . What was the clubs stated target position last season and the season before? In fact I don't recall the club ever having a target finishing position. Apart from "NO LIMITS". |
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Post by rantinray on Aug 9, 2019 16:41:30 GMT 1
The one thing i have not seen or heard so far this season is the clubs /Siewerts/chairmans target finishing position come the end of the season. I think two many of our fans are dreaming of a quick return to the premier league,but that certainly is not going to happen looking at the present squad.Surely the club have put a a target finish in place ,and to know that might paint a better picture of the intention of all involved at the highest level . That was always unlikely to happen with the players we were going to lose and the players we got in as replacements. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 16:46:59 GMT 1
I think the main issue is that PH has got himself into this mess by letting his ego and mouth run away with him. He has a massive ego, and likes to be centre of attention. You look at the fact he's plonked himself in the middle of the academy team photo,for me, shows this. I don't like the man, things i've heard about the way he conducts business and things surrounding the sponsorship of the club and playoff final tickets meant when it first came out he was buying the club i was massively worried. Then i listened to his first interview and the Q&A and thought actually some of the stuff he's saying makes sense, even if still a little egotistical. "I don't do average" "I'm here to take it to next level" etc. And his comments on player sales and loans having "more impact than Mooy had" and the plans for the future etc, along with his attitude towards the bad eggs in the squad made me sit up and listen and actually made me want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Although i did take his explanation of where the money has actually gone with a pinch of salt. Then the whole transfer saga started. Lower league potential and has-been freebies. Ok all well and good if we've a budget to stick to but we then flogged £20m+ worth of talent and got rid of the most influential player we've ever had behind a smokescreen of him signing a new contract. What jumps to the forefront though now are the comments made by Southport fans when he took over. The warnings of PH being all bluster with little action where laughed at, but now seem to ring true. I have no doubt if things go wrong the blame from PH will lie with Jan. And if we're somehow successful then it'll all be down to PH according to, well, PH. Yes there are the 2 season kneejerkers on this site that can and should be ignored but the general feeling of worry and discontent is now spreading to the more "intelligent" fans, those of us that have been supporting town through thick and thin. There are still a lot of questions to be answered by Phil and the Club. Questions that will probably never be answered unfortunately and i think the level of trust and goodwill built up by the club has been lost very quickly and will take an immense effort to get back. What shouldn't waiver though is the support of the players that are here. I'll be at every match i can and will give the "team" my backing every day of the week. The "club" though have some work to do. first of all you set your points out well. As for the way he does business I will say this football as a business like many his ruthless Whether its Phill Dean KEN davy or who ever it is dog eat dog. I havnt met the man but he has a hard task ahead and we should see how things develop and ive no doubt you are a loyal fan but there as on the whole a lot of good work done at the club and we all need to pull together.utt |
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