Bacuna.

[Town Duppy]

Aug 19, 2019 14:35:12 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Aug 19, 2019 14:21:50 GMT 1 Town Duppy said:

Pinocchio can't. 

Glad I didn't put that, Lord Dickhead would assume I was having a go at Phil Thompson 😉

Perv.

[lochnessterrier]

Aug 19, 2019 12:46:32 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Aug 19, 2019 11:14:43 GMT 1 lochnessterrier said:

Unfortunately when I think of Bacuna I can only recall a superb goal for Stoke and a brilliant assist for Fulham.

You do that, I'll think of the pass for Grant's equaliser against Montpellier or his performance that pushed us on to beat Wolves

Ok fair point, but he was crap against Fulham and what benefit do we take from scoring against Montpellier?

[Essex Terrier]

Aug 19, 2019 17:11:32 GMT 1 lochnessterrier said:

Aug 19, 2019 12:46:32 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

You do that, I'll think of the pass for Grant's equaliser against Montpellier or his performance that pushed us on to beat Wolves

Ok fair point, but he was crap against Fulham and what benefit do we take from scoring against Montpellier?

Maybe none, but i) he was a beast for a high number of games last season - at West Ham he was immense! & ii) If we roll with your argument it negates entirely the concept of playing friendlies in the first place surely?

[lochnessterrier]

Aug 19, 2019 17:18:31 GMT 1 Essex Terrier said:

Aug 19, 2019 17:11:32 GMT 1 lochnessterrier said:

Ok fair point, but he was crap against Fulham and what benefit do we take from scoring against Montpellier?

Maybe none, but i) he was a beast for a high number of games last season - at West Ham he was immense! & ii) If we roll with your argument it negates entirely the concept of playing friendlies in the first place surely?

Well let's hope the new manager can unleash the beast then.

[Porrohman]

Aug 19, 2019 14:38:10 GMT 1 drayltonboy (independent) said:

Reminds me of Chris Marsden, who was also prone to trying long passes. However, about 50% of Marsden’s passes found their man.....

Juninho's start to his Town career has been better than Mazzas though, he was terrible when we signed him

[Porrohman]

Aug 19, 2019 17:11:32 GMT 1 lochnessterrier said:

Aug 19, 2019 12:46:32 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

You do that, I'll think of the pass for Grant's equaliser against Montpellier or his performance that pushed us on to beat Wolves

Ok fair point, but he was crap against Fulham and what benefit do we take from scoring against Montpellier?

Luckily his 2 major cock ups haven't cost us any points have they. They've happened in a competition that we don't take seriously

[detox]

" Leandro Bacuna 4.5

Caught out by Joao early and then hacked down Richards to go into the book. His distribution left a lot to be desired after moving into midfield."

His brother don't sound too great either....

[Headless Chicken]

Aug 19, 2019 10:00:37 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Somebody posted a photo on one of the FB groups of him posing with a young fan at the train station on sunday morning, cue the usual fuckwits on there "hope he's leaving" etc. Fucking window lickers 🤬

Honestly, it's intolerable, neither the club or a player can post anything without a stream of twats responding with something shitty.

Even a partner announcement somehow gets twisted by these cretins.

[Porrohman]

Aug 19, 2019 19:31:53 GMT 1 Headless Chicken said:

Aug 19, 2019 10:00:37 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Somebody posted a photo on one of the FB groups of him posing with a young fan at the train station on sunday morning, cue the usual fuckwits on there "hope he's leaving" etc. Fucking window lickers 🤬

Honestly, it's intolerable, neither the club or a player can post anything without a stream of twats responding with something shitty.

Even a partner announcement somehow gets twisted by these cretins.

I keep looking for the leave the group option but I can't find it 🤔

[Headless Chicken]

Aug 19, 2019 19:38:43 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Aug 19, 2019 19:31:53 GMT 1 Headless Chicken said:

Honestly, it's intolerable, neither the club or a player can post anything without a stream of twats responding with something shitty.

Even a partner announcement somehow gets twisted by these cretins.

I keep looking for the leave the group option but I can't find it 🤔

Fortunately I only see it on the odd Town announcement on Facebook, as I barely use Twitter and haven't joined the FB groups having been warned 😄

[jakeg]

Aug 19, 2019 17:33:40 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Aug 19, 2019 14:38:10 GMT 1 drayltonboy (independent) said:

Reminds me of Chris Marsden, who was also prone to trying long passes. However, about 50% of Marsden’s passes found their man.....

Juninho's start to his Town career has been better than Mazzas though, he was terrible when we signed him

Remember Marsden starting as a complete powder puff winger who bottled everything. Quickly changed once he went into the middle although I recall.being amazed me was.being tried there. Stick with Bacuna - let's not let a bad start to the season bring every player down with us. He could do well. He might not. That's the conundrum. You just never know

[Porrohman]

Aug 19, 2019 21:12:02 GMT 1 jakeg said:

Aug 19, 2019 17:33:40 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Juninho's start to his Town career has been better than Mazzas though, he was terrible when we signed him

Remember Marsden starting as a complete powder puff winger who bottled everything. Quickly changed once he went into the middle although I recall.being amazed me was.being tried there. Stick with Bacuna - let's not let a bad start to the season bring every player down with us. He could do well. He might not. That's the conundrum. You just never know

First time I realised what Mazza could be was away at Forest, the ball was knocked into no man's land and for a 50/50 between him and Stuart Pearce. Psycho went 6' up in the air and Mazza went away with the ball.

[lochnessterrier]

Aug 19, 2019 17:37:30 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Aug 19, 2019 17:11:32 GMT 1 lochnessterrier said:

Ok fair point, but he was crap against Fulham and what benefit do we take from scoring against Montpellier?

Luckily his 2 major cock ups haven't cost us any points have they. They've happened in a competition that we don't take seriously

Remind me, which competition are we actually taking seriously just now?

[smax]

Aug 19, 2019 21:26:43 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Aug 19, 2019 21:12:02 GMT 1 jakeg said:

Remember Marsden starting as a complete powder puff winger who bottled everything. Quickly changed once he went into the middle although I recall.being amazed me was.being tried there. Stick with Bacuna - let's not let a bad start to the season bring every player down with us. He could do well. He might not. That's the conundrum. You just never know

First time I realised what Mazza could be was away at Forest, the ball was knocked into no man's land and for a 50/50 between him and Stuart Pearce. Psycho went 6' up in the air and Mazza went away with the ball.

What about his performance against Forest at home? 

[8pack]

He is terrible.. Awful and useless in equal amounts... Always has been..

[Porrohman]

Aug 20, 2019 6:46:12 GMT 1 smax said:

Aug 19, 2019 21:26:43 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

First time I realised what Mazza could be was away at Forest, the ball was knocked into no man's land and for a 50/50 between him and Stuart Pearce. Psycho went 6' up in the air and Mazza went away with the ball.

What about his performance against Forest at home? 

We were away in the first leg though so that came before the home one 😉

[Gag_N_Bone_Man]

There is a player there. His decision making is poor but he has got ability and, generally, the right attitude - he is up for a battle and is also enough of a shit house to annoy the opposition.

I predict we will have to take the rough with the smooth with him , but that with the right management and coaching eh can be a key player (albeit one who'll probably get sent off twice a season)

It's very easy to get on the backs of folk but bear in mind a lot of these players were signed only a year ago and are about to play for their 3rd manager, 4th if you count Hudson, under their second chairman in a different division. The club is in a kind of turmoil they cannot have foreseen and that has to take a toll mentally, knock confidence etc, especially on relatively young lads living in a foreign land for the first time.

I don't believe for a minute that players will play deliberately badly to get anyone the sack - if people think that then it was one hell of a cross and he should be deployed immediately as a right sided forward in place of Kachunga, as it was better than any cross Kach has ever put in.

Sadly, at the moment it would be very easy to pick any of our regular outfield players except Grant and slate their performances. The collective lack of form, direction and confidence is what cost JS his job and is an indication that something a little toxic has been going on. New manager, new broom, new start.

[deadleg]

Agree with all that, but let's be real about it - his performance was a special sort of nightmare by our low general standards even before he'd gone about setting their goal up.

It's not on giving him abuse for it though or assuming it's because he thinks he's 'too good for us' or 'believes his own hype'. A lot of that just reads as projection from people who were probably guilty of overhyping him after a couple of good performances last year. It always worries me when I see people doing that on here because you know it's only a matter of time before they turn on the player for not reaching some arbitrary, possibly unrealistic, standard they've just invented in their own mind.

[sykeylad]

Let's just go with a clean slate as Hudson said.

Forget the first 4 games and start afresh.

I think he will come good.

[sykeylad]

What always irritates me when people are banging on about how shit our players or who should be binned is that they cling to negatives and often ignore the good.

It is the next game that matters not the last one.

Plus if our players weaknesses didn't exist they probably would not be playing for us anyway...

[galpharm2400]

Aug 20, 2019 14:40:48 GMT 1 sykeylad said:

What always irritates me when people are banging on about how shit our players or who should be binned is that they cling to negatives and often ignore the good.

It is the next game that matters not the last one.

Plus if our players weaknesses didn't exist they probably would not be playing for us anyway...

[galpharm2400]

Aug 20, 2019 15:40:38 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

Aug 20, 2019 14:40:48 GMT 1 sykeylad said:

What always irritates me when people are banging on about how shit our players or who should be binned is that they cling to negatives and often ignore the good.

It is the next game that matters not the last one.

Plus if our players weaknesses didn't exist they probably would not be playing for us anyway...

Take away 2 complete cock ups and we may still be unbeaten. The 2nd Fulham goal was poor on our behalf as we stood there and watched the lad tee it up for himself so it's not all lost, unless we keep dropping huge bollocks and helping the opposition?
😠

[4 head]

Drop. Him.

[Nickhudds.UTT]

He wont be in tonight, been shocking so far,

[bigtruck]

i would say Bacuna has been a prime example of JS over coaching and complicated methods. There is definitely a player in there and his improvement last year was there for everyone to see. I had him down as having the potential to be player of the year for us this year, but as i've said earlier, he's playing at the minute like he did when he first started with us, extremely nervous. I don't accept this idea that he thinks he's way better than the club at all, and he certainly doesn't portray this in and around the club.

He needs an arm round, get him back to basics and he will come good.

[ACW]

Aug 20, 2019 15:45:32 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

Aug 20, 2019 15:40:38 GMT 1 galpharm2400 said:

Take away 2 complete cock ups and we may still be unbeaten. The 2nd Fulham goal was poor on our behalf as we stood there and watched the lad tee it up for himself so it's not all lost, unless we keep dropping huge bollocks and helping the opposition?
😠

We might have been unbeaten, but the results would have been papering over the cracks because, for long periods in each of our league games, we have been outplayed by the opposition.

The individual and collective mistakes have led directly to crucial goals against us and cost us points, but let's be honest - we have got the results our performances deserve. I know that in football results don't always follow good performances, and every point should be valued irrespective of the performance on the field, but an unbeaten start would have been very fortunate. And with the performances we were putting in, it wouldn't have lasted. Town wouldn't have kept on getting away with poor showings.

That said, even though we have played poorly this season, no one has given us a tonking (credit to the goalkeepers for that!). But the margins have been tight, so hopefully an upturn in performance will lead to some better results. We still don't look like scoring though - or even creating many chances - and that will need to change, whoever is in charge. We can point to mistakes costing us goals, but we have to be more of a threat at the other end of the pitch. Otherwise we are going to have to play perfect games defensively to have a chance of getting results. And we all know that won't be happening.