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Post by Mastercracker on Dec 9, 2019 17:21:28 GMT 1
They're very welcome to have a crack at the PL with the nucleus of that squad, would be interesting to watch. The only worry is if any of these rumours of them becoming the next Man City are anywhere near the mark. Usual over exaggeration from down the road is probably nearer the mark though. No over exaggeration from what ive heard. Leeds will probably be the next 'Man City'..buying their way from general obscurity to compete at the very top. If youre a foreign individual or state wishing to buy an english club to do that with then Leeds would be an ideal choice. Size of the city, catchment area, and the club still has a 'name' around the world despite all its failings. There are similarities with man City in terms of size and stature of club, other than they have their city to themselves. Always in the shadow of the other big city clubs. Even moreso at leeds because theyre more of a championship club than a premier division club. Theyve spent most of the past 40 years there. People who hate them aren;t going to enjoy it, but its going to happen i think. Still think Newcastle is the obvious choice for any billionaire glory seeker. More fans than Leeds (no matter what chesties pretend), better history, already openly for sale (albeit for a larger price than Leeds) but here's the clincher - They have a top draw massive ground already in place. That's the reason Man City got oiled up, they'd just been given a free ground that needed very little work. Had they been at Maine Road still it would never have happened. They want to come in and spaff £90m on the modern day Robinho equivalent and be in the Champions League quick sharp, not spend £400m+ on a new ground and infrastructure costs. Elland Road is essentially Maine Road. West Ham would also be a more obvious choice for similar reasons...even though the ground is crap for fans it has a certain kudos, is massive, more or less full and they have the London factor.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Dec 9, 2019 17:28:11 GMT 1
Very valid point about moving into a ready made new stadium, another example was Leicester where the serious money got involved only after they had quit Filbert St. although they still maintain a rather provincial feel despite being champions a few seasons back and currently having another good run.
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Post by Mastercracker on Dec 9, 2019 17:43:01 GMT 1
Very valid point about moving into a ready made new stadium, another example was Leicester where the serious money got involved only after they had quit Filbert St. although they still maintain a rather provincial feel despite being champions a few seasons back and currently having another good run. The other point is they cant all do well, if everyone has a billionaire benefactor having a billionaire benefactor becomes pointless other than buying your way out of the championship - Which even then plenty have failed at, step forward Derby and Wednesday. By my reckoning only Sheff U, Burnley, Norwich and Watford don't have one. Man City and Chelsea timed it right, the sums they spent made a huge difference 10-15 years ago and bought them into the cartel and then FFP came in. Now the cartel is oversubscribed and much more difficult to crack. Look at Everton, billionaire owner with ambitions and they've never done a thing since he went in. Had he done so 15 years ago they'd be Champions League regulars. A bit like how a man of Dean Hoyles wealth in 1994 would have seen us in the Prem if not doing a Blackburn, but 15 years later 'only' took us from Mid table L1 to bottom end championship bar a miracle season.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 9, 2019 17:46:09 GMT 1
No over exaggeration from what ive heard. Leeds will probably be the next 'Man City'..buying their way from general obscurity to compete at the very top. If youre a foreign individual or state wishing to buy an english club to do that with then Leeds would be an ideal choice. Size of the city, catchment area, and the club still has a 'name' around the world despite all its failings. There are similarities with man City in terms of size and stature of club, other than they have their city to themselves. Always in the shadow of the other big city clubs. Even moreso at leeds because theyre more of a championship club than a premier division club. Theyve spent most of the past 40 years there. People who hate them aren;t going to enjoy it, but its going to happen i think. Still think Newcastle is the obvious choice for any billionaire glory seeker. More fans than Leeds (no matter what chesties pretend), better history, already openly for sale (albeit for a larger price than Leeds) but here's the clincher - They have a top draw massive ground already in place. That's the reason Man City got oiled up, they'd just been given a free ground that needed very little work. Had they been at Maine Road still it would never have happened. They want to come in and spaff £90m on the modern day Robinho equivalent and be in the Champions League quick sharp, not spend £400m+ on a new ground and infrastructure costs. Elland Road is essentially Maine Road. West Ham would also be a more obvious choice for similar reasons...even though the ground is crap for fans it has a certain kudos, is massive, more or less full and they have the London factor. Good point about the stadium. Depends how much 'money is no object' I suppose. Theres a lot of potential land around south Leeds to build a big old ground if they wanted to rather than renovate elland road.
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Post by ant83 on Dec 9, 2019 18:00:57 GMT 1
Their defence is shaky as hell. Possibly the funniest post I have read on any football forum in the last 5 years. Leeds have conceded 10 goals in 20 games, the best record in the whole football league. They played with two fullbacks at centre half on Saturday and you still couldn’t score.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Dec 9, 2019 18:01:56 GMT 1
Very valid point about moving into a ready made new stadium, another example was Leicester where the serious money got involved only after they had quit Filbert St. although they still maintain a rather provincial feel despite being champions a few seasons back and currently having another good run. The other point is they cant all do well, if everyone has a billionaire benefactor having a billionaire benefactor becomes pointless other than buying your way out of the championship - Which even then plenty have failed at, step forward Derby and Wednesday. By my reckoning only Sheff U, Burnley, Norwich and Watford don't have one. Man City and Chelsea timed it right, the sums they spent made a huge difference 10-15 years ago and bought them into the cartel and then FFP came in. Now the cartel is oversubscribed and much more difficult to crack. Look at Everton, billionaire owner with ambitions and they've never done a thing since he went in. Had he done so 15 years ago they'd be Champions League regulars. A bit like how a man of Dean Hoyles wealth in 1994 would have seen us in the Prem if not doing a Blackburn, but 15 years later 'only' took us from Mid table L1 to bottom end championship bar a miracle season. Yep, going back to Leicester again I checked comparative estimated personal wealths and by the time of the helicopter crash LC's owner was worth almost 10 times that of Dean Hoyle. It makes you think.
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Post by impact on Dec 9, 2019 19:13:06 GMT 1
Their defence is shaky as hell. Possibly the funniest post I have read on any football forum in the last 5 years. Leeds have conceded 10 goals in 20 games, the best record in the whole football league. They played with two fullbacks at centre half on Saturday and you still couldn’t score. Replace "they" with "we". And maybe get off the forum of a team you pretend not to care about. We should have had 3 or 4 on sat but for poor finishing. And you had 3 players who have played centre half numerous times playing at centre half.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 9, 2019 21:30:39 GMT 1
Bizarre....that was the assessment of every person I was at the game with....more than 20 people. When you go Jimbo put the real specs on instead of the blue and white ones. You have told us everyone you sat with was a Leeds fan though. I was with 20 people....about half were Leeds...none of them had a different opinion.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 9, 2019 21:35:49 GMT 1
About 70 minutes in Hogg gave it away 3 times in a minute...always 10 yards passes to someone with a man up their arse. Guess who he blamed? It needed a big step up from Bacuna...he was largely invisible...could turn in to a top player though. He could have been sent off twice in a minute...pushed a guy in to the hoardings then stamped on another in frustration...both missed by the officials. Stankovic does not get games because he is slow on the ball...not saying he had a bad game at all but he will never be a mainstay of our team. 20 appearances in 3.5 years...ask yourself why. Kachunga will be released and will retire...my prediction. We did OK considering the changes but we lost at home by two goals to an average side....what does that tell you about us. Agree with bits of this but you keep asking people to ask theirselves why Stankovic has barely played? I’ve asked myself why, and other than being behind internationals like Zanka or a great partnership in Hefele and Schindler before that, he was out injured for almost a year. It’s a stupid question a bit like asking why Tommy Smith played 20 games or so in his first two seasons with us.....BECAUSE he was brought in below the first choice players and it takes time to develop and then establish yourself. Could be that Smith was not very good. How is he getting on now? Used to kick the ball 10 metres ahead of himself. Poor ball control does not readily make a good footballer.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 9, 2019 21:36:15 GMT 1
And I KNOW he was in the team of the season
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 23:10:56 GMT 1
Who cares where he is now... what Smith did was come in as a young lad who couldn’t get a game, got his head down and worked hard, and became a mainstay player in a team that got promoted to the top flight, where he continued to play regularly and helped the team stay up in the hardest league in the world.
Why belittle that?
And why belittle Stankovic, who through circumstance of age and injury has had to bide his time to get on the pitch in arguably the toughest position to break through by a young lad, who has, like Smith, bided his time, worked hard, and now looks to be starting to take the chance that quite possibly saves the club from having to shell out a transfer fee in January.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 23:18:22 GMT 1
You have told us everyone you sat with was a Leeds fan though. I was with 20 people....about half were Leeds...none of them had a different opinion. So which is it...all or half ?? downatthemac.proboards.com/post/2610583otium (EPBS) “Hey, I had to sit with 20 L&&ds fans!“🤷♂️😂😘
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Dec 9, 2019 23:20:39 GMT 1
Oti, you must have the most miserable existence as a Town fan. What would it take for you to post something complimentary?
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 9, 2019 23:32:00 GMT 1
Who cares where he is now... what Smith did was come in as a young lad who couldn’t get a game, got his head down and worked hard, and became a mainstay player in a team that got promoted to the top flight, where he continued to play regularly and helped the team stay up in the hardest league in the world. Why belittle that? And why belittle Stankovic, who through circumstance of age and injury has had to bide his time to get on the pitch in arguably the toughest position to break through by a young lad, who has, like Smith, bided his time, worked hard, and now looks to be starting to take the chance that quite possibly saves the club from having to shell out a transfer fee in January. Especially with all the recent shenanigans of potentially good to very good players not putting in the requisite effort, you'd think more than ever our fans would appreciate players who have fought for a long time to earn their place and eventually succeed (and I think playing a key role in our promotion is pretty reasonable 😄).
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Post by CaptainHart on Dec 10, 2019 10:23:07 GMT 1
Very valid point about moving into a ready made new stadium, another example was Leicester where the serious money got involved only after they had quit Filbert St. although they still maintain a rather provincial feel despite being champions a few seasons back and currently having another good run. The other point is they cant all do well, if everyone has a billionaire benefactor having a billionaire benefactor becomes pointless other than buying your way out of the championship - Which even then plenty have failed at, step forward Derby and Wednesday. By my reckoning only Sheff U, Burnley, Norwich and Watford don't have one. Man City and Chelsea timed it right, the sums they spent made a huge difference 10-15 years ago and bought them into the cartel and then FFP came in. Now the cartel is oversubscribed and much more difficult to crack. Look at Everton, billionaire owner with ambitions and they've never done a thing since he went in. Had he done so 15 years ago they'd be Champions League regulars. A bit like how a man of Dean Hoyles wealth in 1994 would have seen us in the Prem if not doing a Blackburn, but 15 years later 'only' took us from Mid table L1 to bottom end championship bar a miracle season. You make an excellent point, but the Blades are owned by a Saudi.
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Post by Mastercracker on Dec 10, 2019 11:13:01 GMT 1
The other point is they cant all do well, if everyone has a billionaire benefactor having a billionaire benefactor becomes pointless other than buying your way out of the championship - Which even then plenty have failed at, step forward Derby and Wednesday. By my reckoning only Sheff U, Burnley, Norwich and Watford don't have one. Man City and Chelsea timed it right, the sums they spent made a huge difference 10-15 years ago and bought them into the cartel and then FFP came in. Now the cartel is oversubscribed and much more difficult to crack. Look at Everton, billionaire owner with ambitions and they've never done a thing since he went in. Had he done so 15 years ago they'd be Champions League regulars. A bit like how a man of Dean Hoyles wealth in 1994 would have seen us in the Prem if not doing a Blackburn, but 15 years later 'only' took us from Mid table L1 to bottom end championship bar a miracle season. You make an excellent point, but the Blades are owned by a Saudi. A Saudi who's not in the billionaire category. According to google anyway.
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Post by E4b on Dec 10, 2019 19:37:11 GMT 1
Wonder why we didn’t recall Dom Tear from Gateshead? This lad has a hat-trick against Scumsville on his cv! There’s not many players other than Wardy and Boothy that score hat-tricks for the Town!
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Post by impact on Feb 2, 2020 13:57:47 GMT 1
Their defence is shaky as hell. Possibly the funniest post I have read on any football forum in the last 5 years. Leeds have conceded 10 goals in 20 games, the best record in the whole football league. They played with two fullbacks at centre half on Saturday and you still couldn’t score. Since then, 17 conceded in 10 and just 1 clean sheet. Maybe not that funny, eh?
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Post by explorer on Feb 2, 2020 14:35:46 GMT 1
Possibly the funniest post I have read on any football forum in the last 5 years. Leeds have conceded 10 goals in 20 games, the best record in the whole football league. They played with two fullbacks at centre half on Saturday and you still couldn’t score. Since then, 17 conceded in 10 and just 1 clean sheet. Maybe not that funny, eh? I know it's a wet Sunday and all that but.....you must be very bored today.
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