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Post by berlinterrier on Dec 14, 2023 9:35:41 GMT 1
Jeez, as Kevin would say, most of you on here are very easily swayed. Has castlehill written that? What would you have preferred him to say, out of interest? |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Dec 14, 2023 9:42:55 GMT 1
Jeez, as Kevin would say, most of you on here are very easily swayed. Has castlehill written that? I am sorry I didnt write that, I dont think I can write so eloquently ! Well said KN. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Dec 14, 2023 9:43:59 GMT 1
Jeez, as Kevin would say, most of you on here are very easily swayed. Has castlehill written that? What would you have preferred him to say, out of interest? probably preffered him to say, DM is sacked, NW is back we made a mistake and heres £100mil to spend in January...... pretty much the impossible. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Dec 14, 2023 9:48:23 GMT 1
My biggest concern now is that the players whilst thinking Moore is a nice bloke, they don’t rate him as a manager. That’s a real concern now. Bringing in players in January doesn’t necessarily solve that problem. I take it there's no chance of Moore getting sacked until Nagle is in the country? Struggling to see where the points are coming from between now and then with the current set up. We will pick points up between now and January we have proven we can do 4 games unbeaten until Tuesday, its not nice to watch and to be fair DM knows this also and he wants to play on the front foot more, just like trying to build a house with a knife and fork you need the correct tools for the job. Even though I now have doubts, I have said all along DM will be given the January window and time after that to show what he is about I dont see a change in management any time soon. I fully expect Kevin to back us in January with significant funds avaialble to improve the squad, the money is there we just need to find the players who will improve us. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 14, 2023 9:50:55 GMT 1
Wonderful message from the owner of the club.
Really can’t ask for anymore than that - he obviously is now aware that things aren’t what they should be.
Going to be an interesting January.
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Post by irverino on Dec 14, 2023 9:57:47 GMT 1
We have five games coming up in just over a fortnight before the owner arrives, the two homes fixtures have sold out the away allocation (Boro in a hour) & probably would have sold the whole end if offered.
Any hope of Town fans rushing down to JSS for the festive matches rests with what happens at Millwall & Norwich, the most optimistic amongst us would think a point at the Den is the most we could hope for over the two......If DM goes/walks before Boxing Day I think most of the flock would return, if not they will be at least 2336 hopeful souls in the stadium.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 14, 2023 10:00:41 GMT 1
My loss of any faith in Moore is the fact that since he took over the squad they have lost all semblance of the players that Warnock moulded into a team who could at least try and take on any other team in the division and get a win however unlikly. He might be a nice guy but each game he looks and sounds more and more like Fotheringham. Totally lost faith in the man, does anyone think that had Warnock still been in charge we would have been as abysmal as this. Not at all. Warnock would be getting the best from these players whereas Moore seems to be getting the worst from them. But we do need to move on from warnock. For whatever reason him being here now became something that wouldn't happen. |
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 14, 2023 10:12:24 GMT 1
I read it as the opposite. Prepare to see a transfer window under Moore's management. I agree with dugnet. He’d have been gone by now if it was up to me but a pasting down at the New Den and surely it’s curtains for DM. Datm will be in meltdown again and we know KN is watching from afar. Plus we’d all want the next manager to have a handful of games pre-January to work out for himself what is required (although I bet any out of work managers - especially those that have managed at this level - will have been watching events unfold at our place and have watched us play so will have half an idea). It’s reassuring to know KN has been watching on, knows how poorly we’ve been playing and that attendances are dropping and that things will not be allowed to continue like this. Good on him! Your idea would mean that behind the scenes we already have a replacement in place. In reality if we sack him Saturday tea time it’ll be mid January before we hire someone else. And the blokes making the decision have already hired DM and signed Tom Edwards. |
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Post by sonny on Dec 14, 2023 10:12:27 GMT 1
Looking forward to the You Tube video of the conversation between KN and DM on 4th January. Especially the bit where DM tells KN that the problem with supporters is that they are 'emotionally attached to results' and that he doesn't look at the league table because he is 'too focused on Town.'
Then the episode where Kevin discovers the joys of dealing with agents in January. Perhaps Cartwright and Edwards could prepare him by showing him the video of Sunderland's antics on deadline day a few seasons ago.
Good luck Kevin. Nice to hear from you.
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Post by shawsie on Dec 14, 2023 10:16:56 GMT 1
Nor should there be.....DM has to earn it now. he should sack d m and then he gain a lot of faith from supporters before giving moor and money moor is wrong man tactics all wrong hasnt a clue cant coach or motivate need removing now be for we in a situationwhere we cant get out act now not wait for window or give him a chance hes had a chance and made us worse other town mangers have been sacked with better ideas and results than moor Did you write this on a double absinthe on yer xmas do?! |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 14, 2023 10:17:13 GMT 1
I take it there's no chance of Moore getting sacked until Nagle is in the country? Struggling to see where the points are coming from between now and then with the current set up. We will pick points up between now and January we have proven we can do 4 games unbeaten until Tuesday, its not nice to watch and to be fair DM knows this also and he wants to play on the front foot more, just like trying to build a house with a knife and fork you need the correct tools for the job. Even though I now have doubts, I have said all along DM will be given the January window and time after that to show what he is about I dont see a change in management any time soon. I fully expect Kevin to back us in January with significant funds avaialble to improve the squad, the money is there we just need to find the players who will improve us. We don't have any squad depth but 7 players that started on Tuesday have been a part of Championship squads that have made the top 6 in recent seasons, if Nicholls had played that would have been 8. The 3 that haven't were Kasumu (motm last Saturday) Burgzorg (played top level in Netherlands/Germany) Austerfield (no experience at this level) it's hardly a team full of inexperienced kids, yet Moore had them playing like our U23s were up against Madrid. Even with more tools at his disposal he's already instilled a negative mindset, which is going to be tough to shake. |
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Post by KingNeil on Dec 14, 2023 10:20:52 GMT 1
I'm sure kev is looking forward to watching a game of phantom football in training😆
Saves on ball boys I suppose...ooh sorry ball person
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Post by dezzly on Dec 14, 2023 10:22:34 GMT 1
I'm sure kev is looking forward to watching a game of phantom football in training😆 Saves on ball boys I suppose...ooh sorry ball person Ballothems |
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Post by iangreaves on Dec 14, 2023 10:29:42 GMT 1
You'd think KN already has a handle on the problems, surely he's speaking to his staff running the club on a regular basis?
He's not on the moon, so I'm surprised he's saying he's basically coming over to find out what is going on. Also, assuming he has a handle on things why can't he sort it via zoom or something.
Or is he saying he's coming just for the transfer window,to do what? It's all a bit Roy Rodgers riding into town tbh.. there's nothing here that he can't do from his desk in Sacramento...is there? I know he was coming anyway, and yes he's the owner and wants to see for himself but he could just as easily sack DM from the US . Presumably to see for himself rather than relying on what he’s told by Edwards and Cartwright. |
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Post by KingNeil on Dec 14, 2023 10:32:47 GMT 1
I'm sure kev is looking forward to watching a game of phantom football in training😆 Saves on ball boys I suppose...ooh sorry ball person Ballothems Maybe DM has invented a new game...its just called Foot |
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Post by dirtyoldtown on Dec 14, 2023 10:37:54 GMT 1
All the right things were said after the take over leading in to the summer.
We then went and did nothing in the transfer window and replaced Warnock with Moore
I'm certainly not holding my breath that anything is going to significantly improve in January.
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Post by desertstorm on Dec 14, 2023 10:40:17 GMT 1
Everyone is learning. Kevin is no different here. He will learn who his valuable advisor are, and those that he can rely on.
I’m sure there are a few other users on here that are able to expand further on this but sometimes, for various reasons it’s better to remain tight lipped until the time is right.
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Post by berlinterrier on Dec 14, 2023 10:43:05 GMT 1
Everyone is learning. Kevin is no different here. He will learn who his valuable advisor are, and those that he can rely on. I’m sure there are a few other users on here that are able to expand further on this but sometimes, for various reasons it’s better to remain tight lipped until the time is right. I think that process of learning has duly begun. Nagle's message is eloquent. It is a warning to everyone at the club that it is time to step up. Players, coaches, executives. Everyone. It sounds like he's a man who likes to give people the benefit of the doubt, is polite and respectful, but doesn't take any shit. |
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Post by desertstorm on Dec 14, 2023 10:47:37 GMT 1
Everyone is learning. Kevin is no different here. He will learn who his valuable advisor are, and those that he can rely on. I’m sure there are a few other users on here that are able to expand further on this but sometimes, for various reasons it’s better to remain tight lipped until the time is right. I think that process of learning has duly begun. Nagle's message is eloquent. It is a warning to everyone at the club that it is time to step up. Players, coaches, executives. Everyone. It sounds like he's a man who likes to give people the benefit of the doubt, is polite and respectful, but doesn't take any shit. I’m sure the latter part of your post will become evident before long. |
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Post by +Transformed+ on Dec 14, 2023 10:56:29 GMT 1
Just what was needed in the present toxic atmosphere His message should calm everyone down.
Coming here for an extended period of time is a big commitment on his part, given all his other business interests. He'll be able to lift the lid on everything, and he's certainly no mug.
I'm a bit more optimistic now.
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Post by goodbet on Dec 14, 2023 11:02:25 GMT 1
Just what was needed in the present toxic atmosphere His message should calm everyone down. Coming here for an extended period of time is a big commitment on his part, given all his other business interests. He'll be able to lift the lid on everything, and he's certainly no mug. I'm a bit more optimistic now. It will for a short time, but if things don't improve or nothing happens when he arrives the lid will probably blow even higher. |
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Post by tyketaffy on Dec 14, 2023 11:02:59 GMT 1
My loss of any faith in Moore is the fact that since he took over the squad they have lost all semblance of the players that Warnock moulded into a team who could at least try and take on any other team in the division and get a win however unlikly. He might be a nice guy but each game he looks and sounds more and more like Fotheringham. Totally lost faith in the man, does anyone think that had Warnock still been in charge we would have been as abysmal as this. Not at all. Warnock would be getting the best from these players whereas Moore seems to be getting the worst from them. But we do need to move on from warnock. For whatever reason him being here now became something that wouldn't happen. I totally agree we have to move on from Warnock but what shocked me about him being shoved out so early into the "one more year" was the fact that they could have at least waited untill he got us some more points on the board first. He worked wonders with the squad last year and got them believing in themselves and fighting for the club and shirt and I fully expected us to be a mid table team this season. Every year my first target for the team was 50 points then we could enjoy the rest of the season in safety, great if we were doing better than that but its been a struggle most seasons before and after the prem years. To be fair to Moore hes trying with a threadbare squad to try and grind out results but if you compare the squad to the one last year under Warnock its like chalk and cheese. With Warnock in charge last year I never gave up hope, this year under moore with virtually the same squad I fully expect us to go down.
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Post by araucaria on Dec 14, 2023 11:03:08 GMT 1
Kevin's not interested in blame or fault, which is fair enough. I understand that the Covid enquiry is running along the same lines, principally to ensure that we learn lessons and are better prepared for the next crisis. When it eventually becomes necessary to appoint the next manager, will we look a little deeper into the candidates' records than we appear to have done with DM? Yes, he was good at West Brom and at Doncaster. What a pity that, in the recent past, he didn't have a run of games with an ailing team in this division so that we could form a better judgement of his chances of success at our club.]
[Sheffield Wednesday, you say? Near miracle escape from relegation? W3 D4 L7, 13 points from 14 games. Sound familiar? Oh, but he got Covid or they'd have stayed up easily and he took over from less than a position of strength, and he got them back up, albeit not in great shape, two seasons later.]
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Post by crux on Dec 14, 2023 11:09:01 GMT 1
I'm sure kev is looking forward to watching a game of phantom football in training😆 Saves on ball boys I suppose...ooh sorry ball person Ballothems Just spat my coffee out all over the place 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 14, 2023 11:14:57 GMT 1
You'd think KN already has a handle on the problems, surely he's speaking to his staff running the club on a regular basis? He's not on the moon, so I'm surprised he's saying he's basically coming over to find out what is going on. Also, assuming he has a handle on things why can't he sort it via zoom or something. Or is he saying he's coming just for the transfer window,to do what? It's all a bit Roy Rodgers riding into town tbh.. there's nothing here that he can't do from his desk in Sacramento...is there? I know he was coming anyway, and yes he's the owner and wants to see for himself but he could just as easily sack DM from the US . He’s planned to come for all of January for sometime. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 14, 2023 11:21:56 GMT 1
I was hoping he’d be playing right back "root" - well he could be, but under Moore he will be playing right "wing back". If our current right back was any slower he'd be "rooted" to the ground  |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 14, 2023 11:23:14 GMT 1
The investment in January will need to be significant. Not only that, but it has to be on quality players that we know can play at this level. If we spend money on 'project' players, or hopeful punts in January, we're fucked. This. I bloody love project players. Seeing someone we've brought for 3 packets of Monster Munch and a Curly Wurly from a club so obscure you have to Google them, make it at this level - even as a bit part player - is brilliant. But they're more likely to succeed if they have a framework of established players around them. Established players they can learn from. Established players who can cover for the mistakes they inevitably make as they're learning their craft. Established players who can take their place in the side as their form dips. We're not in a position where we have the wiggle room for mistakes. Which also means that we need players we can rely on NOW. So those players that need a few months dipping in and out aren't likely to get that opportunity in the midst of a relegation battle. Most of all, unless we make the right signings that can hit the ground running, the "project players" we sign in January will be learning their craft in Lg1 next season. And besides, we have a lot of projects on the go already. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Dec 14, 2023 11:25:38 GMT 1
Not only that, but it has to be on quality players that we know can play at this level. If we spend money on 'project' players, or hopeful punts in January, we're fucked. This. I bloody love project players. Seeing someone we've brought for 3 packets of Monster Munch and a Curly Wurly make it at this level - even as a bit part player - is brilliant. But they're more likely to succeed if they have a framework of established players around them. Established players they can learn from. Established players who can cover for the mistakes they inevitably make as they're learning their craft. Established players who can take their place in the side as their form dips.We're not in a position where we have the wiggle room for mistakes. Which also means that we need players we can rely on NOW. So those players that need a few months dipping in and out aren't likely to get that opportunity in the midst of a relegation battle. Most of all, unless we make the right signings that can hit the ground running, the "project players" we sign in January will be learning their craft in Lg1 next season. And besides, we have a lot of projects on the go already. Exactly what we've forgot this last few years. |
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Post by irverino on Dec 14, 2023 11:30:12 GMT 1
Everyone is learning. Kevin is no different here. He will learn who his valuable advisor are, and those that he can rely on. I’m sure there are a few other users on here that are able to expand further on this but sometimes, for various reasons it’s better to remain tight lipped until the time is right. I think that process of learning has duly begun. Nagle's message is eloquent. It is a warning to everyone at the club that it is time to step up. Players, coaches, executives. Everyone. It sounds like he's a man who likes to give people the benefit of the doubt, is polite and respectful, but doesn't take any shit. Certainly a lot of unnecessary time & expense from the decision to sack NW has been wasted, who ever decided it was the right thing to do should follow DM out the door too......Surely wasn't Kevin Nagle, was it? |
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Post by royrace on Dec 14, 2023 11:49:57 GMT 1
I think that process of learning has duly begun. Nagle's message is eloquent. It is a warning to everyone at the club that it is time to step up. Players, coaches, executives. Everyone. It sounds like he's a man who likes to give people the benefit of the doubt, is polite and respectful, but doesn't take any shit. Certainly a lot of unnecessary time & expense from the decision to sack NW has been wasted, who ever decided it was the right thing to do should follow DM out the door too......Surely wasn't Kevin Nagle, was it? I just think if I'd have been in charge of the football side of things and I knew Warnock had to go for whatever reason I would very strongly advise KN not to pull the trigger so early. It was always going to be extremely risky no matter who the new coach was. So if he hasn't received that warning then I think it's fair to say he's been very badly advised. If he did and chose to ignore it then it's all on him. And that's before we consider the new manager choice which obviously would have been delegated. I doubt the coaching team came cheap either so no budget restrictions seemingly. |
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