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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 13:11:09 GMT 1
Doesn't matter what I say, Henry, the usual accusations come. Seems like people enjoy kicking me, just because it's me. Others post similar opinions but they don't incur the backlash that my posts seem to get. I wasn't arguing with anyone, I wasn't battering anyone, I was just sharing opinions on a forum. When people constantly jump on your posts, you feel the need to fight back. Because sometimes, it's actually quite overwhelming when you've got multiple people having a go and accusing you of something you're not. If anyone is offended, then I apologise. You say that other people have similar points but nobody repeats them over and over again in the way you do. It's just constant negativity post after post. Jumping on anything the club tries to do to improve the matchday experience simply because you aren't happy with what's being put out on the pitch. Nobody is happy with the situation but many of us can see that the owner is doing what he can to improve the club. Yes many of us want Moore gone but that decision in itself shouldn't be a stick used to beat the owner with. I'm the first person to get my bottom lip out when the product on the pitch is shite as I have done this weekend but I like to think I'm level headed enough to separate on field matters with off them. As Justaguy said why can't both be improved? As I've pointed out to you before, I don't post constant negativity. You only choose to see negativity. You completely ignore anything positive that I post. I heavily praised the club yesterday for being so good to the ex players they invited back to the ground on Saturday. They made a bunch of ex pros extremely happy with their hospitality. Have you posted in that thread or even acknowledged it? Because that certainly isn't negative. You are one of several posters on here that chooses to only see what could be construed as negative posts but completely ignore anything that is positive. That's why I lose my temper and react, because it's frustrating to be branded as something you're not. |
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Post by Sio on Jan 15, 2024 13:22:11 GMT 1
It's like he thinks Darren Moore is in charge of running the light show. pretty sure a bulb would go out close to the show starting and a complete change of approach would be required. Your defence of DM is honourable 😂 |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2024 13:22:11 GMT 1
This. We don’t have the fan base attending and purchasing foods to the greedy league level, and considering the constraints of FFP, we need investment in the team but that cannot purely come from the owners pockets. It’s a cycle, a chicken and egg situation; does the owner throw cash at the team and hope something changes but risk fair play penalties or does he balance investment in the team with structural changes and improving the experience on match days to encourage us fans to sink more £ in too? My kids love going and they’re not little now, but we still buy the odd bit from the shop, have a drink or some fodder. If the fanzone had been around when they were little they’d have loved getting photo’s and autographs from players. Heck, even the 20 something child was a bit wide eyed seeing the two Transformer characters there on Saturday! Personal opinion is that the approach so far is right. Get the off the pitch experience and offering improved alongside the on pitch performance. Fans who want a drink in town and roll in for 14:50 can do so but let the club be pulled into the 21st century, we have to move with the times. The stadium needs a bit of TLC, get a couple of fans pubs - one in town and the Ropewalk, keep the fanzone. Potentially get the stadium into the fold alongside the club with concerts or even comedy shows going on. Revenue can be driven but clearly the council and the way the three owners haven’t worked well together hasn’t promoted that line of income. We can’t forget that the owner is new to these shores and the club. He’s making the right noises and making the right kind of moves so far (in the main - jury is out on certain appointments) compare him to some owners of others clubs, and his interest and passion so far, alongside actively trying to get to know the fans and appreciate the Yorkshire lingo. We can go back to the years of Keith Longbottom and Malcolm McDonald if we stand still, drop down the leagues, or we can get behind someone who so far is trying his best to get his feet under the table and understand the fans (why wouldn’t he - he needs us to attend and pay our £) and look to try be competitive in this league. As always time will tell if this is the right approach or not but let’s give it chance. And fair play Justasmithers from sticking your head above the parapet on here. Be consistent with it through good and bad please. 👍🏻 We've got comedy shows at the stadium every other saturday atm 😖😉😁 |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jan 15, 2024 13:22:18 GMT 1
Seems a decent bloke to me. Gave reasonable responses to my posts re Moore and assured that the club are well aware of the vast majority of fans feelings on him.
I would say if he is going to call himself a HTAFC advisor and make a bee line of engaging with fans to see who we are, what we think etc, then there will always be an element of overlap with regards to football matters. Add to this he clearly has the ability to pass over these opinions/feelings of fans to Kevin et al, he will always be someone fans will voice an opinion on all matters to.
Regards light shows etc not my bag but I couldn't really care less either way, if it brings more revenue into the club then crack on. I do also agree that if the results come, along with a charismatic leader eg Wagner, things will tend to look after themselves regards fans happiness, but yes why not have both 🤷♂️
I do however totally agree the stadium needs some tlc, first time I have been for a good while last Saturday and in parts its showing its age.
Anyway all in all, seems like a good bloke (as does Kevin) who is prepared to listen to fans opinions and feed them back. Just hope they don’t leave things too late.
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Jan 15, 2024 13:23:01 GMT 1
You say that other people have similar points but nobody repeats them over and over again in the way you do. It's just constant negativity post after post. Jumping on anything the club tries to do to improve the matchday experience simply because you aren't happy with what's being put out on the pitch. Nobody is happy with the situation but many of us can see that the owner is doing what he can to improve the club. Yes many of us want Moore gone but that decision in itself shouldn't be a stick used to beat the owner with. I'm the first person to get my bottom lip out when the product on the pitch is shite as I have done this weekend but I like to think I'm level headed enough to separate on field matters with off them. As Justaguy said why can't both be improved? As I've pointed out to you before, I don't post constant negativity. You only choose to see negativity. You completely ignore anything positive that I post. I heavily praised the club yesterday for being so good to the ex players they invited back to the ground on Saturday. They made a bunch of ex pros extremely happy with their hospitality. Have you posted in that thread or even acknowledged it? Because that certainly isn't negative. You are one of several posters on here that chooses to only see what could be construed as negative posts but completely ignore anything that is positive. That's why I lose my temper and react, because it's frustrating to be branded as something you're not. The thing you seem to be missing here is that you made your point to Justaguy about the product on the pitch being paramount to anything else in your first post. He acknowledged this and came back with a very reasoned response, finishing with the line 'why can't we have both?'. You then go on to make several more posts all saying the same thing. "product on the pitch" etc etc etc. It's like you're not reading the replies and taking in the information you're been given, you're just shouting your same point over and over and not accepting the answer. You might not see it like that, maybe it's not your intention, but that's exactly how it comes across. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 13:24:44 GMT 1
As I've pointed out to you before, I don't post constant negativity. You only choose to see negativity. You completely ignore anything positive that I post. I heavily praised the club yesterday for being so good to the ex players they invited back to the ground on Saturday. They made a bunch of ex pros extremely happy with their hospitality. Have you posted in that thread or even acknowledged it? Because that certainly isn't negative. You are one of several posters on here that chooses to only see what could be construed as negative posts but completely ignore anything that is positive. That's why I lose my temper and react, because it's frustrating to be branded as something you're not. The thing you seem to be missing here is that you made your point to Justaguy about the product on the pitch being paramount to anything else in your first post. He acknowledged this and came back with a very reasoned response, finishing with the line 'why can't we have both?'. You then go on to make several more posts all saying the same thing. "product on the pitch" etc etc etc. It's like you're not reading the replies and taking in the information you're been given, you're just shouting your same point over and over and not accepting the answer. You might not see it like that, maybe it's not your intention, but that's exactly how it comes across. Okay, no worries. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2024 13:27:48 GMT 1
My point was more the people arguing with him and giving him grief for things that are way out of his control. It’s mainly the same person doing most of the arguing to be fair. Isn't he allowed an opinion ? |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 13:29:04 GMT 1
It’s mainly the same person doing most of the arguing to be fair. Isn't he allowed an opinion ? No. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2024 13:32:55 GMT 1
You know what, you can all just fuck off. I haven't even done anything wrong. Mekkin friends again bro.. 😂😂😂😂 He's right though and yet he'll get the ban again and the ones ganging up on him will just carry on as normal. |
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Post by henryc on Jan 15, 2024 13:34:50 GMT 1
It’s mainly the same person doing most of the arguing to be fair. Isn't he allowed an opinion ? Where has anyone suggested that he isn’t allowed an opinion? People are disagreeing with a point that he’s made over and over again, is that not ok? |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2024 13:36:11 GMT 1
Isn't he allowed an opinion ? Where has anyone suggested that he isn’t allowed an opinion? People are disagreeing with a point that he’s made over and over again, is that not ok? It's a fucking pile-on |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2024 13:38:50 GMT 1
People get wound up because you refuse to listen to anyone else's constructive feedback. Yes, light shows and fan zones and better food options aren't for you. As someone in their late 30s with no kids who started at Leeds Road they aren't for me either. But if they help keep kids happy, and therefore their parents more likely to bring them as well as turnup themselves, then its does me or you no harm whatsoever. Yes, we all want to be better on the pitch first and foremost but one doesn't take from the other. It's like he thinks Darren Moore is in charge of running the light show. From what was said about the one before the Preston match, it sounds like he is 🤣 |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 15, 2024 13:40:04 GMT 1
Wonder what that would look like. Pure darkness while Hurt by Johnny Cash plays  How much more enjoyable would that have been on Saturday 👍👍👍 |
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Post by Galpharmer on Jan 15, 2024 13:49:12 GMT 1
It's like he thinks Darren Moore is in charge of running the light show. I wish he was. Slow and uninspiring. |
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Post by bentley316 on Jan 15, 2024 13:50:45 GMT 1
I dont see the harm in trying new stuff for the matchday experience. Getting kids and women more invested and comfortable going can only be a good thing.
Having pre, mid and post match activities doesnt stop older/more traditional fans doing what they usually do.
If they stop serving beer and letting people in after 2 then id see the point. But people can still show up at 2:59 and have a drink at half time. You just might have to listen to more Olivia Rodriguez 🤣
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jan 15, 2024 14:00:58 GMT 1
There are a few quick fixes to the existing matchday experience, and they all relate to catering.
The catering staff are all too slow and too inexperienced. Saturday I ordered " a two-pinter of Amstel, a two-pionter of Town lager and a meat and potato pie please".
I may as well have asked for a snifter of furdle-juice, a full hog roast and a hand shandy for the look of bewilderment I was given. And it's every week.
You can look at light shows, cheerleaders, live music and all that but the basics can be fixed easily.
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Post by upthetown on Jan 15, 2024 14:05:41 GMT 1
It’s mainly the same person doing most of the arguing to be fair. Isn't he allowed an opinion ? Of course… certainly never suggested otherwise. But repeating the same point over and over even when the guy has taken the time to directly reply does seem over the top (in my opinion) |
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Post by Wingman on Jan 15, 2024 14:07:09 GMT 1
Where has anyone suggested that he isn’t allowed an opinion? People are disagreeing with a point that he’s made over and over again, is that not ok? It's a fucking pile-on Have to agree it comes across that way when reading back through the thread. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 15, 2024 14:16:39 GMT 1
If we start doing well on the pitch, the "matchday experience" will take care of itself, I assure you. But for who? I think we can bring in more women supporters, more kiddos, many many more than the diehards that are already present. I promise you music and halftime shows or whatever it will be won’t hurt anyone, and if the performance on the pitch is good everyone wins. In short: why not both? I think this is an important point. I'm 45. Been a fan since 1987. I like to go to the pub, have a few pints and either a natter or a sing song, go to the game, go back to the pub after the match for another pint then home. Half time, I might get a beer or a pie or something. Couldn't care less what happens at half time. If we win & play well I enjoy it more than if we lose & play badly. A mate of mine started taking his son to the game. The lad just spent the entire time on his games console regardless of whether we were winning, losing or whatever. The lad drifted away, didn't really fancy it and as a result my mate stayed at home looking after the kids at the 2022 playoff final. Something to keep the kids entertained? If it keeps the kids coming to football, great. If you don't have the kids with you and it's not your thing, so something that is. |
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Post by Lovechops on Jan 15, 2024 14:21:17 GMT 1
Again, augmented match day experience and winning on the pitch can both happen. No one is talking about playing Creed songs mid match I assure you. You said you're not trying to Americanize anything, but that's exactly what you want to do. Stuff like this has been tried before at clubs, including Town. It doesn't work, as we're there to watch the football. Do you really think people are going to turn up to watch a light show, or some spectacle before the match? You're 25 years too late as Barry Rubery tried all this when he took over and it soon wore off as football fans in this country just aren't interested. Sort the stuff out on the pitch, give us a competitive team at this level and a manager that tries to win games, and I promise you you'll see a difference. The thing is kids see light shows etc on the gaming boxes and premier leagues on tv etc so these things do bring in kids who have to bring parents so yes why not both , ok you may feel it’s cringe but there’s not just you attending . I don’t usually leave me seat at half time so to see something instead of playing on my phone why not 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Post by space hardware on Jan 15, 2024 14:24:36 GMT 1
It's like he thinks Darren Moore is in charge of running the light show. pretty sure a bulb would go out close to the show starting and a complete change of approach would be required. No, he'd then pointlessly swap out all the other bulbs into nonsensical positions and stand there wondering why nothing worked. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 15, 2024 14:25:07 GMT 1
Lolllll cmon man. I was in the suite for about 5 minutes before going back outside, and I met who they told me to meet (nice guy). I would’ve loved to have met the youth team lads, but I had no idea. Kevin and I are old friends I’m here to learn about the club and supporters and say what I say No I will not say that, and no I will not suggest THAT. Yes I’ve said that and I’ve also said THAT so kindly please get out of my DMs with scouting reports as I have absolutely ZERO INFLUENCE on football things directly nor do I know any of you well enough to know whether or not you do either 😂 Anyway since you made a whole thread which you shouldn’t have, I thought it would be rude not to say something. Bottom line, I’m here to listen, learn, meet and talk to folks, and pass on what I see/hear. No one of any importance, just a keen observer. Pip pip carry on Not too sure on your knowledge of football, but either way you surely have to see how bad we are? I understand your point in that you have no influence in football matters but you must be able to gauge the general consensus on here. That is one of Moore is not up to the job, the majority of fans have had enough, are disillusioned and want him gone. I can tell you this, it is very very rare for a manager in Moores position to win back fans from where he is now. The run of results he needs to achieve that is approaching the impossible. Maybe a little word in Kevins ear ? First and biggest mistake he can make is that of pissing off/losing the fans. Thinking back, the last manager I can think of who did anything like that was Neil Warnock in his first spell here. We were dreadful in his first half season. I recall losing at home to Barnet who at the time had not taken a single point on the road and only one at home. FTR I'm not saying I think Darren Moore will make a Warnock-esque turnaround. Frankly I think he's hugely out of his depth. This is more a point of observation than a "keep faith with Darren Moore" post. |
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Post by goalden on Jan 15, 2024 14:29:33 GMT 1
Just as an alternative opinion - for some of us (me at least) it is not just about the results on the pitch.
1. Match day is about spending 4 or 5 hours talking to a bunch of mates where HTFC is our common denominator. I rarely see them outside of football, but it's a friendship group that has seen highs and (many lows) on the pitch. We meet in Town because it's convenient but within our group we probably spend on average £20 on parking and £30-40 in the pub. This is for six people. We arrive at the ground around 2.40pm, chat to some more people for 10 mins, and then take our seats.
This is £60+ of revenue that isn't going to the club x 23 games = £1380.
Get 1000 of us to arrive at the game early and do our pre-match at the Stadium and there is another £1.38m to spend on players (or at least revenue to offset FFP).
2. I suspect that this board is largely populated by middle-aged blokes mid 30's - 60's but the world is changing/has changed. Gen Z (those who were born before between 1995-2010) were born with tablet in their hands and want completely different things that the generation before them. I suspect that this includes real-time action replays, a choice of decent food, proper toilets (gender neutral for those of us with children of the opposite sex) and possibly aren't all that arsed about the tribalist singing/swearing that the old folk get involved in. This year sees 30 years since we moved into the stadium, but sadly many of use won't see the next 30 years. The next generation will though and that's why we need to evolve and create an environment that is designed to their needs.
I say all this despite being as horrified as everyone else that at one point on Saturday every player was playing out of position except Helix and Nicols.
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Post by upthetown on Jan 15, 2024 14:31:43 GMT 1
pretty sure a bulb would go out close to the show starting and a complete change of approach would be required. No, he'd then pointlessly swap out all the other bulbs into nonsensical positions and stand there wondering why nothing worked. He’d still find a place for Reg. |
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Post by htfcterry on Jan 15, 2024 14:43:33 GMT 1
Where has anyone suggested that he isn’t allowed an opinion? People are disagreeing with a point that he’s made over and over again, is that not ok? It's a fucking pile-on It was a good thread before the pile-on too.. I thought everyone brought valid points to the table. 🤷♀️ My personal opinion is I don't care about light shows, half time shows, fan zones etc - I want to turn up and see us win football games, have an identity and support a club where fans & everyone involved are pulling in the right direction. No doubt my views may change in a few years if I bring my young lad - he may like a light show or some half time games or something. But, the most important thing right now is what is happening on the pitch is addressed asap - otherwise we'll be in league one, then it'll be even harder to get new fans/kids/women through the gates. We've been looking over our shoulder for months (infact most years!) hoping the teams below don't win. For what it's worth I think the fanzone/everything going on outside the ground looks as if its working. But walking out the ground after the game the atmosphere is always subdued, because of what's been served up on the pitch. The pre-match entertainment is likely to be soon forgot about if you watch 2 hours of dross. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jan 15, 2024 14:52:41 GMT 1
It was a good thread before the pile-on too.. I thought everyone bought valid points to the table. 🤷♀️ My personal opinion is I don't care about light shows, half time shows, fan zones etc - I want to turn up and see us win football games, have an identity and support a club where fans & everyone involved are pulling in the right direction. No doubt my views may change in a few years if I bring my young lad - he may like a light show or some half time games or something. But, the most important thing right now is what is happening on the pitch is addressed asap - otherwise we'll be in league one, then it'll be even harder to get new fans/kids/women through the gates. We've been looking over our shoulder for months (infact most years!) hoping the teams below don't win. For what it's worth I think the fanzone/everything going on outside the ground looks as if its working. But walking out the ground after the game the atmosphere is always subdued, because of what's been served up on the pitch. The pre-match entertainment is likely to be soon forgot about if you watch 2 hours of dross. Nail on the head. |
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Post by workshyfop on Jan 15, 2024 14:58:04 GMT 1
pretty sure a bulb would go out close to the show starting and a complete change of approach would be required. No, he'd then pointlessly swap out all the other bulbs into nonsensical positions and stand there wondering why nothing worked. He’d be putting a bayonet bulb into a screw fitting. Then take it out on 60 minutes and try another bayonet … The screw lightbulb has been leant to Blackpool illuminations. |
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Post by blue1003 on Jan 15, 2024 15:00:26 GMT 1
The whole thing about the lights is a pylon.
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Post by Amigo on Jan 15, 2024 15:01:40 GMT 1
Give the guy a break he doesn't own the club and has said he has nothing to do with the footballing side of things so saying "YOU persist with one of the worst managers" blah blah is ridiculous. He's not persisting with anyone, from what I can gather he's just trying to learn about the club and fans and what they generally like and dislike and pass on anything he thinks might be relevant. To get battered everytime he posts something is just stupid. Also, how many of us started supporting Town because we were battering teams every week? We were shit when I started, and stayed that way for quite a number of years with crowds less than the 5k mark. It was just the buzz of going to a game and quite often at the start because I might get a wagon wheel and a scolding bovril for my troubles. So if they have a few ideas that might attract a few kids to come more regularly then what's the problem? If a grown adult can put up with it and a few kids or other adults love it then what's the problem really? All just seems like a good excuse to have a moan rather (and to completely the wrong person!) than being anything like productive. I thought you'd pipe up. He's come on here and wants to hear what Town fans think. So I've told him what one Town fan thinks. No-one is battering anyone. He's also said he's not really much to do with the footballing side so why go on about it, you're also repeating yourself over and over again as if you're speaking for everyone, but you're not, it's only your opinion so just make it and move on. Instead you repeat and repeat (not just this thread many many others) until someone nibbles then you go off on one. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's a bad idea, I don't see the need to keep repeating yourself. You've made a post and given your opinion. Fine, done, leave it. The "results on the pitch will change everything" just isn't true either, there's many, many other ways to get people coming to the ground which is clearly what they're exploring and trying out. Absolutely nothing wrong with it, some things will work, some won't, but let them try without picking everything apart over and over again. |
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Post by detox on Jan 15, 2024 15:03:13 GMT 1
Well no one goes to a spanking new all mod cons Cinema if the film they're showing is rubbish...but are more likely to go to a 2nd rate cinema where a good film is being shown...football is no different.
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