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Post by shelbourne on Oct 18, 2008 20:56:57 GMT 1
Some guy was trying to convince my Mrs today that ST has had a great managerial career spanning 30 yrs. I`d argue that he has not been always been in management indeed he seems to have some big gaps in his career which are unaccounted for? So what did he do in the gap years How I wish his next gap would appear right now www.soccerbase.com/managers2.sd?managerid=1143 |
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Post by andyhudd on Oct 18, 2008 20:59:29 GMT 1
With a new manager in, our players would suddenly start playing superbly would they? Win every game 4-0 would we?
It's just not the solution!
It's a slow process, but we're getting there. Give Stan a bit of time, will ya? Hoyle's clearly behind him, so calling for his head's unlikely to achieve anything!
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Post by shelbourne on Oct 18, 2008 21:00:37 GMT 1
OK then Dean Hoyle has got it wrong and so have you
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Post by andyhudd on Oct 18, 2008 21:02:46 GMT 1
Loving the justifications.
How about you discuss things, rather than just state your opinion and respond to everyone else's with - "you're wrong, you're wrong"??
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 18, 2008 21:05:01 GMT 1
 Im willing to give him until the new year, another few months to see where we are in mid january, not the answer to keep getting new managers. he hasnt had a fair chance yet whatever anyone says.
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Post by marshterrier on Oct 18, 2008 21:09:59 GMT 1
He's got all season for me.
We may miss out on the play-offs that some people are desperate for us to achieve, however if by season end we look like a decent team heading in the right direction then I'll be happy.
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Post by boothylegend on Oct 18, 2008 21:15:53 GMT 1
He's got all season for me. We may miss out on the play-offs that some people are desperate for us to achieve, however if by season end we look like a decent team heading in the right direction then I'll be happy. I agree. With Hoyle we're going in the right direction sooner or later, there's no need for everyone to get so anxious for immediate achievement. Although, we've already had two awful home performances (I missed MK) if they continue to repeat themselves I may take a different slant. |
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Post by rotary on Oct 19, 2008 11:38:48 GMT 1
I think they have made it quite clear he will go if we don't make the play offs.
Therefore he will be sacked at about the same time as Ritchie last year.
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Post by monkbar on Oct 19, 2008 11:44:50 GMT 1
I think the problem is next years season tickets. If the rest of this season is as poor as most of it has been so far then how many are going to get a ticket even if it remains at a bargain price. look at the amount of people already not turning up.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Oct 19, 2008 11:44:55 GMT 1
A lot of people are deluding themselves with Ternent's past record.
He's got no prior experience of working with a large budget, and has always done well at clubs where he's had to start completely from scratch. He seems to have employed the same strategy at Town, despite inheriting a half-decent side (not good enough for promotion, but certainly not far off being). A complete overhaul was NOT was needed this season, but is what has happened. It seems like Ternent has a one-track mind of how to manage a football club, and didn't really take in his surroundings when joining Town.
I'm still in support of Stan, but just wanted to make the above points.
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Post by Davey Monroe on Oct 19, 2008 15:57:59 GMT 1
During the 'gaps' he was a well respected coach/assistant manager at various clubs including Chelsea & Crystal Palace. He's roughly spent 12 seasons as an actual manager in which time he's won promotion 3 times - an average of 1 promotion every 4 seasons, not bed eh? I see you've deleted your account because not everyone agrees with your opinions - how funny! Bye bye!  |
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Post by styrene45 on Oct 20, 2008 17:52:21 GMT 1
After the grief he gets on here by the keyboard warriors and abuse from the stands im surprised he hasn't walked. Testament to his character. Give the guy time FFS, and that doesn't mean 11 games without winning every one 5-0. He is a great coach, NOT just a manager. He's also a top bloke who WILL defend his players when they require it. If you want excuses, cowardly interviews etc try Wenger or most the the Prem League bosses week in week out. Or am I watching a different game???
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 20, 2008 19:03:53 GMT 1
Well respected coach at Chelsea? I take it you haven't read his book Davey! Everyone there treat him like dirt on their shoe.
Not sure what makes some of you so certain Hoyle is firmly behind Ternent like you make out. He's not going to say anything else if asked directly is he, but I took his comments prior to the Darlo game about needing to be in the play offs, wanting to see better performances and results and the next 6 games all being winnable as a clear message that things MUST improve quickly or action will be taken.
Darlo- shocker
Swindon- good result
Bristol- not so good
These 2 away games coming up will have a large bearing in how much behind Ternent Hoyle really is IMO.
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Post by ksne on Oct 20, 2008 19:08:50 GMT 1
So it is not only me that feels that Dean Hoyle is not altogether enamoured by our current manager.
I still think DH will not take much more of ST.
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Post by monkey on Oct 20, 2008 19:27:08 GMT 1
I think the person who decided we will be promoted first time round, play offs or otherwise, has a LOT to answer for  |
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Post by Davey Monroe on Oct 20, 2008 19:29:18 GMT 1
I have indeed read his book Slapps and whilst I'd have to agree he was treated like dirt at Chelsea he also made many friends in his time at The Bridge.
Clearly I used Chelsea as an example of the caliber of clubs who have employed Mr Ternent in the past.
As for Mr Hoyle's faith in Stan, I too took the very large hint that if we don't start climbing the table soon then Mr T will be shown the door. (when Dean Hoyle actually takes over as chairman)
My post was in response to Shelbourne's initial attack on Stan where he rather strangely claims he has gaps in his career that are 'unaccounted for'.
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Post by ksne on Oct 20, 2008 19:33:37 GMT 1
I`m getting confused here.I read ST`s book and I`m sure he was out of work at times?
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Oct 20, 2008 19:38:38 GMT 1
I`m getting confused here.I read ST`s book and I`m sure he was out of work at times? he was out of work at times in fact once or twice he packed it in and took over a pub on time didnt he |
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Post by ksne on Oct 20, 2008 19:41:35 GMT 1
I`m getting confused here.I read ST`s book and I`m sure he was out of work at times? he was out of work at times in fact once or twice he packed it in and took over a pub on time didnt he I thought I wasn`t getting that forgetful |
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Post by nseventee on Oct 20, 2008 20:00:17 GMT 1
During the 'gaps' he was a well respected coach/assistant manager at various clubs including Chelsea & Crystal Palace. And Derby, don't forget them, he was ace there too! uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU |
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Post by shelbourne on Oct 20, 2008 20:00:19 GMT 1
I have indeed read his book Slapps and whilst I'd have to agree he was treated like dirt at Chelsea he also made many friends in his time at The Bridge. Clearly I used Chelsea as an example of the caliber of clubs who have employed Mr Ternent in the past. As for Mr Hoyle's faith in Stan, I too took the very large hint that if we don't start climbing the table soon then Mr T will be shown the door. (when Dean Hoyle actually takes over as chairman) My post was in response to Shelbourne's initial attack on Stan where he rather strangely claims he has gaps in his career that are 'unaccounted for'. Sorry for the blip in my account yesterday I deleted rather than modified my account  I wanted to say that he hasn`t always been in a managerial post or even a coaching role throughout the last 30 yrs I also to be honest could not be bothered to argue my defence I was too darned mad |
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Post by Davey Monroe on Oct 20, 2008 20:03:19 GMT 1
I`m getting confused here.I read ST`s book and I`m sure he was out of work at times? He was! He even signed on once before getting a job at a ginger & brown clad team from the basement division (I forget what they're called!) He wasn't out of Football for too long and the initial statement that sparked this row - " Stan Ternent has had a great managerial career spanning 30 yrs." - can be justified as easily as it can be scoffed at in my opinion. Sorry for any confusion ksne ;D |
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Post by Davey Monroe on Oct 20, 2008 20:08:28 GMT 1
Sorry for the blip in my account yesterday I deleted rather than modified my account I wanted to say that he hasn`t always been in a managerial post or even a coaching role throughout the last 30 yrs I also to be honest could not be bothered to argue my defence I was too darned mad Fair play mate! When you wrote "Big gaps" I presumed you meant the time in between being an actual manager. Oops.  |
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Post by shawsie on Oct 20, 2008 21:37:26 GMT 1
Well respected coach at Chelsea? I take it you haven't read his book Davey! Everyone there treat him like dirt on their shoe. Not sure what makes some of you so certain Hoyle is firmly behind Ternent like you make out. He's not going to say anything else if asked directly is he, but I took his comments prior to the Darlo game about needing to be in the play offs, wanting to see better performances and results and the next 6 games all being winnable as a clear message that things MUST improve quickly or action will be taken. Darlo- shocker Swindon- good result Bristol- not so good These 2 away games coming up will have a large bearing in how much behind Ternent Hoyle really is IMO. Agree re the next 2 games slapps but surely any new manager deserves more than 15/20 games?? As you say we were shocking at darlo - but one simple reason for that - too many of the old guard who aint good enough were playing!! We are playing well away from home - much better than for a long time, however that system isnt as well suited to home games when we have to break sides down. Hopefully some points this week on the road will settle us down ready for the big south stand pilgrimage !! ;D ;D the following tues against yeovil!! |
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Post by thrice on Oct 20, 2008 22:09:01 GMT 1
Well respected coach at Chelsea? I take it you haven't read his book Davey! Everyone there treat him like dirt on their shoe. Your reading/seeing what you want to again Captain. The book reads that the only one at Chelsea who mistreated him was Porterfield. He was well respected by the other staff and players. |
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Post by hughphamism on Oct 20, 2008 22:13:49 GMT 1
I don't think Dean will sack Stan if we lose our next 2 games. OK, the pressure might increase but I doubt it'll be any more than that.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Oct 20, 2008 22:31:00 GMT 1
I can't be bothered to re-hash old justifications.
Dean Hoyle is not a moron, and will not sack Stan.
We are fans, our opinions on footballing matters are irrelevant.
Given time, Stan will get us promoted.
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Post by hotdog on Oct 21, 2008 9:46:27 GMT 1
we are the fans- our opinions DO matter actually tomtheterrier. Why do you think they got rid of Rich-T?, someone inside the club told me it was because if they didn't they were looking at 6,000 season ticket sales for the next season. All clubs rely on their fans, if you dont have the fans on your side you have problems, look at Newcastle. Hence if the majority of fans want Ternent out, Hoyle & Co will take notice, which rest assured they already have done.
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Post by In sooth- - on Oct 21, 2008 10:06:12 GMT 1
Are you suggesting that Hoyle & Co. have have already assumed that the majority want Ternent out.
That is a broad statement.
I give you the chance to re-phrase some of your words.!
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 21, 2008 10:08:17 GMT 1
Well respected coach at Chelsea? I take it you haven't read his book Davey! Everyone there treat him like dirt on their shoe. Your reading/seeing what you want to again Captain. The book reads that the only one at Chelsea who mistreated him was Porterfield. He was well respected by the other staff and players. This will be the players who constantly took the p*ss out of him and refered to him as BBC - bibs,balls and cones, cos thats all he did? Yes, very respected. |
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Im willing to give him until the new year, another few months to see where we are in mid january, not the answer to keep getting new managers. he hasnt had a fair chance yet whatever anyone says.
