ben555
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Post by ben555 on Dec 28, 2008 22:37:13 GMT 1
When we scored the second goal, their defender dragged Cads to the floor and was clearly the last man. Why was he not sent off after the goal was scored?
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Post by marshterrier on Dec 28, 2008 22:37:47 GMT 1
Because the ref played advantage
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Post by ben555 on Dec 28, 2008 22:39:03 GMT 1
Because the ref played advantage And he denied a goal scoring opportunity for Cads, sending off no question IMO |
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Post by thebluearmchair on Dec 28, 2008 22:39:42 GMT 1
Yes, but the ref today wouldn't have known that those are the rules !!
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Post by stevvy on Dec 28, 2008 22:40:17 GMT 1
yup,its like if a defender handles the ball on the goal line but another player heads it in barely a second later,the ref will generally give the goal,rather than the penalty and the red card-had roberts not been there to score,then he'd have been sent off
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Post by samhudds on Dec 28, 2008 22:40:30 GMT 1
A red card is shown if the last man prevents a clear scoring opportunity, so as the ref played advantage and we scored, it would have been very harsh to be shown red
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Post by marshterrier on Dec 28, 2008 22:40:43 GMT 1
He may have, but he chose to let the foul go as Town were in a position to score.
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Post by Mastercracker on Dec 28, 2008 22:41:04 GMT 1
He wasn't going to give anything, he waved away cads appeals.
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Post by boothylegend on Dec 28, 2008 22:43:05 GMT 1
It should have been if the ref was allowed to use common sense. I seem to remember when we beat Sunderland in the cup (the 4-2 at the SOL), one of their players handled on the line and Holdsworth put in the rebound. Since the ref had played the advantage he could only book their player for the handball on the line, or something like that...  |
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Post by Tez on Dec 28, 2008 22:48:10 GMT 1
Anyone else see the playback of Robbo's goal? Saw it in the concourse after the game...Terry the Terrier made up a lot of ground chasing after Robbo.  |
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Post by stevvy on Dec 28, 2008 22:49:50 GMT 1
It should have been if the ref was allowed to use common sense. the referee (and the 2 linesmen) wouldnt know common sense if it came up behind them,tapped them on the shoulder,then punched them in the face when they turned round |
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Post by westhtafc on Dec 28, 2008 22:53:29 GMT 1
It should have been if the ref was allowed to use common sense. I seem to remember when we beat Sunderland in the cup (the 4-2 at the SOL), one of their players handled on the line and Holdsworth put in the rebound. Since the ref had played the advantage he could only book their player for the handball on the line, or something like that... The game you refer to, A town player had a header "saved" on the line by a defender with his hand. Holdsworth then scored the rebound. The goal was still given but the defender was sent off! The goal should have either just stood with no sending off or a penalty awarded and a sending off i would have thought |
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Post by stevvy on Dec 28, 2008 22:54:58 GMT 1
thats what id assume as well,but obviously that night we were lucky to get the goal,and end up facing 10 men (obviously today it wudnt have made a difference as it did that night,seeing as roberts pass into the back of the net was the final touch of the match)
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Post by boothylegend on Dec 28, 2008 22:56:00 GMT 1
It should have been if the ref was allowed to use common sense. I seem to remember when we beat Sunderland in the cup (the 4-2 at the SOL), one of their players handled on the line and Holdsworth put in the rebound. Since the ref had played the advantage he could only book their player for the handball on the line, or something like that... The game you refer to, A town player had a header "saved" on the line by a defender with his hand. Holdsworth then scored the rebound. The goal was still given but the defender was sent off! The goal should have either just stood with no sending off or a penalty awarded and a sending off i would have thought Was he sent off then? I thought he was sent off for a second booking later on. You're probably right though; my memory of it is hazy. |
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Post by stevvy on Dec 28, 2008 22:57:52 GMT 1
just checked the match report on our OS for that game-the goal was given,and he was sent off for deliberate handball once the goal had been given
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Post by kosi on Dec 28, 2008 22:59:23 GMT 1
Listening to radio humberside a bit afterwards and their summariser was saying they should have had a blatant penalty. Didnt catch who and why but can anyone recall this incident??
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 28, 2008 23:03:12 GMT 1
Err... wasn't that the Robbie Williams leaning incident? Got to admit I was worried that the ref was going to give it or see the useless liner flag for it.
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Post by boothylegend on Dec 28, 2008 23:10:41 GMT 1
Yeah, they should've really but given what he was giving fouls for we should have had 2 or 3 free kicks in the build up. It would've been harsh on us as they weren't creating many chances. And I stand corrected regarding the incident at Sunderland  . |
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Post by ukricharduk on Dec 28, 2008 23:12:40 GMT 1
The official line on today's incident is:
"If the referee applies advantage during an obvious goal-scoring oppurtunity and a goal is scored directly, despite the player commiting a foul or handling the ball, the player cannot be sent off but he may still be cautioned."
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Post by reinwoodboy on Dec 28, 2008 23:16:22 GMT 1
Offence is denying opponent a goalscoring opportunity, as we scored this wasn't the case. Correct decision = Yellow card.
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Post by betsvigi9 on Dec 29, 2008 0:23:02 GMT 1
Offence is denying opponent a goalscoring opportunity, as we scored this wasn't the case. Correct decision = Yellow card. The Observer has an 'if you were the ref' section in the sports pages. One of the scenarios today was kind of similar. The goalkeeper brings down a player who is about to score. Before the ref blows his whistle, a defender belts the ball into the back of the net. What does the ref do? The answer was, he awards the own goal and books the goalkeeper for unsporting behaviour. If the defender hadn't deliberately scored the own goal, then he would have awarded a penalty and sent the GK off. Since the goal was scored, he didn't prevent a goal scoring opportunity. I reckon that the defender who brought Cadders down, should at worst have been booked, but given it was literally the last kick of the game, who cares. |
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Post by specialun on Dec 29, 2008 0:49:46 GMT 1
I haven't got a clue what the ref did and didn't give in the end, I even doubted he gave our second goal - but what anybody could see, was that 90% of his decisions were WRONG!
A worse refereeing performance than when we had him last year v forest.
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Post by pozza on Dec 29, 2008 0:58:32 GMT 1
Was there really any point in sending the guy off? I mean come on, the game didnt even re-start after the game.
If it had have happened the other way round, and it was a Town man who'd have hauled someone to the ground and was sent off with only seconds to go everyone on here would have been saying it was daft to send someone off with so little time left.
That was the about the only thing the idot got right all game IMO.
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Post by stevvy on Dec 29, 2008 1:02:34 GMT 1
tbh though pozza,you cant use that as an excuse-a red card offence,is a red card offence,be it the first kick of the game,or the last
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Post by pozza on Dec 29, 2008 1:14:41 GMT 1
tbh though pozza,you cant use that as an excuse-a red card offence,is a red card offence,be it the first kick of the game,or the last I know it is mate, but people would be complaining if it happened to us, and as pointed out in the thread you cant actually send him off anyways  I'm just saying if any Town player is sent off with only seconds remaining people would complain about it saying whats the point. Seem to recall reading similar when Parker was sent off deep into injury time earlier this season in fact. Everyone says Refs should use common sense, in this instant the Ref did and folk still have a go. Not like its going to make any difference no anyways, we scored from the "foul" and the game didnt even kick off again. Just forget about it and enjoy the win  |
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Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Dec 29, 2008 1:56:33 GMT 1
Because the ref played advantage And he denied a goal scoring opportunity for Cads, sending off no question IMO Town scored a goal, the ultimate penalty for an infringement ,and the game ended so there was no further advantage/penalty to either side. A red card was unnecessary and would indeed have been extremely harsh. |
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Post by betsvigi9 on Dec 29, 2008 8:51:15 GMT 1
tbh though pozza,you cant use that as an excuse-a red card offence,is a red card offence,be it the first kick of the game,or the last But because we scored, he didn't prevent a goal scoring opportunity therefore it wasn't a red card offence! |
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Post by jimmyjazzjazz on Dec 29, 2008 10:34:12 GMT 1
Was there really any point in sending the guy off? I mean come on, the game didnt even re-start after the game. If it had have happened the other way round, and it was a Town man who'd have hauled someone to the ground and was sent off with only seconds to go everyone on here would have been saying it was daft to send someone off with so little time left. That was the about the only thing the idot got right all game IMO. There seems little point in sending him off but the referee has to apply the rules. If it had happened with 10 minutes to go he would have been sent off. The point of a sending off is the player is suspended etc. which makes a difference to future games, so he should have gone whenever the foul was committed. Suspensions can have a big effect on a temas performance. |
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Post by sjc1980 on Dec 29, 2008 13:17:46 GMT 1
Having watched it back myself, I'm not sure if their defender or Cads actually commited the first offence - they were leaning all over each other as far as I could see...
That said, the referee was shocking; I predicted he would be from the moment he started being picky before the game even kicked off (making Roberts move his foot back about 3 inches).
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Post by pozza on Dec 29, 2008 14:36:10 GMT 1
Was there really any point in sending the guy off? I mean come on, the game didnt even re-start after the game. If it had have happened the other way round, and it was a Town man who'd have hauled someone to the ground and was sent off with only seconds to go everyone on here would have been saying it was daft to send someone off with so little time left. That was the about the only thing the idot got right all game IMO. There seems little point in sending him off but the referee has to apply the rules. If it had happened with 10 minutes to go he would have been sent off. The point of a sending off is the player is suspended etc. which makes a difference to future games, so he should have gone whenever the foul was committed. Suspensions can have a big effect on a temas performance. He apply the rules Rules state if you play an advantage then you can't send the player off, only caution him. Which the ref did. "If the referee applies advantage during an obvious goal-scoring oppurtunity and a goal is scored directly, despite the player commiting a foul or handling the ball, the player cannot be sent off but he may still be cautioned." So, according to the rules, the ref got 100% correct. |
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