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Post by andyeastleake on Feb 24, 2009 14:25:26 GMT 1
On another thread it was suggested that Town's highest earners are on £6,000 / £7,000 per week (with another poster going as high as £8,000).
Is this really correct?
The last average earnings statistic I can find gives UK average earnings as £433 per week.
As much as I love football, I find it impossible to even begin to justify a third division footballer earning 15 times the average person.
....and if the rumours that football is still the sport of the working man I'd suggest the earnings of the average supporter will probably be lower than the country as a whole.
I know that that very nice man Mr Stan Ternent (not at all arrogant in any way) described a £70,000 salary as "F*** All" in his book but I hadn't realised even our players would be so far off the scale.
*Apologies for starting a new thread but I didn't want this to appear simply a dig at Smithies.
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Post by therealyogibear on Feb 24, 2009 14:30:01 GMT 1
Think you pay those sort of wages for exceptional players in this league. Hopefully Smithies will be exceptional. I think the only reason we would pay that amount is cause we know we would lose him for free.
I reckon our average would be nearer £2000-£3,000
Personally speaking I agree with Stan. Its a high responsibility job with constant spotlight on you.
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Post by benhomly on Feb 24, 2009 14:39:21 GMT 1
Think you pay those sort of wages for exceptional players in this league. Hopefully Smithies will be exceptional. I think the only reason we would pay that amount is cause we know we would lose him for free. I reckon our average would be nearer £2000-£3,000 Personally speaking I agree with Stan. Its a high responsibility job with constant spotlight on you. High responsibility job? Where's your smiley thing!! It's just a bloody game at the end of the day - they don't produce anything of importance, they don't save lives etc etc. In fact most of the time they just piss people off
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 14:43:59 GMT 1
Think you pay those sort of wages for exceptional players in this league. Hopefully Smithies will be exceptional. I think the only reason we would pay that amount is cause we know we would lose him for free. I reckon our average would be nearer £2000-£3,000 Personally speaking I agree with Stan. Its a high responsibility job with constant spotlight on you. High responsibility job? Where's your smiley thing!! It's just a bloody game at the end of the day - they don't produce anything of importance, they don't save lives etc etc. In fact most of the time they just piss people off Amen to that. A fireman/surgeon/soldier has a high pressure job and work long hours. Not kick a ball around a few hours most days and then for a couple of hours on a Saturday. If they don't do their job properly - nobody suffers/dies.
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Post by therealyogibear on Feb 24, 2009 14:44:59 GMT 1
But look at the stick you have to take. Appreciate that they're not saving lives but unfortunately thats the nature of the world and those who do jobs like that are not rewarded as they should be.
Taking all things into consideration, I would agree with what he says. Don't necessarily think he deserved if after what he did but I would expect Clark to be on 100k+
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 24, 2009 14:49:56 GMT 1
Most jobs dont save lives/produce anything important. Do Lawyers/Solicitors/Financial Advisors and others deserve similar? Its just supply and demand. They are 2 levels below the league containing some of the best players in the world, lots of sportsman earn similar yet footballers get all the flack.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 24, 2009 14:52:39 GMT 1
I have no sympathy for managers. I mean I bet pretty much every poster on here would jump at the chance to earn £70k a year (with the opportunity to earn far more) working 5 two hour days a week with a 4 hour "shift" on a Saturday!
Then if you fail you get paid about a 6 figure sum (tax free as it's severance?), spend 6 months on the golf course or catching a few complimentary footy game before jumping back on the gravy train at the next club. Brilliant!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 14:56:55 GMT 1
Most jobs dont save lives/produce anything important. Do Lawyers/Solicitors/Financial Advisors and others deserve similar? Its just supply and demand. They are 2 levels below the league containing some of the best players in the world, lots of sportsman earn similar yet footballers get all the flack. I agree with that and I don't just think it about footballers. Basketball players, for example, earn ridiculous sums of money. I just think that they get paid too much and too much too young. I think it all stems from prices within football being too high. From there, things have just spiralled to silly money.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 15:00:16 GMT 1
Only 1 thing to blame for all this, well maybe 2...
Sky TV & Agents...
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Post by benhomly on Feb 24, 2009 15:02:41 GMT 1
But look at the stick you have to take. Appreciate that they're not saving lives but unfortunately thats the nature of the world and those who do jobs like that are not rewarded as they should be. Taking all things into consideration, I would agree with what he says. Don't necessarily think he deserved if after what he did but I would expect Clark to be on 100k+ Look at the stick you have to take!!!! I'd take that kind of stick for £6k a week and wouldn't give a shit as i'm sure most of them don't. Plenty of people take a lot more stick than that and get paid a pittance. It's a doddle of a life, you're paid a small fortune for basically keeping fit and healthy, you get to travel all over the country (and in some cases all over the world) staying in some very nice hotels and you get most of the day off. It's a hard life isn't it
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Post by artysid on Feb 24, 2009 15:03:45 GMT 1
Have said it before, but it would be far more sensible if the League employed all the players and set the pay structure rather than individual clubs
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 24, 2009 15:06:19 GMT 1
Have said it before, but it would be far more sensible if the League employed all the players and set the pay structure rather than individual clubs That would be like the Government setting a pay structure for all of us, who would want that?
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Post by artysid on Feb 24, 2009 15:07:56 GMT 1
No, it would be like the post office setting the pay structure for all their postman
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 24, 2009 15:10:31 GMT 1
No, it would be like the post office setting the pay structure for all their postman Yes but the postman work for the post office. Footballers wouldnt be doing a job for the FA/Football League, they (in our case) do a job for Huddersfield Town.
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Post by artysid on Feb 24, 2009 15:16:47 GMT 1
That’s the point. If you read my earlier post, players would be employed by the football league and paid by them.
Players would be assigned to work at location ie club the League chooses in accord with a set of criteria agreed by all the clubs with transfer etc still being part of that criteria
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Post by boothylegend on Feb 24, 2009 15:18:19 GMT 1
Most jobs dont save lives/produce anything important. Do Lawyers/Solicitors/Financial Advisors and others deserve similar? Its just supply and demand. They are 2 levels below the league containing some of the best players in the world, lots of sportsman earn similar yet footballers get all the flack. That's all it boils down to. Some footballers in the world are in a limited supply of one and have the demand that pretty much every football club in the world would want them. And it's the same at our level, but on a smaller scale. Smithies is in a limited supply; a young English goalie with a lot of potential. He's also in high demand; look at how many clubs are monitoring him. Therefore, his wages are going to be inflated. Not defending it, or saying that it's fair. But that's the way of the world. Street cleaners are much more vital to the world than footballers; they stop the spreading of disease etc. but there's a huge supply of people capable of cleaning the streets. The result; low wages for street cleaners.
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 24, 2009 15:18:31 GMT 1
A couple of years ago the average div 3 player salary was about 70k pa and at the time our average was just under that ( despite having double the average D3 income, yet still making a big loss eh Ken!) I reckon you're box standard Town 1st teamer now is on something like 2 to 3 grand a week but with some- Lucketti,Roberts, Pilks etc being on getting on double that.
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Post by therealyogibear on Feb 24, 2009 15:20:18 GMT 1
But look at the stick you have to take. Appreciate that they're not saving lives but unfortunately thats the nature of the world and those who do jobs like that are not rewarded as they should be. Taking all things into consideration, I would agree with what he says. Don't necessarily think he deserved if after what he did but I would expect Clark to be on 100k+ Look at the stick you have to take!!!! I'd take that kind of stick for £6k a week and wouldn't give a shit as i'm sure most of them don't. Plenty of people take a lot more stick than that and get paid a pittance. It's a doddle of a life, you're paid a small fortune for basically keeping fit and healthy, you get to travel all over the country (and in some cases all over the world) staying in some very nice hotels and you get most of the day off. It's a hard life isn't it I don't understand your argument. I thought I was talking about managers on 70k - 100k? Or in another way less than 2k per week. Regarding people taking stick and getting paid a pittance I think I agreed with you in my previous mail by saying people who save lives aren't paid what they are worth I wouldn't consider a managers job to be a doddle of a life. Its a lot more than taking a 2 hour training session. In a lot of cases its a 7 day a week job. Theres only 92 of them in the football league and whats the average job expectancy - I'd be surprised if its more than 2 years Travelling round the country - is it really a perk to have to visit Scunthorpe, Oldham, Stockport??
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 24, 2009 15:32:30 GMT 1
If you were talking about the life of a football scout I would agree, it's not glamorous with litte job security and not huge pay I guess I doubt managers though catch more than one other game a week. If we get to the stage were we're about to make a bid for a player I guess Clark himself would go but until that point he probably delegates to one of his staff At Town other than Clarke (who I do think is hard working) we have loads of coaches, McDermott (Assistant Manager), Frazakerly (Coach), Stephenson (Development Coach), Black (Fitness Coach), Vaughan (Goalkeeping coach) ... and that's just the senior playing side! We then have scouts (Young any more?), to my mind two physios (Buckley and Hirst) and I think Andy Kiwomya involved with the Fitness stuff I wouldn't mind but they even have Brooky to wash the kits and collect the cones after training! I'd love to know how they all fill there day after training ends at say 11.30
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Post by benhomly on Feb 24, 2009 15:37:17 GMT 1
Sorry i thought you were on about the players. I'd be surprised if our manager was only on £100k a year, i'd have thought more like double that. But even then i'd be quite happy to sign a 3 or 4 year contract on that kind of money and take the stick that they take. Again they're not making life changing decisions they're just picking a team to play a game of football and if they get it wrong who gets hurt? It is totally insignificant at the end of the day and if a few hundred people in the crowd get so upset about the outcome of a few games of football and start hurling abuse at the manager then so what? If i was that manager i would be laughing under my breath at those sorry individuals!
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Post by dunnyouhavebeen on Feb 24, 2009 15:40:39 GMT 1
I know for a fact one of the fringe players (not going to mention his name) recently signed a contract of £25K a year.
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Post by therealyogibear on Feb 24, 2009 15:41:27 GMT 1
Fair enough Ben - I think we're agreeing on the whole that a lot of people don't get what they deserve but ultimately it ain't a fair world!
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 24, 2009 15:46:01 GMT 1
Fair enough Ben - I think we're agreeing on the whole that a lot of people don't get what they deserve but ultimately it ain't a fair world! Yep, like has been said people just get paid relative to how many people can do their particular job, not how important or difficult it is. Its not fair but ultimately thats capitalism.
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Post by mickydombat on Feb 24, 2009 18:38:59 GMT 1
£500 A WEEK IS ENOUGH FOR ANY PLAYER AT THIRD DIV. LEVEL. MOST OF THE TOWN PLAYERS CAN'T SHOOT, TACKLE OR PASS SO THEY DESERVE NO MORE.
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Post by pozza on Feb 24, 2009 19:03:34 GMT 1
I have no sympathy for managers. I mean I bet pretty much every poster on here would jump at the chance to earn £70k a year (with the opportunity to earn far more) working 5 two hour days a week with a 4 hour "shift" on a Saturday! So you think Lee Clark only works 14 hours a week
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Post by iangreaves on Feb 24, 2009 19:07:24 GMT 1
Yep, like has been said people just get paid relative to how many people can do their particular job, not how important or difficult it is. Its not fair but ultimately thats capitalism. Malvin must be worth a fortune. No-one can lose control of his limbs the way Malvin can.
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Post by andyeastleake on Feb 24, 2009 19:50:36 GMT 1
Just to clarify my quotation from the Geordie Messiahs book.
£70,000 was the initial offer from Burnley to take the managers job in 1998. No doubt he accepted a higher salary (and was also on a much higher salary than that Town).
My main objection to the quote is that IMHO it's tone is insulting to the efforts of Nurses/Firemen etc. on a fraction of that salary to talk about the salary in such dismissive terms.
IMHO it just about summed up the man.
Whatever he was paid by Town he didn't deserve it.
With regard to other comments about supply & demand etc. I think you should remember football lies outside the world "normal" businesses operate in.
Like many on this board I've chucked money into "begging buckets" for clubs like Town, Wrexham & Rotherham. I can think of no other industry whose companies I'd support in this way.
It is irresponsible of the industry that third rate players can be paid so much when the industry simply cannot afford that level of wages.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 19:54:30 GMT 1
I have no sympathy for managers. I mean I bet pretty much every poster on here would jump at the chance to earn £70k a year (with the opportunity to earn far more) working 5 two hour days a week with a 4 hour "shift" on a Saturday! I would imagine most decent managers work as many hours as most of us on here do. Training is just a small part of a managers day.
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Post by andyeastleake on Feb 24, 2009 19:56:46 GMT 1
I know for a fact one of the fringe players (not going to mention his name) recently signed a contract of £25K a year. Whilst you are entirely correct not to give any names, could you give an indication (by say a range of expected number of first team games the player would play) of how much of a "fringe" player you're talking about. PS Whilst £6,000 pw is IMHO off the scale at one end, £25k per year is possibly a bit too low (but I'd play for a lot lot less if they were interested).
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 25, 2009 10:18:00 GMT 1
I don't know Murphy has balanced managing the first team, the reserves and academy at the same with only the help of Mitchell, Vaughan and Howath on three occassions. Dario Gradi did this for 20 years at Crewe! So how hard does Clark (who I think is excellent btw) have to work as he has double the backroom of most in League One (at Barnsley Richie only had him and Rick Holden!) and doesn't need to worry about the academy so can take his Sundays off as well as I guess another day during the week After training ends I'm sure managers find stuff to fill there day but what exactly that is I'm not sure. Maybe visit a few sick kids in hospital or watch a dvd of the up coming opponents / past game (not too taxing is it!). The players aren't there so they're not working with them, would love to know what Clark and the other half dozen coaches do the rest of the time BTW over Xmas I saw Clark in the gym on a running machine at 4.30 on a Saturday evening (Town were playing on Sunday) so I know he's about and not slacking!
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