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Post by ligament on Mar 21, 2009 20:43:22 GMT 1
collins...... say no more. i,ll put my tin hat on. DISCUSS
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Post by mattyterrier2k8 on Mar 21, 2009 20:45:24 GMT 1
i was at the ground today but i dont think collins was and i wish tom clarke wasnt aswell
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 20:47:00 GMT 1
i used to say he goes missing..............now he doesnt turn up over rated and ready for the chop along with about 12-15 more of our bunch of pansy squad....we need men not boys to get out of this division.
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Post by Mark on Mar 21, 2009 20:47:32 GMT 1
Did you enjoy his shot that rocketted off the bar in the first half?
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Post by monkey on Mar 21, 2009 20:47:48 GMT 1
Got to admit, I did actually keep a look out for all this stuff he does off the ball. I threw my biased view out the window and actually made a conscious effort to 'see' this tracking back and hassling, I wanted to see it.
I'll let you know when I do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 20:52:06 GMT 1
1 shot that hit the bar...........thats ok then now i see why we let our midfield get over run everygame. you need to be able to get stuck in,pass and score the odd goal in midfield. the latter being a bonus.
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Post by ligament on Mar 21, 2009 20:52:55 GMT 1
midfield engine room
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Post by alecjackson6 on Mar 21, 2009 20:55:25 GMT 1
The point is that under the system we play, with two wingers and two strikers (Roberts and Pilkington are wingers and not midfielders in any shape or form), we are always going to be outnumbered in midfield. How can any two men (usually Collins and Goodwin) cope with three or four opposition midfielders. The problem is that Clark always persists with the same formation. The formation needs to change according to the circumstances.
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Post by monkey on Mar 21, 2009 20:57:26 GMT 1
One thing I did note was that when Goodwin lost the ball (okay, not the best start) he came out from infront of the back four to win it back, not once did collins drop back (not necessarily into the whole, just 5yards or so). Leaving us rather exposed to say the least.
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Post by ligament on Mar 21, 2009 21:11:01 GMT 1
One thing I did note was that when Goodwin lost the ball (okay, not the best start) he came out from infront of the back four to win it back, not once did collins drop back (not necessarily into the whole, just 5yards or so). Leaving us rather exposed to say the least. correct monkey. play flynn or craney in there.(far much more work rate). two good strikers collins would not get a sniff.
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Post by mattyterrier2k8 on Mar 21, 2009 21:12:45 GMT 1
imo collins will never fit in with 4-4-2 only in 4-5-1 with a holding midfielder but even then i dont know how much he would contribute, he needs to concentrate on his all round game in the summer ie tackling, getting stuck in and influence
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Post by ligament on Mar 21, 2009 21:15:08 GMT 1
yep easier to to cheat in 4-5-1.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 21:15:14 GMT 1
Collins did OK today, Goodwin was awful
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Post by 2peregrine on Mar 21, 2009 21:15:34 GMT 1
I've said it before about Collins ...the guy isn't as good as Flynn and Craney. He needs a rest.
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Post by davhtfc on Mar 21, 2009 21:59:03 GMT 1
Collins, a so called goal scoring midfielder, is a luxury at this level of football. If we had any sort of return from our entire strike force then his contribution to the goals scored column would have been overlooked by most people seeing that he brings nothing much to the team over than that occasional goal.
It is imperative that Clark brings in two proven strikers as my concern is that next year it is unlikely the midfielders will not contribute as many goals , roberts included.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 21, 2009 22:11:34 GMT 1
What actually did collins contribute today?? Absolutely f.....all!!! His partner goodwin was probably worse and to be fair the pair of em have been crap for weeks now!! Why not try somebody else in there, cos neither of them appear good enough consistently to get us out of this league! Worthy aint good enough and has had enough chances, but flynn hasnt had any run of games to prove his worth and craney for all his weaknesses stamina wise hasnt had a run either - why not try berrett also?He is potentially the best of the lot for me, but he wont get there if he never plays. As for the wide areas - pilks is class down both sides and is a shoe in for a slot, but lionel and roberts are enigmas, both have little snippets of pure class mixed with more consistent periods of mediocrity!! We might have loads of midfield players but i still dont think we have any that are truly good enough consistently!
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Post by TTerrier on Mar 21, 2009 23:08:55 GMT 1
need more of a dog fighter to get out of this division. Collins goes game after game contributing nothing and then every 7 or 8 games he will score a tap in and gets massively praised for it. goodwin looked useless aswell today, play flynn and craney in mid imo.
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Post by therealyogibear on Mar 21, 2009 23:26:17 GMT 1
Funny looking at this cause I'm probably his biggest critic yet I actually thought he was much more involved today than usual and that was a cracking shot off the bar. Still think we need to replace him but from my perspective he had his best game that I have seen for a while
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Post by iangreaves on Mar 22, 2009 9:14:34 GMT 1
He hasn't been great for a while but yesterday Collins was very poor (although he was not the only one). Continually gave the ball away. He gave it away for their second goal as we broke out of defence and then stood arguing with a team mate as Cheltenham ran past him and put the ball in the net.
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Post by kleverboy on Mar 22, 2009 9:42:45 GMT 1
Goodwin is the one we should be discussing. In order for Collins to shine we would have to have a player of considerably more quality than Goodwin at his side. Collins has for some time taken all the flak on here when it's Goodwin who is wearing the Emperors new clothes!
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Mar 22, 2009 9:50:45 GMT 1
Goodwin is the one we should be discussing. In order for Collins to shine we would have to have a player of considerably more quality than Goodwin at his side. Collins has for some time taken all the flak on here when it's Goodwin who is wearing the Emperors new clothes! or the same quality as goodwin just more mobile and fitter
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Post by iangreaves on Mar 22, 2009 9:59:54 GMT 1
Goodwin is the one we should be discussing. In order for Collins to shine we would have to have a player of considerably more quality than Goodwin at his side. Collins has for some time taken all the flak on here when it's Goodwin who is wearing the Emperors new clothes! Goodwin has had more stick on this board over the season than Collins - largely because he was a Ternent signing. He was booed coming onto the pitch in one game I remember. It is to his credit that he has risen above that to put in some very good performances for the team. He didn't have a particularly good game yesterday. Very few players did. Collins' form has been in and out ever siince he broke into the first team. He was in the team at the start of the season but was dropped because he was playing poorly. When he got his chance again he scored some important goals, but his form has dipped again in recent games. Most people on here seem to think he needs two other players alongside him in midfield to enable hime to play well. To do that, you have to weaken some other area of the team. It seems a bit odd that you should need to do that when most other teams in the Football League seem able to cope with two men in central midfield.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 10:22:46 GMT 1
The shot in the first half was pretty much the only time I noticed him for the first 85-86 minutes.
Always in front of the ball behind a defender - unable to receive the ball and not tryin to win it back.
I'd try Flynn in there. He did more in the time he was on the pitch than Collins did all game for what I saw.
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Post by kleverboy on Mar 22, 2009 10:30:27 GMT 1
Goodwin is the one we should be discussing. In order for Collins to shine we would have to have a player of considerably more quality than Goodwin at his side. Collins has for some time taken all the flak on here when it's Goodwin who is wearing the Emperors new clothes! Goodwin has had more stick on this board over the season than Collins - largely because he was a Ternent signing. He was booed coming onto the pitch in one game I remember. It is to his credit that he has risen above that to put in some very good performances for the team. He didn't have a particularly good game yesterday. Very few players did. Collins' form has been in and out ever siince he broke into the first team. He was in the team at the start of the season but was dropped because he was playing poorly. When he got his chance again he scored some important goals, but his form has dipped again in recent games. Most people on here seem to think he needs two other players alongside him in midfield to enable hime to play well. To do that, you have to weaken some other area of the team. It seems a bit odd that you should need to do that when most other teams in the Football League seem able to cope with two men in central midfield. And that's my point exactly. He WOULD be able to do it in a two if Goodwin was better! As for Goodwin having had more stick on here than Collins... we must read a different board then!
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Post by rocky on Mar 22, 2009 10:38:18 GMT 1
There is some garbage talked on here about Collins. 8 goals from midfield this season. Didn't start playing regularly till Ternent went.
All of those goals have been in one goal wins or draws. Without them Town would be 12 points worse off & in the relegation places.
Stop finding faults with the parts of the team that are fine. Concentrate on where there is a fault.
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Post by kleverboy on Mar 22, 2009 10:41:35 GMT 1
There is some garbage talked on here about Collins. 8 goals from midfield this season. Didn't start playing regularly till Ternent went. All of those goals have been in one goal wins or draws. Without them Town would be 12 points worse off & in the relegation places. Stop finding faults with the parts of the team that are fine. Concentrate on where there is a fault. Hallelujah! The defence for example.
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Post by jimmymac1964 on Mar 22, 2009 10:42:47 GMT 1
There is some garbage talked on here about Collins. 8 goals from midfield this season. Didn't start playing regularly till Ternent went. All of those goals have been in one goal wins or draws. Without them Town would be 12 points worse off & in the relegation places. Stop finding faults with the parts of the team that are fine. Concentrate on where there is a fault. YEAH WELL SAID!!!the fault is,nt with cadermateria is it john!!!!but you want to get rid? ?open ya frigging eyes will ya if it wasent for cads we would of lost yesterday,and if the game went on for another 10 minutes we would of won!!!!!all because of 1 player CADERMATRIA,,,,,c ya old pal!!!when you see me again i will listen to the bollox you talk!!!!XXXXXX
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Post by rantinray on Mar 22, 2009 12:10:43 GMT 1
Which/who's mid-field would this be? You cannot be talking about ours! I did not know we had one. Whilst the game was in progress I made a note of our formation it was there to see, but only at the kick off
Collins a luxury which the team can no longer afford. Granted he has popped up with some fine goals but all in all his contribution week in week out is poor.
Our defense has holes in it so we need mid-field to slow the opponents attack rate down to help our sickly defense. Week in week out it does not happen.
Look at our goals for and goals against stats, they do not lie.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 22, 2009 12:23:18 GMT 1
I seem to recall many on here pointing fingers at liam dickinson for contributing sod all but he scored 6 goals - it is not dissimilar to collins! Having collins in your midfield engine room is a luxury we cant afford on the personnel we have at present - clark obviously rates him though and it maybe that with additions in the summer and some hard talking it may produce a different player next season.
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Post by AndySk on Mar 22, 2009 12:44:39 GMT 1
He just goes missing too much. Yesterday 1 great shot off the bar but little else. If we were Man united, fair enough, there would be great players around him to carry him. But we're an average 3rd division team. We need everyone to be in the game. I suppose that's why he's with us though, cos he's an average 3rd Division player. He's not the worst player we have by a long shot though
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