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Post by birkbybloke on Feb 1, 2011 23:56:47 GMT 1
"While human performance may be enhanced by a sense of well-being endowed by aesthetic pleasure, machines have no such need of beauty to perform their work tirelessly. Ornament becomes an unnecessary relic, or worse, an impediment to optimal engineering design and equipment maintenance. Fair enough fella - you enjoy the shite football. I like to see something a bit more entertaining, and I make no apology for saying it. "Immanuel Kant, writing in 1790, observes of a man "If he says that canary wine is agreeable he is quite content if someone else corrects his terms and reminds him to say instead: It is agreeable to me," because "Everyone has his own (sense of) taste". The case of "beauty" is different from mere "agreeableness" because, "If he proclaims something to be beautiful, then he requires the same liking from others; he then judges not just for himself but for everyone, and speaks of beauty as if it were a property of things." Andy2 - are you being a bit of a Kant :celebrate: |
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Post by Guest on Feb 1, 2011 23:57:25 GMT 1
Come to think of it, isn't this the same misery guts that was UNHAPPY with our 2-0 win over Southampton?
Why are some people football fans?
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Post by Andy on Feb 1, 2011 23:58:44 GMT 1
It cant be 90 minutes of brilliance every game you know. We didnt win that ugly, Roberts took his goals well and almost scored a sublime 3rd goal. I don't ask for 90 mins of brilliance, but I don't ask for 45 mins of hoofball either. Roberts did take his goals well, but the moves that led to both goals were the exception rather than the rule. I don't really care what the rest of this board think - it won't be the first time I've been at odds with the general consensus on here - but I can tell you that most people sat around me were very frustrated at the performance, and the style of play, today. We were all very happy with the result, but I lost count of the amount of times I heard someone say 'Get it on the floor'. The again, I suppose because DATM says different, we were all wrong. |
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Post by ritchie on Feb 1, 2011 23:58:58 GMT 1
do people want promotion or do they want exciting football? i honestly couldnt give a toss if i dont enjoy another match all season, providing we go up. i've had enough of this awful league.
there is plenty of excitement to come if we get promotion.
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Post by woolleyterrier on Feb 1, 2011 23:59:24 GMT 1
Disagree with me by all means, but at least try and post a constructive argument. Or are you too mentally challenged to do so? I'll post you a good argument........Do you honestly believe the players did us, as fans some kind of injustice tonight? How much would you have left in the tank after 90 mins battering a premiership team, a long coach journey then 45 mins full on against a strong physical side who could have been 2-0 up themselves? Even marathon runners have a limit. Oh, and I am far from mentally challanged but to echo the words above. Cock. |
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Post by Andy on Feb 2, 2011 0:00:54 GMT 1
Fair enough fella - you enjoy the shite football. I like to see something a bit more entertaining, and I make no apology for saying it. "Immanuel Kant, writing in 1790, observes of a man "If he says that canary wine is agreeable he is quite content if someone else corrects his terms and reminds him to say instead: It is agreeable to me," because "Everyone has his own (sense of) taste". The case of "beauty" is different from mere "agreeableness" because, "If he proclaims something to be beautiful, then he requires the same liking from others; he then judges not just for himself but for everyone, and speaks of beauty as if it were a property of things." Andy2 - are you being a bit of a Kant  I can live with that. I think what I think and I believe what I believe. No one can tell me that the second half was anything but an exercise in booting the ball as far up the pitch as possible. It worked, I'll give you that, but I didn't enjoy it. Sorry, if you don't like that, but that's how I feel. |
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Post by Guest on Feb 2, 2011 0:01:37 GMT 1
I don't really care what the rest of this board think Bye then :wave2: |
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Post by tedchippington on Feb 2, 2011 0:01:45 GMT 1
thing that bugs me is that mr kant posted his views on another thread,, got completely ignored,, so started his own thread in order to get some attention,, then don't like it when he is called an immanuel
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Post by Andy on Feb 2, 2011 0:02:19 GMT 1
Disagree with me by all means, but at least try and post a constructive argument. Or are you too mentally challenged to do so? I'll post you a good argument........Do you honestly believe the players did us, as fans some kind of injustice tonight? How much would you have left in the tank after 90 mins battering a premiership team, a long coach journey then 45 mins full on against a strong physical side who could have been 2-0 up themselves? Even marathon runners have a limit. Oh, and I am far from mentally challanged but to echo the words above. Cock. You post a reasonable argument and then let yourself down by resorting to personal abuse. Disagree with me all you want, but you show yourself up with cheap insults. |
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Post by Waar is dat feestje? on Feb 2, 2011 0:03:26 GMT 1
Fair enough fella - you enjoy the shite football. I like to see something a bit more entertaining, and I make no apology for saying it. there's a seat with your name on it at bradford city mate i hear they play expansive football. Stop being silly. He has an opinion. You disagree. Doesn't mean he is to be defrocked and ostracised to Valley parade.  |
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Post by bakadanet on Feb 2, 2011 0:03:47 GMT 1
You are nuts mate , looked good to me
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Post by Andy on Feb 2, 2011 0:04:25 GMT 1
thing that bugs me is that mr kant posted his views on another thread,, got completely ignored,, so started his own thread in order to get some attention,, then don't like it when he is called an immanuel No, I was going to post this thread anyway. I only posted my reply to Ben when I saw his post a the top of the board. I felt strongly enough to reply and then posted this thread as I intended to do so when I logged on. Disagree with me all you like, but at least get your facts right. |
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Post by woolleyterrier on Feb 2, 2011 0:04:50 GMT 1
Im bored of this thread now, were unbeaten this year and Im a happy terriers fan. Nite x
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Post by fitzyblue on Feb 2, 2011 0:04:56 GMT 1
i m loosing the will to live. :frusty:
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Post by duncan on Feb 2, 2011 0:08:06 GMT 1
Im bored of this thread now, were unbeaten this year and Im a happy terriers fan. Nite x Here here!!! Worst thread ever!! Admins get it deleted.... ALAN, ALAN LEEEEEEEE!!!!! |
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Post by golcarhammy on Feb 2, 2011 0:10:32 GMT 1
It cant be 90 minutes of brilliance every game you know. We didnt win that ugly, Roberts took his goals well and almost scored a sublime 3rd goal. I don't ask for 90 mins of brilliance, but I don't ask for 45 mins of hoofball either. Roberts did take his goals well, but the moves that led to both goals were the exception rather than the rule. I don't really care what the rest of this board think - it won't be the first time I've been at odds with the general consensus on here - but I can tell you that most people sat around me were very frustrated at the performance, and the style of play, today. We were all very happy with the result, but I lost count of the amount of times I heard someone say 'Get it on the floor'. The again, I suppose because DATM says different, we were all wrong. Ah now it makes sense u are a Carlisle fan sat in the Carlisle end with Carlisle fans around you....... |
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Post by Guest on Feb 2, 2011 0:13:26 GMT 1
Im bored of this thread now, were unbeaten this year and Im a happy terriers fan. Nite x Here here!!! Worst thread ever!! Admins get it deleted.... ALAN, ALAN LEEEEEEEE!!!!! SUPER, ALAN LEEEEEEEEEEE Feck it I'm jumping on the bandwagon, better than being one of these miserable bastards :iconlol: |
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Post by birkbybloke on Feb 2, 2011 0:13:27 GMT 1
Now I've dropped the devastating philosophical/comedy combo bomb I'll get serious a sec.
Andy, I love the passing game. I'm the only person I know who enjoys watching Spain giving it the tiki taka. I'm like a dog with two dicks watching Barca. Ask Dooky on this board how much I bore him to death about beautiful football. I preferred Lee Makel to Darren Bullock.
But more than anything I hate this division we're in. And I've reached the point of by all means necessary. This league is too full of cloggy lumps of meat for a pure passing game to succeed. Every team I've seen go up from this Paschendale quagmire get if forward quick to the big fella up front and have a midfield who spend 90 minutes wrestling. Go up and then we can think about refining things. But for the time being I'll live with the functional.
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Post by Guest on Feb 2, 2011 0:14:02 GMT 1
Im bored of this thread now, were unbeaten this year and Im a happy terriers fan. Nite x Here here!!! Worst thread ever!! Admins get it deleted.... ALAN, ALAN LEEEEEEEE!!!!! No. I like people making themselves look silly. |
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Post by sowerbyterrier2 on Feb 2, 2011 0:18:52 GMT 1
Whenever people start talking about performance versus results, it always brings this to mind for me. Most people would agree that if you win your home games and draw your away games, then you will be up there come the end of the season. So turn that on it's head. If town won every away game, and EVERY home game was a boring 0-0 draw, would the majority of fans be happy? We'd most likely get promoted but the average (home) fan wouldn't see a goal all season. Personally I'm of the opinion that football is an entertainment industry. I'd far sooner watch town play some great football, score plenty of goals and ultimatley miss out on promotion, than the other way round. It's the money men of football that try to convince us it's imperative that the club earns more money in higher divisions.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Feb 2, 2011 0:23:24 GMT 1
Yes, I know we got the win, and the result is the most important thing, but the performance tonight was very poor. In the first half we put one or two decent moves together but spent most of the time hitting long balls forward. In the second half we didn't play any football at all - spent the whole half lump the ball up in the air. How have we gone from the so-called 'Arsenal of League One' to the 'Wimbledon of League One'? One incident in the second half summed up our performance. For the first time all half we put three passes together and the ball ended up at Peter Clarke's feet - in 10 yards of space. What did he do? Panic and lumped the ball up into the air. This is the captain, the man who is meant to lead by example!I know I'll get loads of people saying 'I'll take lots of ugly wins until the end of the season' and 'We won, so stop moaning', but the performance really worries me. And the style of play. We don;t have the players to play route one, so why play it? Why play ball players in midfield and then boot the ball 50 yards over their heads? The worrying thing for me was it looked like the players were told to play that way. And its not a one off either - we've played that way quite a few times this season. Good result, but I really hope we start playing a bit more football soon because that was dire to watch. I can't disagree with you Andy and thought the same as you about the part in bold. Peter Clarke does panic and puts us under pressure sometimes with his woeful attempts at hasty clearances. We won and there wasn't much entertainment and you're right. The points are everything at the moment though so happy enough to win without it being pretty. |
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Post by Andy on Feb 2, 2011 0:24:20 GMT 1
Now I've dropped the devastating philosophical/comedy combo bomb I'll get serious a sec. Andy, I love the passing game. I'm the only person I know who enjoys watching Spain giving it the tiki taka. I'm like a dog with two dicks watching Barca. Ask Dooky on this board how much I bore him to death about beautiful football. I preferred Lee Makel to Darren Bullock. But more than anything I hate this division we're in. And I've reached the point of by all means necessary. This league is too full of cloggy lumps of meat for a pure passing game to succeed. Every team I've seen go up from this Paschendale quagmire get if forward quick to the big fella up front and have a midfield who spend 90 minutes wrestling. Go up and then we can think about refining things. But for the time being I'll live with the functional. You make a good points BikbyBloke, but I believe we can get out of this league with a combination of the functional AND the passing game. I believe we have player capable of doing both things, but I think we undersell ourselves when we take our better players out of the game by playing the ball in the air. Why play ball players like Joey, Pilks, etc and not give them the ball? I agree that we were never going to be able to play the football we played against Arsenal and today was always going to be more of a scrap. In that respect we got a good result against a potential banana skin of a team. That said, my complaint was not that we played direct football, but that we played it ALL OF THE TIME in the second half. There is a difference. It was the amount of long hoofs we played that annoyed me, not the fact we played them at all. Nothing wrong with a few long balls, but we relied SOLEY on this tactic and nothing else in the second half. We actually scored our goals from two decent moves - how many chances cames from long balls? Whether you prefer the passing game or a more pragmatic approach, surely that suggests we are more effective when we pass the ball? People always label me an idealistic purist, but I don't expect total football from Town. Never have. But I don't expect the other extreme either. I would like to see a combination of good football with the ugly stuff when needed. Its just a shame other posters can't see that and label me as something I am not. |
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Post by jimharrogate on Feb 2, 2011 0:25:09 GMT 1
Personally, I am prepared to watch "crap" for the next 6-8 weeks and get promoted rather than watching any more seasons of Division 3.
Tonight was a pretty good game with plenty of positives.
Of course Sunday was better but we were playing a top class side and the momentum was kept going tonight..
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Post by goodbet on Feb 2, 2011 0:27:49 GMT 1
I think that people want to see us play football because we are not a team that is set up to win ugly. Some teams are but we don't have the players for that.
We all would like to see free flowing football but we know that to continue winning we need to get our act together. Leeds played well in the first half of last season and then managed to struggle through the second half of the season playing poorly. They are the only team I can remember getting promotion from any division playing so badly.
We are not Leeds and have no wish to replicate how they played last time arroud. We want to get auomatic promotion, and because we have points to make up we need to win and we are not in a position to limp over the line. So I think (and I gather many others do) that we will not continue winning while we are playing poor football. I think that after a very hard game on Sunday we could not ask for too much more than three points tonight.
As we were obviously slowing down I think that we could have brought on the sub's a little earlier.
We could have been a little more adventurous but 3 points in the bag.
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Post by Andy on Feb 2, 2011 0:27:55 GMT 1
Here here!!! Worst thread ever!! Admins get it deleted.... ALAN, ALAN LEEEEEEEE!!!!! No. I like people making themselves look silly. I don't think having a belief and sticking to it is silly. Or is anyone who doesn't agree with you and the majority always silly?Sorry, I'll have to be more of a sheep in future. And it would appear that two other posters (only two, but two more than half an hour ago ;D) actually agree with me. Must be making themselves look silly too. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 2, 2011 0:31:21 GMT 1
People need to stop confusing entertainment and sport. They are not the same.
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Post by birkbybloke on Feb 2, 2011 0:32:18 GMT 1
Now I've dropped the devastating philosophical/comedy combo bomb I'll get serious a sec. Andy, I love the passing game. I'm the only person I know who enjoys watching Spain giving it the tiki taka. I'm like a dog with two dicks watching Barca. Ask Dooky on this board how much I bore him to death about beautiful football. I preferred Lee Makel to Darren Bullock. But more than anything I hate this division we're in. And I've reached the point of by all means necessary. This league is too full of cloggy lumps of meat for a pure passing game to succeed. Every team I've seen go up from this Paschendale quagmire get if forward quick to the big fella up front and have a midfield who spend 90 minutes wrestling. Go up and then we can think about refining things. But for the time being I'll live with the functional. You make a good points BikbyBloke, but I believe we can get out of this league with a combination of the functional AND the passing game. I believe we have player capable of doing both things, but I think we undersell ourselves when we take our better players out of the game by playing the ball in the air. Why play ball players like Joey, Pilks, etc and not give them the ball? I agree that we were never going to be able to play the football we played against Arsenal and today was always going to be more of a scrap. In that respect we got a good result against a potential banana skin of a team. That said, my complaint was not that we played direct football, but that we played it ALL OF THE TIME in the second half. There is a difference. It was the amount of long hoofs we played that annoyed me, not the fact we played them at all. Nothing wrong with a few long balls, but we relied SOLEY on this tactic and nothing else in the second half. We actually scored our goals from two decent moves - how many chances cames from long balls? Whether you prefer the passing game or a more pragmatic approach, surely that suggests we are more effective when we pass the ball? People always label me an idealistic purist, but I don't expect total football from Town. Never have. But I don't expect the other extreme either. I would like to see a combination of good football with the ugly stuff when needed. Its just a shame other posters can't see that and label me as something I am not. I've given you a positive, Andy, cos you've fought your corner eloquently on these boards for years.Respec. Off to bed to dream of Town outplaying Barca at the Nou Camp in years to come. Peace brothers and sisters  |
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Post by thrice on Feb 2, 2011 0:34:19 GMT 1
The game went off the boil in the second half but that is preferable to p*ssing goals away and ending up drawing or loosing.
I thought that tonight was a thoroughly enjoyable spectacle overall though. We did play some good stuff in the first half and kept a clean sheet. Good day at the office.
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Post by Andy on Feb 2, 2011 0:36:25 GMT 1
You make a good points BikbyBloke, but I believe we can get out of this league with a combination of the functional AND the passing game. I believe we have player capable of doing both things, but I think we undersell ourselves when we take our better players out of the game by playing the ball in the air. Why play ball players like Joey, Pilks, etc and not give them the ball? I agree that we were never going to be able to play the football we played against Arsenal and today was always going to be more of a scrap. In that respect we got a good result against a potential banana skin of a team. That said, my complaint was not that we played direct football, but that we played it ALL OF THE TIME in the second half. There is a difference. It was the amount of long hoofs we played that annoyed me, not the fact we played them at all. Nothing wrong with a few long balls, but we relied SOLEY on this tactic and nothing else in the second half. We actually scored our goals from two decent moves - how many chances cames from long balls? Whether you prefer the passing game or a more pragmatic approach, surely that suggests we are more effective when we pass the ball? People always label me an idealistic purist, but I don't expect total football from Town. Never have. But I don't expect the other extreme either. I would like to see a combination of good football with the ugly stuff when needed. Its just a shame other posters can't see that and label me as something I am not. I've given you a positive, Andy, cos you've fought your corner eloquently on these boards for years.Respec. Off to bed to dream of Town outplaying Barca at the Nou Camp in years to come. Peace brothers and sisters Cheers Birkby, but I don't think I'll be getting many more tonight. I've upset the masses but I don't regret a word I've typed tonight. And to those who resorted to personal insults - fuck 'em. |
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Post by sowerbyterrier2 on Feb 2, 2011 0:40:05 GMT 1
People need to stop confusing entertainment and sport. They are not the same. so you'd be happy with 0-0's all season at home if it got us promoted? |
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