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Post by henseventea on Apr 6, 2012 0:56:46 GMT 1
As an aside, when did library fines last go up?
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Post by Coddingtontripper on Apr 6, 2012 8:00:00 GMT 1
As an aside, when did library fines last go up? More to the point when will the last library close down?  |
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Post by charliedontsurf on Apr 6, 2012 8:19:36 GMT 1
By David Harrison - Daily Telegraph Last Updated: 7:10PM GMT 20/10/2011 Motorists face a sharp increase in parking fines if the
Government bows to pressure from councils. Local authorities outside London are lobbying
ministers for the right to lift their fines to the levels
imposed in the capital, taking the upper limit from £70
to £120. The call is backed by the British Parking Association,
a body representing councils and car park operators,
which says that current fines are not enough of a
deterrent. However, critics said that the move was an attempt
to increase revenue – in breach of government
guidelines. At a time when local authorities face
deep budget cuts, the news comes alongside speculation that local councils are secretly looking at ways to plug cash gaps in their budgets by raising levies in this and other areas. Library fines are also reportedly under scrutiny. Car parking charges are controlled by individual
councils throughout Britain, but outside London the
level of fine they can impose on motorists who break
the rules is set by the government. As a consequence, parking charges outside the
capital have risen sharply while fines have not
increased for nearly a decade. But the number of parking penalties issued has
jumped by up to 700 per cent in some areas since
councils took over parking controls from the police. The British Parking Association said that in some
areas the cost of a fine was only slightly more than
the cost of parking for a day. This encourages motorists to park in areas where
they risk incurring a penalty charge, a spokesman
said. He cited the example of Cambridge where it can cost
£23 a day to park – about the same as in London –
but where the standard fine for non-payment is £50,
or £25 if it is paid quickly. Fines must rise to prevent income from parking falling
below the cost of parking management which would
mean council taxpayers having to make up the
shortfall, according to the association. "Taxpayers should not have to subsidise other
people's parking infringements. Any increases would
affect only the minority of motorists who get tickets,"
the spokesman said. But motoring organisations attacked the proposals.
Paul Watters of the AA said it was illegal to use
parking fines to raise revenue. "That is in clear breach of the Secretary of State's
guidelines," he said. The guidelines state that local authorities should not
view civil parking enforcement as a way of raising
revenue. He said the Cambridge example was an "anomaly"
because "very few authorities outside London charge
over £20 to park for a day". Lincoln city council is one of the local authorities that
wants to increase its maximum charge, from £70 to
£80. The Government said it would consider the local
authorities' arguments but was concerned that it was
an attempt to raise revenue. Norman Baker, the transport minister, said: "I think
motorists will worry that this is perhaps a covert
attempt to raise money from them unfairly. That's not
the Department for Transport's objective in any shape
or form. "What we are doing is looking very objectively and
very fairly at the evidence presented to us by the
councils on the one hand and the British Parking
Association on the other hand."
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Post by iangreaves on Apr 6, 2012 10:56:24 GMT 1
Hopefully Bob will benefit from an "anyone but the above" mood. We need more alternatives to the established parties, who are all just screwing this country.
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Post by specialun on Apr 6, 2012 19:25:33 GMT 1
Excellent idea
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Post by Syran on Apr 8, 2012 11:08:14 GMT 1
I'm in Dalton ward so you get my vote. And our lasses.
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Post by Fantastic Mediocre on Apr 8, 2012 11:20:17 GMT 1
I'm in Dalton ward so you get my vote. And our lasses. It would be really helpful if you could contact Bob or Steve through chair@htsa-online.co.uk or by mob phone on 07926165863 so that they can get some idea of other issues that are affecting Dalton residents and not just the 'Stadium' shares. For example we understand that parking on match-days is an issue for some local residents. This is clearly something where Bob and HTSA can campaign to the benefit of both residents and supporters. |
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Post by Mirfield Lass on Apr 11, 2012 18:51:15 GMT 1
Just a shame I live in Mirfield although a couple of people at work live in the Dalton area so I will try to pursuade them to vote for you (both are Town fans too).
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Post by henseventea on Apr 12, 2012 1:18:28 GMT 1
As an aside, when did library fines last go up? More to the point when will the last library close down? When/where did any library close down? |
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Post by Coddingtontripper on Apr 12, 2012 8:30:52 GMT 1
More to the point when will the last library close down? When/where did any library close down? It's coming, government cuts are going to see to that, maybe not this year but it's coming. 14 October 2011 Campaigners today vowed to fight on after losing a legal battle to stop a London council closing half of its libraries. A High Court ruling allowing Brent to close six libraries was met with angry scenes as hundreds of protesters - mainly mothers and children - formed human shields to stop workmen boarding up the buildings. Today campaign group Save Our Six Libraries, backed by celebrities including playwright Alan Bennett, singer Nick Cave and bands Depeche Mode, the Pet Shop Boys and Goldfrapp, said the decision would be challenged. After successfully forcing the workers to abandon plans to board up the library in Kensal Rise last night, organiser Margaret Bailey, 60, said the legal battle would continue. "People are very angry, very disappointed, but at the same time there's a sense of buoyancy about it because we will appeal," she said. "They came to start measuring the windows for boards but there were around 150 people here and they went away. "We're a bit surprised that Brent moved so quickly, we thought the QC said Brent wouldn't do anything until Tuesday. It's very quick." A spokeswoman for Brent council said: "It was always our intention to close them as soon as possible." The six libraries are in Kensal Rise, Barham Park, Preston Road, Neasden, Cricklewood and Tokyngton. The council says the closures will help to fund improvements to the remaining library service, with a "mega-library" in Wembley, and contribute towards the £104 million savings it needs to make. But author Maggie Gee, protesting outside Kensal Rise library, said the plans were disastrous. She said: "This library was opened by Mark Twain in the 1900s. Parents need it, children after school, old people, people looking for work - more than 80 per cent of the borough don't want them to close. "They don't want to have to get on a bus and travel to Wembley. People need their local library." Campaigner Philip Bromberg, 52, said: "The first thing is that the fight will carry on. We've been told by our solicitors we will probably be able to appeal and we will do that." |
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Post by henseventea on Apr 12, 2012 10:45:56 GMT 1
I don't live in London.
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Post by Coddingtontripper on Apr 12, 2012 11:46:33 GMT 1
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Post by Fantastic Mediocre on Apr 12, 2012 12:19:07 GMT 1
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Post by henseventea on Apr 12, 2012 14:50:29 GMT 1
So the answer is...library fines haven't gone up recently and no libraries have closed. |
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Post by Coddingtontripper on Apr 12, 2012 15:25:14 GMT 1
So the answer is...library fines haven't gone up recently and no libraries have closed. Did i say they had?  |
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Post by LePoivre on Apr 12, 2012 18:51:08 GMT 1
I've now got a draft flyer ready but it needs printing in bulk.
However, I'm hoping to get a couple posted up in Kirkheaton shops tomorrow. If anyone else is prepared to print a few and distribute them please get in touch by PM or, preferably, by email to robertepepper@ntlworld.com
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Post by henseventea on Apr 12, 2012 19:21:09 GMT 1
So the answer is...library fines haven't gone up recently and no libraries have closed. Did i say they had? I didn't say you did! I was answering the questions I originally posed. |
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Post by henseventea on Apr 12, 2012 19:22:36 GMT 1
I've now got a draft flyer ready but it needs printing in bulk. However, I'm hoping to get a couple posted up in Kirkheaton shops tomorrow. If anyone else is prepared to print a few and distribute them please get in touch by PM or, preferably, by email to robertepepper@ntlworld.com Is there a version that can be shared online Rob? |
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Post by Coddingtontripper on Apr 12, 2012 19:25:34 GMT 1
Did i say they had? I didn't say you did! I was answering the questions I originally posed. Oh. :blink: ;D |
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Post by The Daddy on Apr 12, 2012 19:32:36 GMT 1
the internet will see off the libraries
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Post by LePoivre on Apr 12, 2012 21:56:37 GMT 1
I've now got a draft flyer ready but it needs printing in bulk. However, I'm hoping to get a couple posted up in Kirkheaton shops tomorrow. If anyone else is prepared to print a few and distribute them please get in touch by PM or, preferably, by email to robertepepper@ntlworld.com Is there a version that can be shared online Rob? Not sure how to do that :-( |
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Post by henseventea on Apr 12, 2012 23:07:03 GMT 1
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Post by henseventea on Apr 12, 2012 23:08:48 GMT 1
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Post by henseventea on Apr 12, 2012 23:30:15 GMT 1
Rob..just a point of clarity on your second bullet on page 2....the principle is right, but Ken didn't 'transfer the Giants share'.
The 'rugby club shares' remain in the same company that they were in from day one...Huddersfield Rugby League Football Club. Ken didn't 'move the rugby club shares', he 'moved the rugby club away frm the shares'.
The company that is performing in the Super League under the name Huddersfield Giants is an entirely separate company from the rugby club that was playing in Fartown prior to the Kirklees stadium being built, and that has never had the right of any share ownership in the stadium, can trace no legal lineage to HRLFC and was in fact born entirely out of the old Sheffield Eagles.
HRLFC (that had and still has the stadium 'rugby club share', in addition to the 'football club share') was renamed to Huddersfield Sporting Pride in 2004 (and had effectively been a dormant company for a few years prior to that, sitting with the KSDL shares, but not carrying on business as a rugby club).
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Post by tonywal on Apr 12, 2012 23:34:47 GMT 1
Turned into a shares thread.
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Post by henseventea on Apr 12, 2012 23:37:27 GMT 1
Turned into a shares thread. "turned into"?! I'm guessing you didn't read the original post? |
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Post by tonywal on Apr 12, 2012 23:41:46 GMT 1
Turned into a shares thread. "turned into"?! I'm guessing you didn't read the original post? Why the hell would I have time, I saw your name associated with the thread and gave up. I like Bob though he's a top lad. |
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Post by jimharrogate on Apr 13, 2012 8:32:30 GMT 1
the internet will see off the libraries
as well Kindles, ipads and cheap book shops and charity shop swaps- my wife takes hers back to the charity shop and pays £1 for another which is cheaper than the bus fre to our nearest library.
We do need some but their use if falling away in most places and many kids play on mobiles or computer games plus of course TV.
Many no longer use their library and sadly some will be chopped
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Post by henseventea on Apr 13, 2012 10:19:24 GMT 1
It's all the other services which will 'save' libraries... Here's the list from just one..They barely mention the fact they have books! www.kirklees.gov.uk/events/venuedetails.asp?vID=59Libraries are probably the most accessible route to council services, in a typically pleasant environment...compared to just about every other interface you have with the council which are usually sterile and daunting encounters. Where they fail perhaps is that they only appeal to a certain part of society, those that 'rely' on council services more, new parents and those on lower incomes or elderley etc, perhaps they should be targeting new groups of people...I know the only reason I've really gone into my local library is to shelter for 30 mins after picking my daughter up from school when it's been absolutely tipping it down...and what a nice experience it was, she sat and read a load of books whilst I read some newspapers and had a peaceful time watching a bit of life pass by that I wouldnt normally. |
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Post by thrice on Apr 13, 2012 12:12:51 GMT 1
Get this emailed to all users at your work place (especially if you are in the Kirklees area) with a kind request to forward it on to as many as people as possible. :nodding:
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