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Post by mallyb on Apr 16, 2012 10:40:50 GMT 1
I thought it was a risk changing manager when we did. Clark had not done as well this season as I expected but I was still surprised when he was sacked. I thought there were better candidates out there but this isn't about who we should have chosen. It is essentially should we have stayed with Clark, glad we changed and got Grayson, or glad we changed but wish it was someone else.
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Post by foxy777 on Apr 16, 2012 10:44:10 GMT 1
Neither they are both wankers
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Post by Berty of Cleck. on Apr 16, 2012 10:44:47 GMT 1
No brainer at the moment.
We all hope Grayson gets us up through the play-offs,
but at the moment, the gamble looks to have failed.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 16, 2012 10:49:30 GMT 1
Surely the time to ask this would be after Grayson has assembled his team and had a couple of seasons?
If you want a fair comparison
In December 2008 Leeds appointed Grayson and Town appointed Clark. Both managers inherited sides on the same number of points - both were in theory above average squads for League One (Town having spent a lot of money that previous summer)
Grayson got his side (well the side he inherited) into the play offs
Clark spent decent money in January and was nowhere near the play offs that season
The next season Town again spent heavily in the summer...
Grayson won promotion, Town finished 6th (by default of Soton getting points docked) and limped out tamely to Millwall in the play offs
Give Grayson chance!
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Post by Berty of Cleck. on Apr 16, 2012 10:52:54 GMT 1
Surely the time to ask this would be after Grayson has assembled his team and had a couple of seasons? If you want a fair comparison In December 2008 Leeds appointed Grayson and Town appointed Clark. Both managers inherited sides on the same number of points - both were in theory above average squads for League One (Town having spent a lot of money that previous summer) Grayson got his side (well the side he inherited) into the play offs Clark spent decent money in January and was nowhere near the play offs that season The next season Town again spent heavily in the summer... Grayson won promotion, Town finished 6th (by default of Soton getting points docked) and limped out tamely to Millwall in the play offs Give Grayson chance! I agree that Grayson should be judged in a couple of years time, when he has had chance to build his own team. It is getting obvious now that we sacked Clark at the wrong time. He should have gone at the end of last season, or have been given this season. I can see why Dean did what he did, but at the moment it doesn't seem to have paid off. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 16, 2012 10:53:56 GMT 1
I don't think it was that much of a gamble. IMo Clark wouldn't have taken us up and the side was already getting found out as the mid-table quality it is, plus Jordan Rhodes.
So in theory,if it was a gamble it was a no-brainer one to take- ie- no chance or some chance.
Graysons dissappointed so far but I don't think the sides done any worse than I think it would have done under Clark anyway- like I say it was getting found out and lady luck and Rhodes was never likely to be able to carry such an average squad ALL season.
Think its unfair to hammer grayson until hes actually failed with his own team. At the moment hes just disappointing everyone with the mid-table one Clark put together for massive amounts of money.
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Post by 3 pipe problem on Apr 16, 2012 10:55:38 GMT 1
Surely the time to ask this would be after Grayson has assembled his team and had a couple of seasons? The discussion has been done to death. It's a simple question, who would you rather be in charge of Huddersfield Town today ? Sounds like your answer is Grayson which is fair enough. He's just looking for a simple answer, Grayson, Clark or someone else ? |
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Post by 3 pipe problem on Apr 16, 2012 10:57:51 GMT 1
the side was already getting found out as the mid-table quality it is, plus Jordan Rhodes. Aye, that's why we were in the top 4. |
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Post by stevvy on Apr 16, 2012 11:01:02 GMT 1
Bit of a pointless question. Clark has been gone for 2 months, why are we still talking about him? Regardless of how Grayson has done, there's no point asking who you'd want in charge today, because Clark isn't here and Grayson is in charge, so why ask the question?
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Post by Berty of Cleck. on Apr 16, 2012 11:04:45 GMT 1
Graysons dissappointed so far but I don't think the sides done any worse than I think it would have done under Clark Hard to prove, but there is no way we would lose 4 in 5 under Clark. Some were saying, it is better to lose some and win some than drawing loads. Well 5 draws would have been better than 1 win and 4 defeats. |
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Post by 3 pipe problem on Apr 16, 2012 11:06:00 GMT 1
Impossible to prove.
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Post by tonywal on Apr 16, 2012 11:06:31 GMT 1
Neither they are both wankers You are a clown. |
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Post by stevvy on Apr 16, 2012 11:12:08 GMT 1
but there is no way we would lose 4 in 5 under Clark. Really? Certainly not impossible. We may have had a long unbeaten run, but it's certainly possible that we could've lost 4 in 5 under Clark during his time here had he not been sacked (whether that be in this league, the Championship, this season, next season or whenever). |
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Post by mallyb on Apr 16, 2012 11:18:26 GMT 1
Bit of a pointless question. Clark has been gone for 2 months, why are we still talking about him? Regardless of how Grayson has done, there's no point asking who you'd want in charge today, because Clark isn't here and Grayson is in charge, so why ask the question? The reason for the question is that this board seems hugely divided as to whether the decision was right or wrong. Maybe it's not that divided just my biased perspective. Most polls are speculating on something and not as far as I am aware used as part of the clubs decision making process so I thought it would be ok. Do I plan to publish the results if they favour my view point as the opening gambit in my campaign to bring back Lee Clark for the Playoffs? Lets just wait and see what the results are first before we get carried away.javascript:add(' :iconlol: ') |
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Post by blimeyocrisis on Apr 16, 2012 11:18:37 GMT 1
Maybe Dean doesn't need to buy back the shares - maybe he can simply spend the money on a crystal ball that would solve all the problems...
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 16, 2012 11:18:50 GMT 1
To be honest I think this slump is more to do with Rhodes going a little off the boil than Grayson
Fact is we've not scored now in three games, if Rhodes doesn't score we're in a lot of trouble!
LC or SG as manager doesn't alter that fact - if LC was still manager now and Jordan not scoring we'd still be strugggling. Too many "passengers" in our starting 11 and LC signed them all (with the exception of Roberts, Smithies and Hunt ... ironically three of our better players plus Tom Clarke has been playing ok recently)
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 16, 2012 11:20:16 GMT 1
the side was already getting found out as the mid-table quality it is, plus Jordan Rhodes. Aye, that's why we were in the top 4. we were , and starting to get found out. All thats happened is we've carried on getting found out and are now 5th ( on goal diff). Teams that are top 4 USUALLY play with style and quality. You think we've done that this season? Fact is the quality of L1 this season is dire- and we have Jordan Rhodes. |
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Post by Berty of Cleck. on Apr 16, 2012 11:22:00 GMT 1
but there is no way we would lose 4 in 5 under Clark. Really? Certainly not impossible. We may have had a long unbeaten run, but it's certainly possible that we could've lost 4 in 5 under Clark during his time here had he not been sacked (whether that be in this league, the Championship, this season, next season or whenever). You are quite right, but we were talking about the last 5 games. Clark didn't lose 4 in 5 while at Town, and I don't believe he would have lost at Bournemouth or Preston. |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Apr 16, 2012 11:24:23 GMT 1
Aye, that's why we were in the top 4. we were , and starting to get found out. All thats happened is we've carried on getting found out and are now 5th ( on goal diff). Teams that are top 4 USUALLY play with style and quality. You think we've done that this season? Fact is the quality of L1 this season is dire- and we have Jordan Rhodes. We didn't do that last season either so maybe we should just be happy to have been lucky enough to be up there at all. |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Apr 16, 2012 11:25:44 GMT 1
Really? Certainly not impossible. We may have had a long unbeaten run, but it's certainly possible that we could've lost 4 in 5 under Clark during his time here had he not been sacked (whether that be in this league, the Championship, this season, next season or whenever). You are quite right, but we were talking about the last 5 games. Clark didn't lose 4 in 5 while at Town, and I don't believe he would have lost at Bournemouth or Preston. We lost at home to them under Clark |
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Post by 3 pipe problem on Apr 16, 2012 11:27:13 GMT 1
Teams that are top 4 USUALLY play with style and quality. You think we've done that this season? Flashes of it, all too rare granted. This season will not be remembered for it. Regarding that one man team argument we've been there before, there was always someone setting him up and there was usually someone keeping the ball out of our net. |
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Post by LordyOfTheManor on Apr 16, 2012 11:27:23 GMT 1
Simple question - who would have scored more points after the Sheffield United home defeat two months ago? It has to be Clark for me in the short term. However the long term aspect remains to be seen. Personally I don't believe we would have got automatic promotion with Clark anyway, but in hindsight, we stood a better chance with Clark than with Grayson.
Gambled and failed unfortunately.
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Post by 3 pipe problem on Apr 16, 2012 11:30:59 GMT 1
It's only failure if we don't go up and even then if we go up next season it will be just a short term failure/long term success.
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Post by henseventea on Apr 16, 2012 11:32:59 GMT 1
Interestingly (maybe)...in their first 13 games, Grayson and Clark both returned the exact same results...5 wins, 4 draws and 4 defeats.
After that, Clark then went 5 games without a victory (in a spell that actually stretched to 7 games without a win)...
I don't really remember much anti Lee Clark stuff at the time?
But we then won 5 of the next 6...and that set us up for an exciting 'next season'.
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Post by Berty of Cleck. on Apr 16, 2012 11:35:44 GMT 1
You are quite right, but we were talking about the last 5 games. Clark didn't lose 4 in 5 while at Town, and I don't believe he would have lost at Bournemouth or Preston. We lost at home to them under Clark And no team had doubled us this season, or last season. I didn't see a Lee Clark team  with a wimper like we did at Bournemouth. But at least we have stopped throwing away leads!! |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 16, 2012 11:37:41 GMT 1
Looking at the stats After we beat Leeds on Feb 14th 2009 it was seven games until we won again (lost 3, drew 4) btw that run was about three months into LC's tenure  We had a stinking run at the start of the 09/10 last season, going 6 games without a win (lost 3, draw 3). We also lost 3 on the spin later on during that season And last season we lost three on the spin in September to the mighty Swindon (who got relegated) Rochdale (three nil gubbing) and Bristol Rovers at the Galpharm (who also got relegated) www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=1309&comp_id=3&teamTabs=results |
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Apr 16, 2012 11:39:58 GMT 1
Interestingly (maybe)...in their first 13 games, Grayson and Clark both returned the exact same results...5 wins, 4 draws and 4 defeats. After that, Clark then went 5 games without a victory (in a spell that actually stretched to 7 games without a win)... I don't really remember much anti Lee Clark stuff at the time? But we then won 5 of the next 6...and that set us up for an exciting 'next season'. but LC wasnt ex l**ds or a l**ds fan. lets face it thats what driving most or a deluded sense that LC was actually a great manager! :rofl3: |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Apr 16, 2012 11:41:02 GMT 1
We lost at home to them under Clark And no team had doubled us this season, or last season. I didn't see a Lee Clark team with a wimper like we did at Bournemouth. But at least we have stopped throwing away leads!! Off the top of my head I can think of four straight away Millwall (A) Play off semi Southampton (A) League game Carlisle (A) - take your pick but will go with JPT 1st leg Posh - play off final |
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 16, 2012 11:43:16 GMT 1
Teams that are top 4 USUALLY play with style and quality. You think we've done that this season? Flashes of it, all too rare granted. This season will not be remembered for it. Regarding that one man team argument we've been there before, there was always someone setting him up and there was usually someone keeping the ball out of our net. Thats true. But mid-table teams have people setting up goals and making saves. What they don't have is a striker taking as many of those chances as Rhodes, which is why we're not in mid-table. |
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Post by tedchippington on Apr 16, 2012 11:45:59 GMT 1
My answer would be "not Clark"
Grayson hasnt over endeared himself to me so far but getting rid of Clark was absolutely the right thing to do , irrespective of whether we get promotion this year or not .. In my opinion of course, and its all about opinions
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