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Apr 21, 2012 18:51:41 GMT 1 @acetripper said:

Apr 21, 2012 12:50:19 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

yup- because it will be a culture and society that suits them, that they like and can integrate into easily. Exactly the point I was making.

An immigrant population that lands in a host nation that is completely polar opposite in its customs and attitudes, then grows at an ever increasing rate whilst all the time avoiding integrating with it's racism and religious barriers, and indeed often loathing the very host that supports it, is like a cancer, and one that will ultimately in time bring down the host's way of life.

Makes me laugh when people blame this on the host. We've had it on here before- its our colonial past's fault and we deserve it somehow, or the classic bit of 'positive' racism- white people are racist- but when black people are racist, its white people fault.
The standard left wing blinkered idiocy thats at the root of the race problems we have and will have in spades for generations to come.

The irony being, the people the left wing love to help and stick up for so much, are about as right wing as it's possible to be!!

Don't you just love arguing the same old outmoded stuff Captain?

Why not 'come out' and join a political party that truey represents your views? EDL sounds ideal in your case but there's plenty to chose from. That way the rest of use can get on with trying to build a more progress, tolerant world, without prejudice and hatred!

Your entitled your views of course my friend!

Perhaps he is like tens of thousands of others who are reticent to 'come out' due to the threats and violence of the far left, or idiots calling them racist because they dont toe the line of the lib/lab/con. I dont want radical, murderous Islamic zealots in my country....it just happens that the EDL dont either....dosnt mean I am a racist.
I am entitled to my view of course.:)

[Captainslapper]

Apr 21, 2012 18:51:41 GMT 1 @acetripper said:

Apr 21, 2012 12:50:19 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

yup- because it will be a culture and society that suits them, that they like and can integrate into easily. Exactly the point I was making.

An immigrant population that lands in a host nation that is completely polar opposite in its customs and attitudes, then grows at an ever increasing rate whilst all the time avoiding integrating with it's racism and religious barriers, and indeed often loathing the very host that supports it, is like a cancer, and one that will ultimately in time bring down the host's way of life.

Makes me laugh when people blame this on the host. We've had it on here before- its our colonial past's fault and we deserve it somehow, or the classic bit of 'positive' racism- white people are racist- but when black people are racist, its white people fault.
The standard left wing blinkered idiocy thats at the root of the race problems we have and will have in spades for generations to come.

The irony being, the people the left wing love to help and stick up for so much, are about as right wing as it's possible to be!!

Don't you just love arguing the same old outmoded stuff Captain?

Why not 'come out' and join a political party that truey represents your views? EDL sounds ideal in your case but there's plenty to chose from. That way the rest of use can get on with trying to build a more progress, tolerant world, without prejudice and hatred!

Your entitled your views of course my friend!

Is that the 'rest of us' that think white people are racist and if black people are racist it's because of white people??

Or the 'rest of us' like you lefties and muslims with both your progressive, tolerant attitudes without prejudice and hatred? :iconlol:

I knew id draw a typical far left loony response from you. Anyone who isn't with you is a racist and should join a racist party eh, acetripper?

I don't really want to get drawn into this again with you- I genuinely don't think you're all there.

[Dooky]

Apr 21, 2012 11:24:15 GMT 1 @acetripper said:

Apr 21, 2012 11:16:57 GMT 1 HILLY said:

I think and always have, each to their own. I don't discriminate and never would. However I've got somebody telling me that all British Asians want to do is integrate into society which I'm all for but then some people decide to be divisive by speaking a different language in public.

If someone is here on holiday and genuinely can't speak the lingo then fair enough but why if you know the language would you speak a different one in public?

I really am gobsmacked that in this day and age anyone could be offended by someone conversing in their first language, regardless of where they do so! WHY is it disrespectful to the country they've chosen to live in or to you personally? I just don't understand how that could be!

It's not offensive but it's bloody rude!

[arterrier]

Apr 21, 2012 20:49:10 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Apr 21, 2012 18:51:41 GMT 1 @acetripper said:

Don't you just love arguing the same old outmoded stuff Captain?

Why not 'come out' and join a political party that truey represents your views? EDL sounds ideal in your case but there's plenty to chose from. That way the rest of use can get on with trying to build a more progress, tolerant world, without prejudice and hatred!

Your entitled your views of course my friend!

Is that the 'rest of us' that think white people are racist and if black people are racist it's because of white people??

Or the 'rest of us' like you lefties and muslims with both your progressive, tolerant attitudes without prejudice and hatred?

I knew id draw a typical far left loony response from you. Anyone who isn't with you is a racist and should join a racist party eh, acetripper?

I don't really want to get drawn into this again with you- I genuinely don't think you're all there.

Yeah lets all go round putting our time and effort into prejudices and hatred. Fook me,is this a joke?

Prejudice and hatred is what has got us in this mess in the first place!!!

[Condescending Terrier]

Apr 21, 2012 21:21:23 GMT 1 Dooky said:

Apr 21, 2012 11:24:15 GMT 1 @acetripper said:

I really am gobsmacked that in this day and age anyone could be offended by someone conversing in their first language, regardless of where they do so! WHY is it disrespectful to the country they've chosen to live in or to you personally? I just don't understand how that could be!

It's not offensive but it's bloody rude!

Why on earth is it rude to speak in the language that comes most natural to you? I bet half of the Brits who move to Spain don't even attempt to learn Spanish, let alone regularly converse in it.

There's genuine grievances about the way chunks of the Asian community behave, but this just smacks of little Englander.

[Dooky]

Do you not find it rude to whisper? Or to talk in code that no one else understands?
If you are bi lingual and are having a conversation in the presence of English only speakers then why not speak English?

As for the immigrants who cant speak English - If I moved to another country, I would be keen to learn the language to aid my integration and quality of life!

[Captainslapper]

Apr 21, 2012 21:29:49 GMT 1 arterrier said:

Apr 21, 2012 20:49:10 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Is that the 'rest of us' that think white people are racist and if black people are racist it's because of white people??

Or the 'rest of us' like you lefties and muslims with both your progressive, tolerant attitudes without prejudice and hatred?

I knew id draw a typical far left loony response from you. Anyone who isn't with you is a racist and should join a racist party eh, acetripper?

I don't really want to get drawn into this again with you- I genuinely don't think you're all there.

Yeah lets all go round putting our time and effort into prejudices and hatred. Fook me,is this a joke?

Prejudice and hatred is what has got us in this mess in the first place!!!

It wasn't a joke. It was sarcasm.

[Condescending Terrier]

Apr 21, 2012 21:55:48 GMT 1 Dooky said:

Do you not find it rude to whisper? Or to talk in code that no one else understands?
If you are bi lingual and are having a conversation in the presence of English only speakers then why not speak English?

As for the immigrants who cant speak English - If I moved to another country, I would be keen to learn the language to aid my integration and quality of life!

It's not really the same as whispering, which is always done with the intention of not letting someone else hear. Agree it will sometimes be for this purpose, but generally it won't.

It sounds convenient, but I was at a party last night that was mainly South Americans and Europeans. For the vast majority of the time people spoke English, but every now and again when the conversation only included people from say Greece or Spanish speaking countries, they tended to go back to their native tongue.

I had no issue at all and if anything felt embarrassed that I was probably the only person in the room who couldn't hold a conversation in more than one language.

[Dooky]

I agree that 99 times out of 100 the use of a mother tongue language is not intended to be a method of discussing someone present without them understanding but I always try and be as inclusive as possible to those around me and my belief is that using a language that those in my company do not understand is far from inclusive.

I am happy to take the time to learn words and phrases from other languages and I am interested in general but I feel strongly about language being a barrier in communication.

[sapphireblue]

Its the bloody Welsh I object to when they start talking in their gibberish whenever an English person walks into one of their shops.
Bloody racist I call it.

[thewrongboy]

Apr 22, 2012 0:18:41 GMT 1 sapphireblue said:

Its the bloody Welsh I object to when they start talking in their gibberish whenever an English person walks into one of their shops.
Bloody racist I call it.

Indeed.

Kick 'em out.

Oh, they're the indigenous aren't they?

[q8terrier]

Apr 21, 2012 21:55:48 GMT 1 Dooky said:

Do you not find it rude to whisper? Or to talk in code that no one else understands?
If you are bi lingual and are having a conversation in the presence of English only speakers then why not speak English?

As for the immigrants who cant speak English - If I moved to another country, I would be keen to learn the language to aid my integration and quality of life!

i've lived in kuwait 21 years and my arabic is sh*t. i blame the fact that nearly everyone i worked with spoke english and my wife, as she'll translate for me if necessary, plus i'm a lazy git. i have multiple arabic language courses but jusy too lazy to learn, plus if i did learn my wife would assume i'd got a bird on the go somewhere. but buying the language courses wasn't a total loss as i managed to copy and sell a few copies to other expats (who also probably haven't bothered learning them).
i do like the fact i understand the odd word and when my wife is talking to her sister i can butt in and let her know what she's talking about , just to keep her on her toes.

one of the differences might be that kuwaitis/arabs here want to practice their english so use us to do that and they do not mind we speak english. Most roads/government buildings have signs in arabic and english, but they don't put signs in urdu, tagalog or hindi anywhere, even though there's probably only 15-20,000 brits and americans living here and around 300,000 indians, 200,000 filipinos and 100,000 from pakistan.

it's never really caused me a problem here, not speaking arabic, and i really should have learnt the lingo. I think Brits are genuinely not great with languages tho and for that i blame the school. We seemed to spend more time learning to write french than learning to speak french, which would have been far more useful to help us learn other languages.

It doesn't surprise me one bit that as usual these kinds of discussion threads descend in to silly insults and sarcastic comments.

The term 'White Racist' is a description of an individual who holds the views that Black, Asian or non-white people are inferior. This leads to discrimination and while some kinds of discrimination are unintentional, such as making assumptions about cultural traits, individual characteristics or racial stereotypes, others are more direct and apparent. Non-white racism towards White British is a entirely different, in that it is not based on the same set of assumptions. It's more a case of the oppressed fighting back the oppressor. Now that Captain is a concept! if you disagree, argue your case instead of playing silly beggars and insulting my intellect. :thumbup:

Apr 22, 2012 7:51:26 GMT 1 @acetripper said:

It doesn't surprise me one bit that as usual these kinds of discussion threads descend in to silly insults and sarcastic comments.

The term 'White Racist' is a description of an individual who holds the views that Black, Asian or non-white people are inferior. This leads to discrimination and while some kinds of discrimination are unintentional, such as making assumptions about cultural traits, individual characteristics or racial stereotypes, others are more direct and apparent. Non-white racism towards White British is a entirely different, in that it is not based on the same set of assumptions. It's more a case of the oppressed fighting back the oppressor. Now that Captain is a concept! if you disagree, argue your case instead of playing silly beggars and insulting my intellect.

Your downfall, IMO, is that you try to impose your 'concepts' onto others. I, for example, understand your leanings and am quite happy to tollerate them. You, on the other hand, are always trying to CHANGE other peoples way of thinking. Normal people base their beliefs and judgements on life experiences, which cannot be changed or erased, not from a little red book.

[q8terrier]

Apr 22, 2012 11:25:56 GMT 1 @malvernterrier said:

Apr 22, 2012 7:51:26 GMT 1 @acetripper said:

It doesn't surprise me one bit that as usual these kinds of discussion threads descend in to silly insults and sarcastic comments.

The term 'White Racist' is a description of an individual who holds the views that Black, Asian or non-white people are inferior. This leads to discrimination and while some kinds of discrimination are unintentional, such as making assumptions about cultural traits, individual characteristics or racial stereotypes, others are more direct and apparent. Non-white racism towards White British is a entirely different, in that it is not based on the same set of assumptions. It's more a case of the oppressed fighting back the oppressor. Now that Captain is a concept! if you disagree, argue your case instead of playing silly beggars and insulting my intellect.

Your downfall, IMO, is that you try to impose your 'concepts' onto others. I, for example, understand your leanings and am quite happy to tollerate them. You, on the other hand, are always trying to CHANGE other peoples way of thinking. Normal people base their beliefs and judgements on life experiences, which cannot be changed or erased, not from a little red book.

tom you've just summed up a muslim. they spend their time trying to convince others that your way is wrong and you should submit to the will of god and do as they do.
i always said i could be a good muslim if i could do what others do here (ie. down a bottle of whiskey, but can't afford at 100 pounds a bottle, and harass women all day).

[garyroberts'leftfoot]

Apr 22, 2012 12:04:20 GMT 1 q8terrier said:

Apr 22, 2012 11:25:56 GMT 1 @malvernterrier said:

Your downfall, IMO, is that you try to impose your 'concepts' onto others. I, for example, understand your leanings and am quite happy to tollerate them. You, on the other hand, are always trying to CHANGE other peoples way of thinking. Normal people base their beliefs and judgements on life experiences, which cannot be changed or erased, not from a little red book.

tom you've just summed up a muslim. they spend their time trying to convince others that your way is wrong and you should submit to the will of god and do as they do.
i always said i could be a good muslim if i could do what others do here (ie. down a bottle of whiskey, but can't afford at 100 pounds a bottle, and harass women all day).

That can be said about some christians too

[OldRastrickian]

Apr 22, 2012 7:51:26 GMT 1 @acetripper said:

It doesn't surprise me one bit that as usual these kinds of discussion threads descend in to silly insults and sarcastic comments.

The term 'White Racist' is a description of an individual who holds the views that Black, Asian or non-white people are inferior. This leads to discrimination and while some kinds of discrimination are unintentional, such as making assumptions about cultural traits, individual characteristics or racial stereotypes, others are more direct and apparent. Non-white racism towards White British is a entirely different, in that it is not based on the same set of assumptions. It's more a case of the oppressed fighting back the oppressor. Now that Captain is a concept! if you disagree, argue your case instead of playing silly beggars and insulting my intellect.

I'm afraid politically-correct Britain has rendered your definition of "White Racist" obsolete. The last government made it clear that any Brit who objected to mass, third-world immigration into this country was a "racist".

The loony-liberal-left has its wish list of "discriminations" it wanted/wants to outlaw. So you can't discriminate on grounds of race, gender, etc in employing someone. But you can discriminate on their physical appearance (ugly and/or short people are typically passed over in favour of tall and/or better looking people)......for now, at least.

In the country where much of the liberal lunacy comes into being....the USA....there is already a movement gathering pace to criminalise discrimination against "gingers". Once these discrimination idiocies take root, there is no limit as to how far they can proceed.

[q8terrier]

Apr 22, 2012 12:07:34 GMT 1 garyroberts'leftfoot said:

Apr 22, 2012 12:04:20 GMT 1 q8terrier said:

tom you've just summed up a muslim. they spend their time trying to convince others that your way is wrong and you should submit to the will of god and do as they do.
i always said i could be a good muslim if i could do what others do here (ie. down a bottle of whiskey, but can't afford at 100 pounds a bottle, and harass women all day).

That can be said about some christians too

true.

[thewrongboy]

Apr 22, 2012 6:19:41 GMT 1 q8terrier said:

i've lived in kuwait 21 years

On another note, I bet it's fascinating out there.

[bickmuxton]

A question for you AceTripper
What would you say is the maximum population that England could accomodate , given that we are a relatively small country ?

[Condescending Terrier]

Apr 22, 2012 12:47:44 GMT 1 bickmuxton said:

A question for you AceTripper
What would you say is the maximum population that England could accomodate , given that we are a relatively small country ?

A very dangerous question when you consider the rate the "non-working indigenous underclass" breed, generation after generation.

Apr 22, 2012 12:47:44 GMT 1 bickmuxton said:

A question for you AceTripper
What would you say is the maximum population that England could accomodate , given that we are a relatively small country ?

Hey fellow Town fan I'm a little confused!

Are we talking about the maximum population of white racists here? OR how many people who have a balanced objective view of life could populate England?

[thewrongboy]

Acetripper, why choose "white racists" - there are racists on both sides.

Apr 22, 2012 16:05:13 GMT 1 thewrongboy said:

Acetripper, why choose "white racists" - there are racists on both sides.

If you can be arsed, go back and read the evolving dialogue/diatribe in various threads between myself and and Captainslapper over the last year or two!. They're boring as fook but you might just gain an insight into the discourse the exists in this country! The Right v Left debate! etc.

I try to explain one thing, he usually takes another stance, it's called 'discourse! I only get truly upset/pissed off when HE gets personal! Which I think is silly! He's an "idealist' basing his thinking on 'ideology', where as I base mine on dialectical materialist philosophy.

He thinks I'm nuts, I believe he suffers from 'Bourgeoisie Despair!' ;D But, I'm cool with that1

[Captainslapper]

Apr 22, 2012 7:51:26 GMT 1 @acetripper said:

It doesn't surprise me one bit that as usual these kinds of discussion threads descend in to silly insults and sarcastic comments.

The term 'White Racist' is a description of an individual who holds the views that Black, Asian or non-white people are inferior. This leads to discrimination and while some kinds of discrimination are unintentional, such as making assumptions about cultural traits, individual characteristics or racial stereotypes, others are more direct and apparent. Non-white racism towards White British is a entirely different, in that it is not based on the same set of assumptions. It's more a case of the oppressed fighting back the oppressor. Now that Captain is a concept! if you disagree, argue your case instead of playing silly beggars and insulting my intellect.

The only thing worse than a hypocrite, is someone so twisted they don't even know they're a hypocrite.

You talk about these discussions descending into insults etc- well look back because I could have sworn you were suggesting I join some sort of extreme right wing racist party a few posts ago. :wave:

As for your concept that white people can be racist, but black or asian people being racist are just the oppressed fighting back, frankly it's so laughable Im not sure what to say!! :iconlol: :iconlol: :iconlol:

:spaz:

Hey! Put some serious 'ontological evidence' on here thats supports your right-wing stance on all these matters then I'll listen and will take what you say seriously. Until you do that I will continue to challenge your assumptions,

Apr 22, 2012 16:05:13 GMT 1 thewrongboy said:

Acetripper, why choose "white racists" - there are racists on both sides.

'Cos, to his mind, only white people can be racist. He is typical of the liberal elite who blame the working white man for everything that is bad in the world. He loaths our country and all its ways. They oppose Nationalism, unless its in a foreign nation. You can have the Welsh nationalists, you can have the Scottish nationalists, you can have the Irish nationalists....but ENGLISH nationalists!!!!!! NO WAY!!!!! They are RACISTS!!!!!!

[moaner30]

Apr 20, 2012 17:13:21 GMT 1 @malvernterrier said:

They're not happy in Gaza .
They're not happy in Egypt .
They're not happy in Libya .
They're not happy in Morocco .
They're not happy in Iran .
They're not happy in Iraq .
They're not happy in Yemen .
They're not happy in Afghanistan .
They're not happy in Pakistan .
They're not happy in Syria .
They're not happy in Lebanon .

So, where are they happy?

They're happy in Australia .
They're happy in England .
They're happy in France .
They're happy in Italy .
They're happy in Germany .
They're happy in Sweden .
They're happy in the USA .
They're happy in Canada .
They're happy in Norway .
They're happy in every country that is not Muslim.

And who do they blame?

Not Islam.
Not their leadership.
Not themselves.
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!
AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THEM TO BE LIKE THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY.

That's probably the only thing you've ever posted that I've agreed with.

[Captainslapper]

Can you provide any evidence of this 'oppression' these poor souls have in this country? That stuff that allows them to be racist because it's 'white people's fault' if they are?
Is it the free to all education or health care they came to this country for? What about the democracy or justice system? Or is it the welfare system? maybe some of the COUNTLESS government funded schemes aimed specifically at them to improve their quality of life?

Poor oppressed souls.

Oppressed people all over the world must feel so sorry for them having to put up with it, they really must.

Is it because you're white, english, middle class, that you have these self-loathing prejudices? The constant hypocracy i can understand- its a trait of the left wing mind, but the prejudices you have are no better than the extreme right wingers you hate so much ( muslims excepted of course), but its a shame you can't see you have them, or you may be able to fashion a more accurate view of the world.

I'll bale out here cos its pointless and pretty dull and I used up all my dullness tolerance at yesterdays game, so feel free to have the last word.

ps- the self-loathing i can understand in your case! :iconlol:

Hey Captainslapper!

I wouldn't want to interrupt your pre-match routine but why don't we meet up and have a drink before the Yeovil match? Cos...do you now what?...Life's too short for genuine Town fans to fall out! Okay? What about it? Name the place. time etc and I'll be there! :thumbup: