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Post by fitzyblue on Jun 15, 2012 18:00:18 GMT 1
Make it up ? so Keane didn`t go to war with Mcarthy cos he`s "not even Irish" then ? But you miss the point anyway, I`m not happy with.... so I`m going home, which helped the Irish how ? Dick. Keane was captain of the Irish national team. Since his senior debut under Jack Charlton and then-captain McCarthy, Keane had perceived problems with the preparations of the Irish side. He regarded the Football Association of Ireland (FAI)'s preparations as unprofessional and challenged both Charlton and McCarthy in a number of notable incidents. Among Keane's issues with Irish management were the conditions of the training field, travel arrangements (which made the players sit in second class seats on flights, while FAI officials sat in first class), strategy, expectations, diet and McCarthy's competence. and what gave him the right to challenge those conditions? he s a dick.same as when terry tried to overhaul a national manager.another dick.totally out of order.if i had the priveledge of representing my country i d have walked there. |
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Post by Coddingtontripper on Jun 15, 2012 18:15:26 GMT 1
Keane was captain of the Irish national team. Since his senior debut under Jack Charlton and then-captain McCarthy, Keane had perceived problems with the preparations of the Irish side. He regarded the Football Association of Ireland (FAI)'s preparations as unprofessional and challenged both Charlton and McCarthy in a number of notable incidents. Among Keane's issues with Irish management were the conditions of the training field, travel arrangements (which made the players sit in second class seats on flights, while FAI officials sat in first class), strategy, expectations, diet and McCarthy's competence. and what gave him the right to challenge those conditions? he s a dick.same as when terry tried to overhaul a national manager.another dick.totally out of order.if i had the priveledge of representing my country i d have walked there. I agree totally, just pointing out it wasn't just a case of "didn't like the manager" |
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Post by fitzyblue on Jun 15, 2012 18:26:43 GMT 1
and what gave him the right to challenge those conditions? he s a dick.same as when terry tried to overhaul a national manager.another dick.totally out of order.if i had the priveledge of representing my country i d have walked there. I agree totally, just pointing out it wasn't just a case of "didn't like the manager" sorry codders, :surrender: was a case of he thought he was the manager.(think i highlighted the wrong post) |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 15, 2012 18:26:46 GMT 1
The man doesn't accept second best and is a born winner. As he said last night, just because Ireland is a small country doesn't mean to say that shouldn't strive for the best in everything. It might come across as being petulant, arrogant and self absorbed, but he's right. FA bureaucrats in first class while the players are in second class (not just flights but accommodation and facilities) is disgusting. Walking out on them just before the World Cup isn't going to help, but he's making a stand, whether you agree with it or not.
Some of Ireland's defending has been amateurish, and that is meant to be one of their strengths, so should they just shrug it off and say 'at least the fans had a good time'? If i was Irish I'd be furious at that performance, and Keane is right to call them out for it.
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Post by fitzyblue on Jun 15, 2012 18:29:24 GMT 1
fair comment phants.i like my winners with a degree of class and manners though.he s taken it to new realms of arrogance.does nt sit right with me that its him chastising them after he walked out on them.its not whats been said for me but how and by whom :wave:
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Post by Coddingtontripper on Jun 15, 2012 18:34:01 GMT 1
I agree totally, just pointing out it wasn't just a case of "didn't like the manager" sorry codders,  was a case of he thought he was the manager.(think i highlighted the wrong post) No problem, can't do with him myself. Total lack of respect for his betters. |
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Post by yorkterrier3 on Jun 16, 2012 10:52:18 GMT 1
why would anyone hate the irish fans  and best partridge quote was the horses in council estates and people with eyebrows on their cheeks  because they hate us. |
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Post by fitzyblue on Jun 16, 2012 14:25:37 GMT 1
why would anyone hate the irish fans and best partridge quote was the horses in council estates and people with eyebrows on their cheeks because they hate us. so ner ner ne ner ner.come on mate thats a bit weak.the fact that we ve persecuted them for centuries,took their land,starved them etc might give them a little liscence to feel aggreaved.personally i like to rise above such things.in fact i quite like it when were disliked,must mean were doing something right. |
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Post by bugliner on Jun 16, 2012 14:56:36 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure that if they had committed genocide on us like we proud English did on them a few hundred years ago then we would dislike them as much as they dislike us now. Let's all laugh at the potato famine and while we're at it we should laugh at our children being killed for going to school or locals being shot for daring to speak there own language. I just thought that one little phrase needed highlighting. TBH, most Irish people that I've met wanted England to lose, but didn't actively "hate" us. Sure, some of them will take things too far, but then you could say the same about English people. I remember one holiday in Spain, a few English lads bragging that they had just kicked the crap out of some Germans. I felt sick when I heard them say that but I still feel a bit more riding on an England game with Germany, just because it's Germany. |
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Post by bugliner on Jun 16, 2012 14:59:06 GMT 1
FWIW - I thought they sounded awesome.
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Post by yorkterrier3 on Jun 17, 2012 19:13:01 GMT 1
so ner ner ne ner ner.come on mate thats a bit weak.the fact that we ve persecuted them for centuries,took their land,starved them etc might give them a little liscence to feel aggreaved.personally i like to rise above such things.in fact i quite like it when were disliked,must mean were doing something right. yep, but talk about living in the past, we were persecuted by the normans but it doesnt mean i hate the french,........actually wait a minute? fucking norman bastards |
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Post by fitzyblue on Jun 17, 2012 19:36:06 GMT 1
were a right mixed bag :nodding: roman,celt,norman,anglosaxon,viking.they ve all had a pop at our bloodline.our royals have a bit of all sorts thrown in too :nodding:
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Post by dublinterrier on Jun 18, 2012 2:21:11 GMT 1
Some comments: Keano made some good points but they were reported kinda badly. He liked the fans getting behind the team but reckons we should be aiming higher and playing better football. That's fair enough. Every Irish person is embarrassed by the performances, believe me. The most of them looked like they'd never seen a football before. Awful stuff. But the fans have to go and have a good time, they've all spent a fortune getting out there. What are they going to do? Boo and go back to the hotel for a cup of tea and an early night?
We love to see England lose but only for the laugh and the horribleness of the likes of John Terry and Ashley Cole. If you weren't of the same nationality as them you'd want them to fail miserably too!
None of us hate the English, except for the loyalist folk in the north. They're not very likable in fairness. Nearly every Irish person has family in England. Mine are near Manchester and they're dear friends of mine. Some of the best football conversations I've ever had have been with English folk in pubs who were on holiday here.
I'm drinking a can of London Pride and I've work in 6 hours.
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Post by seang on Jun 18, 2012 3:29:59 GMT 1
The song is "The Fields of Athenry." We could learn a lot from the Irish, they're happy to see their team, and are proud at the same time. The English are proud as well, I don't doubt that but we are certainly not the same as the Irish. We should be happy to be in the competition, and cheer England on as far as they can, most likely the quarter finals, but who cares, lets just enjoy it!
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Post by yorkterrier3 on Jun 18, 2012 18:19:09 GMT 1
Some comments: Keano made some good points but they were reported kinda badly. He liked the fans getting behind the team but reckons we should be aiming higher and playing better football. That's fair enough. Every Irish person is embarrassed by the performances, believe me. The most of them looked like they'd never seen a football before. Awful stuff. But the fans have to go and have a good time, they've all spent a fortune getting out there. What are they going to do? Boo and go back to the hotel for a cup of tea and an early night? We love to see England lose but only for the laugh and the horribleness of the likes of John Terry and Ashley Cole. If you weren't of the same nationality as them you'd want them to fail miserably too! None of us hate the English, except for the loyalist folk in the north. They're not very likable in fairness. Nearly every Irish person has family in England. Mine are near Manchester and they're dear friends of mine. Some of the best football conversations I've ever had have been with English folk in pubs who were on holiday here. I'm drinking a can of London Pride and I've work in 6 hours. you hate loyalist people in the north????? Yorkshire ( gods county ) is in the north? and most of us are loyal to the crown....... |
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Post by TerrierArmy on Jun 18, 2012 18:20:50 GMT 1
Yorkterrier - if you really knew your histroy of the north you'd realise that the oop north people were always the most rebellious..and I hope they still are with the imposters on our current throne.
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Post by yorkterrier3 on Jun 18, 2012 18:29:17 GMT 1
Yorkterrier - if you really knew your histroy of the north you'd realise that the oop north people were always the most rebellious..and I hope they still are with the imposters on our current throne. so why you having a go at me, we basically agreed with each other didnt we? yes home rule for Yorkshire thats wot i say |
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Post by 3 pipe problem on Jun 18, 2012 18:41:26 GMT 1
Some comments: Keano made some good points but they were reported kinda badly. He liked the fans getting behind the team but reckons we should be aiming higher and playing better football. That's fair enough. Every Irish person is embarrassed by the performances, believe me. The most of them looked like they'd never seen a football before. Awful stuff. But the fans have to go and have a good time, they've all spent a fortune getting out there. What are they going to do? Boo and go back to the hotel for a cup of tea and an early night? We love to see England lose but only for the laugh and the horribleness of the likes of John Terry and Ashley Cole. If you weren't of the same nationality as them you'd want them to fail miserably too! None of us hate the English, except for the loyalist folk in the north. They're not very likable in fairness. Nearly every Irish person has family in England. Mine are near Manchester and they're dear friends of mine. Some of the best football conversations I've ever had have been with English folk in pubs who were on holiday here. I'm drinking a can of London Pride and I've work in 6 hours. Wrong way round ... you mean the Provos. |
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Post by georgeposh on Jun 19, 2012 13:42:19 GMT 1
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Post by Coddingtontripper on Jun 19, 2012 14:01:42 GMT 1
Typical posh birds eh George? |
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Post by sapphireblue on Jun 19, 2012 14:01:45 GMT 1
Is that Sean Jarvis in the queue? |
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Post by yorkterrier3 on Jun 19, 2012 14:03:58 GMT 1
the one in red is georgeposh i presume? after all he is a TIT
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Post by bubbles on Jun 19, 2012 14:20:34 GMT 1
And what is that weary song they sing interminably? Don't Irish Liverpool sing it too? It's an Irish folk tune called "Fields of Athenry." Liverpool adopted it and call it "Fields of Anfield Road." Which some Protestant Liverpool fans won't sing 'cos it's a Catholic tune...yawn. Don't mind the Irish meself,was at Italia '90 and had a good laugh with 'em...just the ones who sing IRA songs I can't abide. |
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Post by Guest on Jun 19, 2012 14:34:56 GMT 1
And what is that weary song they sing interminably? Don't Irish Liverpool sing it too? It's an Irish folk tune called "Fields of Athenry." Liverpool adopted it and call it "Fields of Anfield Road." Which some Protestant Liverpool fans won't sing 'cos it's a Catholic tune...yawn. Don't mind the Irish meself,was at Italia '90 and had a good laugh with 'em...just the ones who sing IRA songs I can't abide. It may well be 'yawnsome' to you , but it means the world to some people. I was always under the impression the song was about the famine anyway and wasnt too sectarian. In fact Ive got a cd with a Loyalist lyric to it. Good tune, but the Irish should perhaps learn a second song before Brazil. |
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Post by stonedlove on Jun 19, 2012 15:01:49 GMT 1
As opposed to the great repertoire of English football songs sang by the masses??
En-ger-land En-ger-land En-ger-land repeat x 1000
Humming various war related themes
In fact is there any English based folk songs sung by the marjority of English Fans?? Jerusalem is about the best I've heard but there is no doubt that it belongs to the egg chasers.
Everybody recognises the melody of 'Fields of Anthenry' although less could recite all the words and I think it is a great song recalling hard times for the Irish during the famine. Furthermore many a poster on this board probably have links to the event through family ties (even if they don't realise it)
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Post by yorkterrier3 on Jun 20, 2012 2:53:35 GMT 1
As opposed to the great repertoire of English football songs sang by the masses?? En-ger-land En-ger-land En-ger-land repeat x 1000 Humming various war related themes In fact is there any English based folk songs sung by the marjority of English Fans?? Jerusalem is about the best I've heard but there is no doubt that it belongs to the egg chasers. Everybody recognises the melody of 'Fields of Anthenry' although less could recite all the words and I think it is a great song recalling hard times for the Irish during the famine. Furthermore many a poster on this board probably have links to the event through family ties (even if they don't realise it) nah my family were welsh, we had plenty of spuds ta... |
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Post by yorkterrier3 on Jun 20, 2012 2:56:05 GMT 1
IMO the irish need to grow up, bangin on about no spuds, and the english did that and the english did this, fucks sake its history its gone, you dont find folk walking round york moaning about the fucking danish.....viking bastards
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