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Post by jqhtfc on Jul 6, 2012 19:05:00 GMT 1
Heard we are close to signing a player. Also heard we have signed four players. Discuss. Norwood, Scanell, Clayton and Dixon so yes you are right ;D |
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Post by townfan on Jul 6, 2012 19:30:21 GMT 1
Are we 100% sure that it's not Danny Devito that we are signing  :scarf: :scarf: |
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Post by NookTerrier on Jul 7, 2012 8:37:10 GMT 1
I've got a feeling that if we do indeed sign Dervitte that he could possibly be a stroke of genius by Grayson. Had glowing reports from Southend and to end up at Villarreal albeit the reserves shows he has something about him.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 7, 2012 9:42:06 GMT 1
Villarreal reserves is a lower standard than the Championship by miles.
Got to say, having read about Dervite on here, Id be doing everything I could to sign Morrison.
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Post by Offtopic on Jul 7, 2012 9:45:21 GMT 1
Villarreal reserves is a lower standard than the Championship by miles. Got to say, having read about Dervite on here, Id be doing everything I could to sign Morrison. What have you read? That he was the best defender Southend have ever had? |
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Post by catterickterrier on Jul 7, 2012 9:55:49 GMT 1
No ones had a bad word to say about Dervite have they? Either they have heard good things mostly from Southend supporters or forums or they don't know anything about him? Not heard anyone slate him, yet
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Post by fastink on Jul 7, 2012 10:14:45 GMT 1
Villarreal reserves is a lower standard than the Championship by miles. Got to say, having read about Dervite on here, Id be doing everything I could to sign Morrison. Villareal B finished mid table in the Spanish second division. Similar standard to the championship. |
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Post by OOW2BA on Jul 7, 2012 10:18:18 GMT 1
Villarreal reserves is a lower standard than the Championship by miles. Got to say, having read about Dervite on here, Id be doing everything I could to sign Morrison. Villareal B finished mid table in the Spanish second division. Similar standard to the championship. Isn't "Reserves" the key word here...?? |
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Post by brockholesterrier on Jul 7, 2012 10:23:18 GMT 1
Thing is Villareal 'A' team are now also in that division and they have some quality players- an average league doesnt neccessarily mean average players.
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Post by thrice on Jul 7, 2012 10:29:38 GMT 1
Thing is Villareal 'A' team are now also in that division and they have some quality players- an average league doesnt neccessarily mean average players. Villareal B will be relegated then. The lower tiers of Spanish football are in no way comparable to our own. The championship will be one of the better levels of football in the whole of europe. |
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Post by fastink on Jul 7, 2012 10:33:40 GMT 1
Villareal B finished mid table in the Spanish second division. Similar standard to the championship. Isn't "Reserves" the key word here...??[/quote Why should reserves be the key word? At the end of the day he's been playing in the Spanish second division with villareal B |
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Post by terrier94 on Jul 7, 2012 10:38:28 GMT 1
He has played for France from u16 level to u21 he can't be that bad
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 7, 2012 10:40:20 GMT 1
Remember when we were linked to him before and heard all about how brilliant hed been for Southend. That may be true but were talking 'southend' here, and didn't they get relegated that season? If hed been as good as people make out why hasn't he gone on to something better in the 3 or 4 years since?
The spanish 2nd tier is nothing like the championship. The quality and style of football is way different and the stadia and gates are more like L1 ( a third of the clubs have a ground capacity of less then 10,000).
Im not saying he wouldn't be a good signing, just that I don't get all this excitement about him when there isn't much to back it up and I bet most haven't seen him play more than once, if at all. All blind faith.
On the other hand, we KNOW Morrison is good enough for the championship, and at such a young age, will only improve further still.
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Post by Condescending Terrier on Jul 7, 2012 10:43:18 GMT 1
Villarreal reserves is a lower standard than the Championship by miles. Got to say, having read about Dervite on here, Id be doing everything I could to sign Morrison. You don't half come across as a know it all at times, as much as I often agree with you. We are taking the word of the Southend fans and making some assumptions from his statistics, but that's not as naive as going for Morrison just because the fountain of knowledge CaptainSlapper hasn't seen him. Oow2ba, it's a different set-up in Spain where most top teams have a reserve side in the league. I wouldn't want it here in a million years, but it's a system that is clearly producing better players than us. Edit- wish I'd read your second post, but don't think anyone is getting over excited at the same time! |
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Post by OOW2BA on Jul 7, 2012 10:47:21 GMT 1
apologies, i didn't realise.
Seams a bit strange to me.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 7, 2012 10:47:50 GMT 1
Im a know it all because Id rather have a player Ive seen a couple of dozen times and who I rate a lot, than a player Ive never seen and who doesn't seem to have been playing at that great a level ever but apparently did play well for Southend 4 years ago when they got relegated??
And that makes me a know it all? LOL
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Post by dugnet on Jul 7, 2012 10:50:09 GMT 1
I can't comment on Dervite but do we think if Morrison was never coming to Town? He said immediately after the play-off win he was heading back to Reading for pre-season, which suggests the chance of him joining Town was probably slim?
I think we probably could do with 2 centre halves given I expect McCombe to leave on loan and Kay to go (or not play).
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Post by Floyds on Jul 7, 2012 10:53:28 GMT 1
It's the same situation as most of our other signings, for me.
Never heard of or seen him.
Difficult to get too excited about - he may be decent, he may not.
What I don't get is why signing this lad would mean we don't sign Morisson?
If Grayson knows he is off loading McCombe and Kay (and potentially Wallace on loan) then we'll need 3 centre backs alongside PC (eg Morisson, Dervite and the Forest lad).
That's what I'm hoping for, anyway.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 7, 2012 10:53:29 GMT 1
On the other hand, we KNOW Morrison is good enough for the championship, and at such a young age, will only improve further still. No we don't, we assume he is. |
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Post by thrice on Jul 7, 2012 10:54:37 GMT 1
I am hoping that we can get Morrison back on a permanent basis, but if we cannot surely he would be a loan possibility again anyway.
Reading might want to have a good look at him over the summer & not sell, but they will want his development to continue and that will not happen sat in their stands.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jul 7, 2012 10:54:40 GMT 1
Im a know it all because Id rather have a player Ive seen a couple of dozen times and who I rate a lot, than a player Ive never seen and who doesn't seem to have been playing at that great a level ever but apparently did play well for Southend 4 years ago when they got relegated?? And that makes me a know it all? LOL They didn't get relegated. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 7, 2012 10:56:00 GMT 1
On the other hand, we KNOW Morrison is good enough for the championship, and at such a young age, will only improve further still. No we don't, we assume he is. well ok, its not a proven fact yet. But you only had to see how he played last season, particularly in the play-offs to 'know' he is. Hes the best centre back we've had play for us since Monkou IMO. |
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Post by Offtopic on Jul 7, 2012 10:58:33 GMT 1
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 7, 2012 11:02:03 GMT 1
They didn't get relegated.[/quote] No they didn't, you're right. getting my dates mixed up- theyd already come down by then. Schoolboy error for a know it all like me! :iconlol: |
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Post by PaulDaltonFanClub on Jul 7, 2012 11:03:43 GMT 1
Hardly tightened our defence up? You must only be talking about stats as that is completely wrong mate! We looked the most assured at the back we have for a good old while due to SM, his pace for recovery, heading ability and poise on the ball were things we have lacked in a partner for PC! |
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Post by Guest on Jul 7, 2012 11:20:31 GMT 1
maybe Morrison and Dervite if rumours of LC being after peter clarke are true ??
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Post by 52bob on Jul 7, 2012 11:49:11 GMT 1
Interested in some ideas here about the level of Spanish 2nd tier. Not a clue myself, so checked it out and came across comments made by Chris Coleman who was at Sociedad in 2007:
He likens the standard of football in the Spanish second division to that of the English Championship and is quick to point out further similarities between football in Spain and England.
"You tend to think of Spanish football as being very technical," he stated.
"But outside of the top half-a-dozen teams in the top flight - and especially in the division we are in - there is a lot of hustle and bustle, a lot of long ball.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jul 7, 2012 11:59:39 GMT 1
Dervite, as far as I can remember from seeing him and hearing about him, is a very similar player to Morrison. Both are tall and good in the air, both are dominant but if anything, I think Dervite may have a little bit more pace about him.
If we can get him here and if he can find some form then I think he can be as good as, if not better than Morrison. Bit of a gamble though especially compared to morrison.
The guy from the mirror said that we may take him on trial. We haven't started training yet though so it may be a while until we hear anything if he does come on trial.
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Post by Condescending Terrier on Jul 7, 2012 12:19:16 GMT 1
Im a know it all because Id rather have a player Ive seen a couple of dozen times and who I rate a lot, than a player Ive never seen and who doesn't seem to have been playing at that great a level ever but apparently did play well for Southend 4 years ago when they got relegated?? And that makes me a know it all? LOL I fully acknowledge we don't know much about Dervite and from what we have seen of Morrison think he is likely to be good enough for the Championship, rather referring to the persistent condescending and/or patronising tone of your posts...... even the ones I bloody agree with, which more times than not I do! In this case I have no strong opinion of Morrison and/or Dervite, because both are unknown to the Championship, but both are decent signings on face value. Anyway, sure Grayson is doing the necessary research, rather than all this theorising we're doing. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 7, 2012 12:24:31 GMT 1
A trial would make sense to me.
After his 'worldy' 18 games in L1 for Southend over 3 years ago, hes somehow only managed about 25 games since.
Begs the question of why, and how much Grayson can have seen of him recently.
Now we have a couple of central midfielders signed ,who sound like they should be good ( still think we need another one aswell though) , the area of the team that is most worrying to me now is centre back.
As it stands, Im not sure we have 1 CB who is going to be good enough.
P Clarke- immense leadership, but not sure is championship quality myself.
McCombe- released by Bristol C 2 years ago because presumably they didn't think he was championship standard any more.
Kay- decent alongside McCombe but again, a bit L1 quality at best.
T Clarke- never liked him at centre back.
Wallace- no idea.
Theres players there who 'might' be ok to a point in this division, but also might find it beyond them a bit.
Id like to see us sign 2 1st choice centre backs, then try and offload McCombe and Kay. When you think of the money we've coughed up on other areas of the team, centre back is just as crucial yet hasn't had anything like the investment. Maybe its time to put that right?
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