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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 19, 2013 22:54:57 GMT 1
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Post by Syran on Sept 19, 2013 22:55:04 GMT 1
Rhodes in a heartbeat.
Excellent striker who will play at the very top.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Sept 19, 2013 22:55:41 GMT 1
And how many would Jv score in league one ? Doubtful it would be 40 for all his awesomeness Probably not. Vaughan better with his head, stronger, more of an athlete and Rhodes better with his feet, natural finisher. Would this be the same Rhodes that holds the record for the Fastest headed hatrick?? Rhodes is equally as good in the air as Vaughan and that is FACT. |
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Post by terrierng on Sept 19, 2013 22:55:46 GMT 1
What does that matter though. .. he scored twenty odd last season in team that struggled. ..baring injury he will do again. ..like the other posts this ia no slight on jv as he isca better all round player but he wont score as many as rhodes over a season. ..and thats what win ganes. How many of em were penalties? Not knocking Rhodes either. Lies, damn lies and statistics and all that. Not sure but not that many...maybe six or seven....he missed a few pens early on...Vaughan is, so far more consistent as a lot of rhodes goals came in a few games...few hatricks , six in one, four in a couple. ..whereas vaughan scores most games...so far....but...at the end of the season I think Rhodes will score more...though value for money its vaughan all day long. |
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Post by Colt Seavers on Sept 19, 2013 22:56:49 GMT 1
But one swallow never made a summer. No need to bring your rent boy days into this Colt. Well you had to earn money some how. But you have to alter your technique a little. |
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Post by thrice on Sept 19, 2013 22:58:05 GMT 1
He would on current form! If he stays fit I see no reason for him not to out-score Rhodes this season too. I hope you are right, as my interest lies only in the performance of Vaughan. But one swallow never made a summer. Fair comment but this run of fine form has gone on for quite some time now. The next test will be to see how he comes back from an inevitable layoff (a short one all being well) at some point. |
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Post by impact on Sept 19, 2013 22:59:06 GMT 1
Rhodes by a country mile. If the question was Vaughan and £7.5m or Rhodes then it might be different, but choosing one or the other then there is only one winner. He might not be as quick or as physical but his movement is 2nd to none and he sticks it in the back of the net.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 23:00:19 GMT 1
Probably not. Vaughan better with his head, stronger, more of an athlete and Rhodes better with his feet, natural finisher. Would this be the same Rhodes that holds the record for the Fastest headed hatrick?? Rhodes is equally as good in the air as Vaughan and that is FACT. Talking of records, who's the youngest player to score at the highest level in the modern English League |
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Sept 19, 2013 23:02:09 GMT 1
Absolutely no question. James Vaughan. Keep him fit and I truly believe he will score more goals this season, certainly cover more grass, wears the badge with more pride, connects with the fans better. Just read this back and apologies could read as a james vaughan jizz fest.... Never seen as much bollox in one post for a while. You obviously never read your own posts back big balls... |
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 19, 2013 23:05:12 GMT 1
Would this be the same Rhodes that holds the record for the Fastest headed hatrick?? Rhodes is equally as good in the air as Vaughan and that is FACT. Listen, it's only a couple of weeks since you were spouting Ronaldo was signing for ManUtd FACT so wind your neck in pal. It's a debate, folk sharing opinion. A pub with no beer. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 19, 2013 23:06:17 GMT 1
Rhodes by a country mile. If the question was Vaughan and £7.5m or Rhodes then it might be different, but choosing one or the other then there is only one winner. He might not be as quick or as physical but his movement is 2nd to none and he sticks it in the back of the net. so does JV and his overall teamwork is much better.... UTT |
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Post by Colt Seavers on Sept 19, 2013 23:15:03 GMT 1
Would this be the same Rhodes that holds the record for the Fastest headed hatrick?? Rhodes is equally as good in the air as Vaughan and that is FACT. Listen, it's only a couple of weeks since you were spouting Ronaldo was signing for ManUtd FACT so wind your neck in pal. It's a debate, folk sharing opinion. A pub with no beer.  , that was purely put on to wind Malv up. Wouldn't expect you to see through that though. Count the headers. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 19, 2013 23:33:05 GMT 1
Looking at them just as players and ignoring the money side of things, injury records etc, then Rhodes all day long. End of the day the games about scoring goals and Rhodes is a goal machine.
They're very different players in many way and vaughan is a great player to have at the club, but it\d be Rhodes of the 2 for me.
the 2 together would be something!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 19, 2013 23:38:23 GMT 1
At present its nearly 2:1 favouring Rhodes. My question is if they swapped clubs tomorrow what would the answer be?
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 19, 2013 23:41:32 GMT 1
At present its nearly 2:1 favouring Rhodes. My question is if they swapped clubs tomorrow what would the answer be?  My question to you is, is Specsavers open in the morning? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 19, 2013 23:44:16 GMT 1
i meant favouring Vaughan. From now on i will hawk your every typo and error
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 19, 2013 23:45:12 GMT 1
, that was purely put on to wind Malv up. Wouldn't expect you to see through that though. Absolute rubbish Colt. You were telling everyone to lump on and you got it wrong. downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/85687/cristiano-ronaldoSome nice league 1 headers in that Youtube clip, enjoyed that. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 19, 2013 23:47:33 GMT 1
i meant favouring Vaughan. From now on i will hawk your every typo and error I'm like a robot.  |
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Post by BoltonTerrier on Sept 19, 2013 23:58:34 GMT 1
Vaughan clearly the better player . Rhodes clearly the better scorer. If we'd have had Jordan we'd have beat Donny.
Tough one but id go for JV
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 0:09:13 GMT 1
I think I'd prefer both.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 20, 2013 0:17:19 GMT 1
No way would i swap Vaughan! Yes Rhodes is the more natural goalscorer, but Vaughan brings so much more to the team.. His enthusiasm rubs off on the other players, his movement & strength scares the life out of defenders & he knows how to kick the shit outa corner flags, unlike Rhodes! (Yes i saw that weak imitation Jordan!)
We've certainly been blessed with 2 real gem strikers over these last few years.. Paid well under £1m for each aswell.. Bargains!!
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Post by ritchie on Sept 20, 2013 0:29:33 GMT 1
i love james vaughan and he is the better all-rounder, great ability, good lad, wants to be here, was a bargain and fantastic replacement, scores his fair share...
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if money was no object, and both wanted to play here, it would be rhodes for me. natural finisher and will score bags of goals at the top level over his career. can see him being a bit of a kevin phillips.
also think it's funny how people say "if we can keep JV injury free, he will score as many as rhodes" ...if my auntie had bollocks she'd be my uncle springs to mind. im not saying he wont stay injury free, but its part of the risk with him and the reason we got him... if they both played the same amount i think rhodes would score more anyway, but i cant see vaughan playing as many. (though i do see his games per season rising year on year). it's like saying "if we can make rhodes find an extra yard or two of pace, he will score more than vaughan"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 0:34:21 GMT 1
There's absolutely no question over the ability of either player, although they both have differing strengths and weaknesses.
The fact is had Vaughan not been blighted by injuries over the majority of his career thus far, he would be currently playing in the Premier League, whether that be with Everton, Norwich, whoever, there's absolutely no doubt he'd be in that division.
It baffles me that no-one in the Prem decided to take a punt on Rhodes in the summer, perhaps his price is just too high? Either way he has proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is more than good enough for this division at least.
With the way team currently is, I would take Vaughan over Rhodes every day, simply because I don't think we have players capable of creating enough chances for Rhodes to score. Vaughan will create his own chances, Rhodes won't. If Scannell, Hammill, and Ward performed consistently well enough, then it would have to be Rhodes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 0:42:27 GMT 1
i meant favouring Vaughan. From now on i will hawk your every typo and error Steady on Ted, you already stalk me, don't commit to too much ;-) |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 20, 2013 1:00:11 GMT 1
I thought it would be almost an impossible task to replace JR .... well done to Grayson, Robins, Hoyle for pulling Vaughan out of the hat with a £7.5mm surplus .... did we get lucky / box clever there.
Having a hot striker be it Rhodes or Vaughan is great - but it doesn't necessarily win you much - no idea who Cardiff or Hull top scorers were last season. The 5 best strikers in the Championship last season: Rhodes, Deeney, Vydra, Woods, Vaughan didn't win promotion for their sides - or, apart from Vydra, get snapped up by Premiership clubs.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 20, 2013 1:21:17 GMT 1
Good point goodshot, but you did miss Glenn Murray off the list & his goals got Crystal palace promotion.
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Post by ritchie on Sept 20, 2013 1:30:25 GMT 1
There's absolutely no question over the ability of either player, although they both have differing strengths and weaknesses. The fact is had Vaughan not been blighted by injuries over the majority of his career thus far, he would be currently playing in the Premier League, whether that be with Everton, Norwich, whoever, there's absolutely no doubt he'd be in that division. It baffles me that no-one in the Prem decided to take a punt on Rhodes in the summer, perhaps his price is just too high? Either way he has proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is more than good enough for this division at least. With the way team currently is, I would take Vaughan over Rhodes every day, simply because I don't think we have players capable of creating enough chances for Rhodes to score. Vaughan will create his own chances, Rhodes won't. If Scannell, Hammill, and Ward performed consistently well enough, then it would have to be Rhodes. people say this, but rhodes often used to pull a goal from nothing  bit of a myth imo. he's scored plenty from anticipating and breaking the defence then chipping the keeper etc...not all his goals were in the box..and often when they were you'd think "most people wouldnt have made a goal from that" ...is that not "creating your own chances"? what is the definition? vayghan offers more for the team in terms of tracking back, workrate etc, but not sure how rhodes can create less chances for himself yet score more goals!! especially considering how little the rest of the team created in the promotion season |
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Post by impact on Sept 20, 2013 1:51:43 GMT 1
I thought it would be almost an impossible task to replace JR .... well done to Grayson, Robins, Hoyle for pulling Vaughan out of the hat with a £7.5mm surplus .... did we get lucky / box clever there. Having a hot striker be it Rhodes or Vaughan is great - but it doesn't necessarily win you much - no idea who Cardiff or Hull top scorers were last season. The 5 best strikers in the Championship last season: Rhodes, Deeney, Vydra, Woods, Vaughan didn't win promotion for their sides - or, apart from Vydra, get snapped up by Premiership clubs. Glenn Murray was the best and got his side promoted. Take your point though. |
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Post by impact on Sept 20, 2013 1:57:04 GMT 1
There's absolutely no question over the ability of either player, although they both have differing strengths and weaknesses. The fact is had Vaughan not been blighted by injuries over the majority of his career thus far, he would be currently playing in the Premier League, whether that be with Everton, Norwich, whoever, there's absolutely no doubt he'd be in that division. It baffles me that no-one in the Prem decided to take a punt on Rhodes in the summer, perhaps his price is just too high? Either way he has proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is more than good enough for this division at least. With the way team currently is, I would take Vaughan over Rhodes every day, simply because I don't think we have players capable of creating enough chances for Rhodes to score. Vaughan will create his own chances, Rhodes won't. If Scannell, Hammill, and Ward performed consistently well enough, then it would have to be Rhodes. people say this, but rhodes often used to pull a goal from nothing bit of a myth imo. he's scored plenty from anticipating and breaking the defence then chipping the keeper etc...not all his goals were in the box..and often when they were you'd think "most people wouldnt have made a goal from that" ...is that not "creating your own chances"? what is the definition? vayghan offers more for the team in terms of tracking back, workrate etc, but not sure how rhodes can create less chances for himself yet score more goals!! especially considering how little the rest of the team created in the promotion seasonThe assists charts say otherwise. Ward and Novak 11, Hunt 10, Roberts 8. Hunt to Rhodes in particular was a great partnership. They put the ball in the box knowing that Jordan would get on the end of it. He creates chances with his movement but without the ball being put in the right areas he wouldn't have got nearly as many goals. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Sept 20, 2013 2:24:04 GMT 1
Glenn Murray was the best and got his side promoted. Take your point though. Ulloa was no slouch either. |
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