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Post by bigfatmonkey on Sept 26, 2013 18:39:52 GMT 1
I'd much rather have him in the squad than Gerrard or Wallace.
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Post by squalicus on Sept 26, 2013 18:44:02 GMT 1
Its another case of people having short memories . Was a better player at 19 than he was at 25 . At town he had no heart . Got on a good wage and didn't care . If he had shown half the commitment as Tom did he would have made it at town . Now he is not on a cushy number and is having to put the effort in . Simple . There are a few of our players now what could do with a similar reality check .
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Post by shawsie on Sept 26, 2013 18:45:34 GMT 1
Certainly wasn't just you. But his ability to pass the ball over 40 or 50 yards was VASTLY better than other centre backs we've had like P Clarke,Kay, McCombe, trotman, Butler, Gerrad Lynch. I always thought it was a bit like with his errors, that any stray pass seemed to count X10 somehow compared to others. He was just one of those players that got far more criticism than he deserved IMO. Think it's an academy thing as recently Smithies and Hunt have had the same over-exagerated response to any error. A good number of goals came as a direct result of NC playing a good long ball out from the back ( 3 in his last 3 home games I seem to remember from a row about this back then). I bet we haven't had 3 goals that have come from a pass by our centre backs in all the time since. Anyway, its good to see him doing well as he goes into the last few years of his career. Hope he gets to play a bit of championship football before he hangs his boots up, as had things gone differently for him with injuries thats where hed have spent the bulk of his career I reckon. Cap'n - where is this academy overreaction?! Hunt got stick because he got billy big time and called the fans helmets - hardly surprising, especially when he was getting rinsed fairly regularly. Smithies does get a bit of flak, but it all emanates from being lauded as the next England keeper as he came through the ranks......like many before him, the hype hasn't quite been lived up to that's all. That ain't a dig at smithies either because he is a good keeper at this level. Players like Kay, trotman, Clarke, Novak, gerrard have all been subject to just as much if not more criticism in recent seasons and weren't home grown.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Sept 26, 2013 19:35:46 GMT 1
I loved what the man did for Town but he is a limited player who never kicked on from his early promise, whether it was through injury or whatever he just never kicked on. Anyone who thinks he should be in our squad now must not realise how far we have come over the last few years.
he was a great servant for Town but he left at the right time. I would love to see him promoted as Orient captain, & to be fair their start to the season shouldn't be seen as a flash in the pan or a massive surprise, because they had the 2nd best record in Div 3 last season over the last 17 games, however, I would be very surprised if they can keep it up all season when injuries & suspensions kick in to their limited squad.
Whatever happens, I would always give him a big reception back here.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 26, 2013 20:00:56 GMT 1
[quote author=" k1htafc" source="/post/1409783/thread" timestamp="1380214216" - Nathan had interest from Chelsea, if I recall? They're both good, decent lads - and all the best to them at Orient and Preston. I think it was Aston Villa Nathan was strongly linked with, not Chelsea. It would be great to see little old Leyton Orient make the Championship. Always an enjoyable away trip, and an easy one for me. [/quote] Is it really that long since "little old Leyton Orient" were in Premi........ hold on,..... in The First Division - suddenly I feel very old!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 20:07:45 GMT 1
Top boys are the Clarke bros & both now key players at their respective league one clubs. As down to earth and pleasant footballers as you could wish to meet. Good luck to them.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2013 21:04:57 GMT 1
Certainly wasn't just you. But his ability to pass the ball over 40 or 50 yards was VASTLY better than other centre backs we've had like P Clarke,Kay, McCombe, trotman, Butler, Gerrad Lynch. I always thought it was a bit like with his errors, that any stray pass seemed to count X10 somehow compared to others. He was just one of those players that got far more criticism than he deserved IMO. Think it's an academy thing as recently Smithies and Hunt have had the same over-exagerated response to any error. A good number of goals came as a direct result of NC playing a good long ball out from the back ( 3 in his last 3 home games I seem to remember from a row about this back then). I bet we haven't had 3 goals that have come from a pass by our centre backs in all the time since. Anyway, its good to see him doing well as he goes into the last few years of his career. Hope he gets to play a bit of championship football before he hangs his boots up, as had things gone differently for him with injuries thats where hed have spent the bulk of his career I reckon. Cap'n - where is this academy overreaction?! Hunt got stick because he got billy big time and called the fans helmets - hardly surprising, especially when he was getting rinsed fairly regularly. Smithies does get a bit of flak, but it all emanates from being lauded as the next England keeper as he came through the ranks......like many before him, the hype hasn't quite been lived up to that's all. That ain't a dig at smithies either because he is a good keeper at this level. Players like Kay, trotman, Clarke, Novak, gerrard have all been subject to just as much if not more criticism in recent seasons and weren't home grown. I just see academy players in general are criticised and judged on a very different scale to many of the incoming players. Been like that for years. Hunt was always 'crap at defending' everytime he allowed a winger to get a cross in. Its as if a player coming through the academy is supposed to be able to play error free. Something the spanish internationals cant do! Smithies has barely put a foot, or hand, wrong for 2 years but still thats not enough. When he finally costs us a goal again therell be plenty slagging him off. Nathan had the same. Every mistake exaggerated. Not good enough..blah blah.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Sept 26, 2013 21:18:36 GMT 1
Cap'n - where is this academy overreaction?! Hunt got stick because he got billy big time and called the fans helmets - hardly surprising, especially when he was getting rinsed fairly regularly. Smithies does get a bit of flak, but it all emanates from being lauded as the next England keeper as he came through the ranks......like many before him, the hype hasn't quite been lived up to that's all. That ain't a dig at smithies either because he is a good keeper at this level. Players like Kay, trotman, Clarke, Novak, gerrard have all been subject to just as much if not more criticism in recent seasons and weren't home grown. I just see academy players in general are criticised and judged on a very different scale to many of the incoming players. Been like that for years. Hunt was always 'crap at defending' everytime he allowed a winger to get a cross in. Its as if a player coming through the academy is supposed to be able to play error free. Something the spanish internationals cant do! Smithies has barely put a foot, or hand, wrong for 2 years but still thats not enough. When he finally costs us a goal again therell be plenty slagging him off. Nathan had the same. Every mistake exaggerated. Not good enough..blah blah. just don't agree with that Slapps...IMO Hunt is not a Premiership quality defender as he can't head a ball, is pretty weak in a 50-50 & often gets done by a ball inside him, & while Smithies, IMO, is a Premiership quality shot-stopper, it is only a matter of time before his total lack of command of his 6 yard box costs us. BUT, I don't care where they come from, I just call how I see it on the pitch, not from their birth certificate
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 21:47:39 GMT 1
Was named in the top 50 players in the football league in 2005. I have no idea why that fact stuck in my mind but it has. He had a hell of a long throw on him as well.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2013 21:53:13 GMT 1
Youve just illustrated my point well. Smithies has a 'total lack of command of his area'? What utter drivel! If wed brought him in would you still ignore the way he constantly claims crosses when under presure? How many YEARS is it now since this total lack of command has cost us a goal with some flapping or something?
And the various prem managers who've been trying to sign hunt clearly mustnt realise how shit he is!
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Sept 26, 2013 22:00:36 GMT 1
I really rated Nathan and Tom and they were Town through and through. Delighted they're both doing well. Our loss has been someone else's gain
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Sept 26, 2013 22:20:18 GMT 1
Youve just illustrated my point well. Smithies has a 'total lack of command of his area'? What utter drivel! If wed brought him in would you still ignore the way he constantly claims crosses when under presure? How many YEARS is it now since this total lack of command has cost us a goal with some flapping or something? And the various prem managers who've been trying to sign hunt clearly mustnt realise how shit he is! You are just showing a complete lack of any football knowledge if you think Smithies is the master of his 6 yard box...time & time again he is rooted to his line & his defenders have to deal with virtually everything in that area but why do you persist with arguing something that is just not true? we can all have our opinions about a player's merits but why are you obsessed with where a player comes from? I believe his biggest weakness is dealing with the ball in his 6 yard area...I don't give a monkeys whether he comes from Hudds or even Bratfud...it's irrelevent. As for "constantly claims crosses under pressure"...that has to be a joke right? We will see who is right about Hunt in the long run, but past history tells the board that just about everyone you have ever rated has gone backwards after leaving us. I feel sorry for Hunt about his injury & I hope it doesn't stop his chances of forging a Premiership career...I just don't happen to think he's good enough defensively at present but I hope it gets coached into him. Again, I don't care where he comes from, it's irrelevant. You sometimes make some relevant points but lose credibility due to your total lack of understanding or acceptance of people who have different opinions to you.
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Post by impact on Sept 26, 2013 22:34:51 GMT 1
Anyones distribution can look good with Andy Booth in the side. All he had to do (and did) was hoof the ball somewhere near him. N Clarke's distribution wasn't any better than P Clarke or even McCombe. In fact I'd say it was worse.
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Post by shawsie on Sept 26, 2013 22:39:24 GMT 1
Youve just illustrated my point well. Smithies has a 'total lack of command of his area'? What utter drivel! If wed brought him in would you still ignore the way he constantly claims crosses when under presure? How many YEARS is it now since this total lack of command has cost us a goal with some flapping or something? And the various prem managers who've been trying to sign hunt clearly mustnt realise how shit he is! Nobody said hunt is shit capn......just that hes not a top class full back. He might become one, but he isnt now. The criticism has mostly been of him making the same mistakes and of being a little dim on twitter. As for the academy lads - holdsworth, worthy, clarkes, mirf etc had years to prove they could get us to the next level. They didnt because they werent up to it, but i dont recall any of them receiving more abuse than beckett, brandon, gtf, kamara etc etc who were all brought in to achieve the same thing....far from it in fact!
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2013 23:50:18 GMT 1
Youve just illustrated my point well. Smithies has a 'total lack of command of his area'? What utter drivel! If wed brought him in would you still ignore the way he constantly claims crosses when under presure? How many YEARS is it now since this total lack of command has cost us a goal with some flapping or something? And the various prem managers who've been trying to sign hunt clearly mustnt realise how shit he is! You are just showing a complete lack of any football knowledge if you think Smithies is the master of his 6 yard box...time & time again he is rooted to his line & his defenders have to deal with virtually everything in that area but why do you persist with arguing something that is just not true? we can all have our opinions about a player's merits but why are you obsessed with where a player comes from? I believe his biggest weakness is dealing with the ball in his 6 yard area...I don't give a monkeys whether he comes from Hudds or even Bratfud...it's irrelevent. As for "constantly claims crosses under pressure"...that has to be a joke right? We will see who is right about Hunt in the long run, but past history tells the board that just about everyone you have ever rated has gone backwards after leaving us. I feel sorry for Hunt about his injury & I hope it doesn't stop his chances of forging a Premiership career...I just don't happen to think he's good enough defensively at present but I hope it gets coached into him. Again, I don't care where he comes from, it's irrelevant. You sometimes make some relevant points but lose credibility due to your total lack of understanding or acceptance of people who have different opinions to you. So its my fault that you haven't got a clue about smithies and choose to pretend he doesn't claim practically every ball he could reasonably be expected to? ' Total lack of command of his area' ,'his defenders have to deal with everything in that area' - shut up man, its so much bollocks its laughable. Ive rated all sorts of players we've had. Some have gone upwards, some have gone downwards- either way i rated them on what they did HERE, for Town, not what happened after they'd left. And thats what ACTUALLY happened- try it sometime. Try it on smithies mainly- you'll realise why i think you haven' got a clue what you;'re talking about. My guess is you REALLY rated Peltier and considered him a prem full back. I'd also guess all the times he got beat by his winger ( which was fairly often in reality) didn't register at all? But hunt can't head a ball or tackle anyone or defend at all? The prem managers who wanted to spend millions on him are all as wrong as me then?
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2013 23:56:38 GMT 1
Youve just illustrated my point well. Smithies has a 'total lack of command of his area'? What utter drivel! If wed brought him in would you still ignore the way he constantly claims crosses when under presure? How many YEARS is it now since this total lack of command has cost us a goal with some flapping or something? And the various prem managers who've been trying to sign hunt clearly mustnt realise how shit he is! Nobody said hunt is shit capn......just that hes not a top class full back. He might become one, but he isnt now. The criticism has mostly been of him making the same mistakes and of being a little dim on twitter. As for the academy lads - holdsworth, worthy, clarkes, mirf etc had years to prove they could get us to the next level. They didnt because they werent up to it, but i dont recall any of them receiving more abuse than beckett, brandon, gtf, kamara etc etc who were all brought in to achieve the same thing....far from it in fact! Hunt is a defender who can't head the ball and can't tackle apparently. I'd say thats the same as saying he's 'shit', surely? Those players didn;'t get us to the next level BECAUSE THE TEAM THEY PLAYED IN FELL JUST SHORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Football is NOT an individuals game pal!! You're only as successful as the team you're in is capable of! George best wasn't shit because Northern Ireland never qualified for the World Cup finals!! The squad that eventually took us up had some right dross in it. It doesn't mean those players were great just because we happened to have Rhodes who couldn't stop scoring!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 0:16:13 GMT 1
Nobody said hunt is shit capn......just that hes not a top class full back. He might become one, but he isnt now. The criticism has mostly been of him making the same mistakes and of being a little dim on twitter. As for the academy lads - holdsworth, worthy, clarkes, mirf etc had years to prove they could get us to the next level. They didnt because they werent up to it, but i dont recall any of them receiving more abuse than beckett, brandon, gtf, kamara etc etc who were all brought in to achieve the same thing....far from it in fact! Hunt is a defender who can't head the ball and can't tackle apparently. I'd say thats the same as saying he's 'shit', surely? Those players didn;'t get us to the next level BECAUSE THE TEAM THEY PLAYED IN FELL JUST SHORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Football is NOT an individuals game pal!! You're only as successful as the team you're in is capable of!George best wasn't shit because Northern Ireland never qualified for the World Cup finals!! The squad that eventually took us up had some right dross in it. It doesn't mean those players were great just because we happened to have Rhodes who couldn't stop scoring!Contradictory?
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 27, 2013 0:23:24 GMT 1
I suppose i is a bit, but you get my point? A really exceptional striker can carry a side to a higher place than it as a whole deserves to be. If you could have taken rhodes back in time and stuck him in the Town side of 2006 then we'd have gone up that year too. And by Shawsie's logic, those players he names then WOULD have been capable of getting us to the next level- because they had Rhodes in their team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 0:28:06 GMT 1
I suppose i is a bit, but you get my point? A really exceptional striker can carry a side to a higher place than it as a whole deserves to be. If you could have taken rhodes back in time and stuck him in the Town side of 2006 then we'd have gone up that year too. And by Shawsie's logic, those players he names then WOULD have been capable of getting us to the next level- because they had Rhodes in their team. Of course captain, just kidding.
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Post by Giggity on Sept 27, 2013 0:43:47 GMT 1
Villa were linked but it was Arsenal that were very interested in him when he first started in our first team. It was Wigan who showed the biggest interest.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 5:53:26 GMT 1
Never doubted his ability, only his health.
Would certainly be good enough for this division if he could stay fit.
And pretty sure it was Villa who were 'outed' as looking to sign him for around 3 mill (?).
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Post by Five Lamps on Sept 27, 2013 11:05:05 GMT 1
Nathan 'Beckenbauer' Clarke? Hardly the best distributor of the ball from defence, but he always put a shift in for the Town. He stuck with the club through our recent worst, but he did the right thing in moving on to get first team football – it looks like it's paying off for him. 14th February 2009. Who put the ball in the bastards' net?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 27, 2013 11:37:08 GMT 1
Great player and a great servant to the club, I can still remember his debut against Stoke at their then new stadium - Played a blinder Went to that game aswell.. Had no idea who he was until halfway through the 1st half! Stevie Jenkins was sat in the stand with us aswell, just before his move to Swansea?
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 26, 2015 7:41:52 GMT 1
Think he is worth a Punt and a 12 month deal.
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Post by Melc on Jul 26, 2015 8:20:43 GMT 1
Think he is worth a Punt and a 12 month deal. Really?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 26, 2015 8:22:11 GMT 1
World's gone mad
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Post by terrier10 on Jul 26, 2015 8:23:28 GMT 1
Signing for Bradford, he was watching their pre-season game against Carlisle yesterday and expected to sign before next game according to Radio Leeds yesterday. Good move for him.
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Post by griffa on Jul 26, 2015 8:46:50 GMT 1
Signing for Bradford, he was watching their pre-season game against Carlisle yesterday and expected to sign before next game according to Radio Leeds yesterday. Good move for him. Nathan Clarke is a top bloke & I'd like to take the opportunity to wish him & his family all the best for his expected move to Bradford City - UTT.
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Post by bantam10 on Jul 28, 2015 19:47:03 GMT 1
he has signed for Bradford today. will he do well for us would you say?
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Post by terrierng on Jul 28, 2015 19:49:31 GMT 1
he has signed for Bradford today. will he do well for us would you say? Way better than anything you have
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