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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 18:37:26 GMT 1
It might be wrong, but I too feel as if we have bought a load of shit over the years...either that or brought in good players then coached them into total incompetence ..yes we've had some very good ones, but I guess the law of averages would say out of 70 (?) you will get 3 or 4 good 'uns...
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Post by Malvern Tom (WAHLS) on Feb 23, 2014 19:05:32 GMT 1
It might be wrong, but I too feel as if we have bought a load of shit over the years...either that or brought in good players then coached them into total incompetence ..yes we've had some very good ones, but I guess the law of averages would say out of 70 (?) you will get 3 or 4 good 'uns... The load of shite has got us from the fourth division into the second, so summats worked a bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 21:18:55 GMT 1
i think the refence was to past 5 years..? even then, the number of players clark brought in was ridiculous, and he won bugger all...we fluked promotion after missing our first 3 pens, hardly a recipe for success when it all came down to our goalie (home grown) to win the game...
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Post by Malvern Tom (WAHLS) on Feb 23, 2014 23:24:03 GMT 1
i think the refence was to past 5 years..? even then, the number of players clark brought in was ridiculous, and he won bugger all...we fluked promotion after missing our first 3 pens, hardly a recipe for success when it all came down to our goalie (home grown) to win the game... You will find that the team that got us promotion and then kept us in the championship (which was the priority) were mostly signings from the last 5 years. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Feb 24, 2014 4:12:02 GMT 1
A valid point, just trying to make a different one with a nemesis who seemingly fails to recognise anything i post. Get one thing straight in your deluded old head pal, at no point in your life lived, or life to come, are you worthy of being anybody's 'nemesis', let alone mine. I, along with the vast majority of people on here, recognise virtually everything you post, as nothing but contradictory bullshit, and make no mistake my friend, that's exactly what it is. I accept that many of my posts are contrary (I cant be a sheep) but they are certainly not contradictory. Of course agreeing with a post is far less interesting (on what is essentially a public forum/blog) than taking the opposite view. My original post was a viewpoint...was i contradicting anyone? Most on here are Town fans, they therefore have an inclination to support the team, performances, manager, tactics, signings etc by virtue of feeling a sense of affinity or duty. Speaking of delusional....thats how i would describe Town fans collectively. If the teams performances and results matched the fans continual optimism we would be playing Man Utd tomorrow instead of Olympiakos. |
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Post by philincalifornia on Feb 24, 2014 6:13:23 GMT 1
F-kin 'ell - we're playing Olympiakos tomorrow. You b@stards, no one told me !!!!
.... also, I spent a bit of time (maybe 30 seconds) cogitating on whether I would rather discuss the merits of anything with a BBC journalist or take my mutt for a shit on a nice quiet Sunday.
I think that I can honestly say that watching a dog poo would be more intellectually stimulating than listening to anything a BBC journalist has to say these days.
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Post by Colt Seavers on Feb 24, 2014 9:20:39 GMT 1
Ooh, I love it when Oti goes all " University Challenge" on us  "Universally Challenged" Edited to make sense. |
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Post by Colt Seavers on Feb 24, 2014 9:36:54 GMT 1
Look we should by now have learned that Oti will do his level best to be controversial as this is the only way he can maintain a more than one page thread. Most of his posts now just pass me by as narcissistic nonsensical drivel.I did actually get drawn into this thread though, due to the ambiguity of its title, i too was disappointed not to find a picture of a dart throwing monkey as i think this would be Oti's most likely comparison. This was the best i could do.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 10:06:22 GMT 1
Get one thing straight in your deluded old head pal, at no point in your life lived, or life to come, are you worthy of being anybody's 'nemesis', let alone mine. I, along with the vast majority of people on here, recognise virtually everything you post, as nothing but contradictory bullshit, and make no mistake my friend, that's exactly what it is. I accept that many of my posts are contrary (I cant be a sheep) but they are certainly not contradictory. Of course agreeing with a post is far less interesting (on what is essentially a public forum/blog) than taking the opposite view. My original post was a viewpoint...was i contradicting anyone? Most on here are Town fans, they therefore have an inclination to support the team, performances, manager, tactics, signings etc by virtue of feeling a sense of affinity or duty. Speaking of delusional....thats how i would describe Town fans collectively. If the teams performances and results matched the fans continual optimism we would be playing Man Utd tomorrow instead of Olympiakos. When I said contradictory, I didn't mean in it in respect to other posts on here, I meant as in you contradict yourself. |
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Post by Malvern Tom (WAHLS) on Feb 24, 2014 11:56:45 GMT 1
I tend to go between agreeing 100% with oti, and cringing at his silly posts. One thing for sure though....this board would be the worse for his absence.
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Post by someguy on Feb 24, 2014 12:16:57 GMT 1
I'm confused. Players who were with us in the past 3 years have played (or would have if not for injury) in the premiership. Pretty sure a team would have taken a punt on Rhodes if the premium for young british players wasn't so absurdly high. Yes we signed some tripe, who hasn't? I'm happier with our squad than 5 seasons ago, and also much happier with the league position. We'll play shit some times, its annoying but it will happen. And then we started quoting russians for some reason. "My English is very bad."  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 12:27:48 GMT 1
"It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense." Miller Pretty much sums up those who lack insight into their limited intellectual abilities. I preferred his work with Armstrong. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Feb 24, 2014 12:43:55 GMT 1
In one way, I do agree with otium (EPBS) in that we have bought and sold a lot of players. Where I disagree is that this produces no better than random selection would. The whole castle of football is built on sand such as this and I doubt that any other comparable club has any better comparable record than us. EVERY club buys and sells players and LOADS of them fall off the end of the conveyor unused at this (or higher) level. It is just the way it works and any young player signing up to a professional side must bear those odds in mind. |
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Post by Malvern Tom (WAHLS) on Feb 24, 2014 12:49:49 GMT 1
"It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense." Miller Pretty much sums up those who lack insight into their limited intellectual abilities. I preferred his work with Armstrong. He lives in a windmill. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 13:02:36 GMT 1
i think the refence was to past 5 years..? even then, the number of players clark brought in was ridiculous, and he won bugger all...we fluked promotion after missing our first 3 pens, hardly a recipe for success when it all came down to our goalie (home grown) to win the game... You will find that the team that got us promotion and then kept us in the championship (which was the priority) were mostly signings from the last 5 years. Beckford and Vaughan kept us up. , Wolves (a) 3-1 beckford 2 Millwall (h) 3-0 beckford 2, vaughan. Bristol City (a) 3-1 vaughan 3 Barnskey (h) 2-2 vaughan, beckford. |
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Post by OldRastrickian on Feb 24, 2014 13:14:18 GMT 1
H&S would never sanction dart-throwing monkeys in the boardroom. But I'm sure they wouldn't object to a parrot picking names out of a hat.........
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 13:20:11 GMT 1
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Post by Floyds on Feb 24, 2014 13:28:37 GMT 1
Signing 7 strikers, and still being in need of a striker, is some achievement.
Unsure why we didn't sign (say) 4 but sign a higher quality of player.
"Quality over quantity" should be a motto alongside "pathways" and "the Huddersfield Town way".
Hopefully we'll learn our lesson at some stage, and sign three top quality (at this level) players this summer (a CB, CM and striker).
Rather than 10 average/injured/*development squad* ones.
You can but hope.
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Post by Fullisheight on Feb 24, 2014 14:02:40 GMT 1
Signing 7 strikers, and still being in need of a striker, is some achievement. Unsure why we didn't sign (say) 4 but sign a higher quality of player. "Quality over quantity" should be a motto alongside "pathways" and "the Huddersfield Town way". Hopefully we'll learn our lesson at some stage, and sign three top quality (at this level) players this summer (a CB, CM and striker). Rather than 10 average/injured/*development squad* ones. You can but hope. Maybe they think they have bought 7 high quality strikers, just that some need time to develop (hence the development squad), some haven't worked out as well as we'd hoped (which is more or less inevitable at every club; no club has a 100% success rate) and one is still finding his feet in difficult circumstances. I would imagine every club wants to sign quality players, I can't imagine clubs deliberately buy bad players. But the higher the quality of players the more options they're likely to have and there are more attractive options out there at the moment than playing for Town. From what I can see what we're trying to do is to show young talent that they should come to us rather than other clubs because they'll be given the right support and the opportunity to progress when they're ready. |
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Post by Floyds on Feb 24, 2014 15:15:03 GMT 1
Apologies - I should have said 4 players using the budget for 7 i.e. hopefully you'd attract a higher quality of player (assuming you get what you pay for).
Not always the case I know, but you'd expect 4 players signed on higher wages would be > 7 on lower ones.
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Post by Malvern Tom (WAHLS) on Feb 24, 2014 15:23:12 GMT 1
You will find that the team that got us promotion and then kept us in the championship (which was the priority) were mostly signings from the last 5 years. Beckford and Vaughan kept us up. , Wolves (a) 3-1 beckford 2 Millwall (h) 3-0 beckford 2, vaughan. Bristol City (a) 3-1 vaughan 3 Barnskey (h) 2-2 vaughan, beckford. Daftest post of the day. That's same as saying Smithies got us promotion. There are 11 players in a football team. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2014 15:32:44 GMT 1
Beckford and Vaughan kept us up. , Wolves (a) 3-1 beckford 2 Millwall (h) 3-0 beckford 2, vaughan. Bristol City (a) 3-1 vaughan 3 Barnskey (h) 2-2 vaughan, beckford. Daftest post of the day. That's same as saying Smithies got us promotion. There are 11 players in a football team. Ah, you've descended to personal insult...always a sign of a lost argument. |
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Post by deadleg on Feb 24, 2014 16:04:14 GMT 1
I preferred his work with Armstrong. He lives in a windmill. Whereas Otium just tilts at windmills during whichever sally he happens to be on at the time  |
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Post by Malvern Tom (WAHLS) on Feb 24, 2014 16:22:28 GMT 1
Daftest post of the day. That's same as saying Smithies got us promotion. There are 11 players in a football team. Ah, you've descended to personal insult...always a sign of a lost argument. Where's the personal insult? |
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Feb 25, 2014 0:50:00 GMT 1
Without perspective your original post means absolutely nothing - but I'm pretty sure if you pick any other team around us in the league they will have similar results in terms of hit and miss with signing players.
Without perspective any average intellect, in fact even an idiot - can make something seem more dramatic than it actually is.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Feb 25, 2014 6:49:32 GMT 1
I am not dramatising anythng Jimbo. The fact is we have been rubbish in the transfer market since i started watching in 1970.
A handful of players sold for decent fees to clubs higher up the league in over 40 years? Come on, that has to be the worst record of ANY league club.
Charlton, Booth, Rhodes, Peltier, Hunt in recent times (recent....15 years!). A pitiful return.
Look at the players we sign on good money, Lee, Donis, Scannell. Donkeys.
Remember record signing Tracy austin? A dozen goals in nearly a hundred games as i recall.
I have posted on here before that i recommended 5 players to Town in the 90's. They all became internationals. I was Sunday league standard but have a better eye than professional paid scouts.
Why do we find it so hard to spot talent and bring it on? When will the situation imrove? Is this new crop going to turn the corner for us?
3 things before signing someone....does he improve the team and is a better player than the one he replaces....is he comfortable on the ball (with both feet)......can he run fast. Its really as simple as that.
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Post by Malvern Tom (WAHLS) on Feb 25, 2014 8:21:55 GMT 1
I am not dramatising anythng Jimbo. The fact is we have been rubbish in the transfer market since i started watching in 1970. A handful of players sold for decent fees to clubs higher up the league in over 40 years? Come on, that has to be the worst record of ANY league club. Charlton, Booth, Rhodes, Peltier, Hunt in recent times (recent....15 years!). A pitiful return. Look at the players we sign on good money, Lee, Donis, Scannell. Donkeys. Remember record signing Tracy austin? A dozen goals in nearly a hundred games as i recall. I have posted on here before that i recommended 5 players to Town in the 90's. They all became internationals. I was Sunday league standard but have a better eye than professional paid scouts. Why do we find it so hard to spot talent and bring it on? When will the situation imrove? Is this new crop going to turn the corner for us? 3 things before signing someone....does he improve the team and is a better player than the one he replaces....is he comfortable on the ball (with both feet)......can he run fast. Its really as simple as that. As a matter of interest Oti, who would YOU have replaced Rhodes with? |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 25, 2014 8:42:18 GMT 1
A handful of players sold for decent fees to clubs higher up the league in over 40 years? Come on, that has to be the worst record of ANY league club. Charlton, Booth, Rhodes, Peltier, Hunt in recent times (recent....15 years!). A pitiful return. Stead, Taylor-Fletcher, Marsden, plenty others if you put your mind to it. |
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Post by dugnet on Feb 25, 2014 12:59:13 GMT 1
I am not dramatising anythng Jimbo. The fact is we have been rubbish in the transfer market since i started watching in 1970. A handful of players sold for decent fees to clubs higher up the league in over 40 years? Come on, that has to be the worst record of ANY league club. Charlton, Booth, Rhodes, Peltier, Hunt in recent times (recent....15 years!). A pitiful return. Look at the players we sign on good money, Lee, Donis, Scannell. Donkeys. Remember record signing Tracy austin? A dozen goals in nearly a hundred games as i recall. I have posted on here before that i recommended 5 players to Town in the 90's. They all became internationals. I was Sunday league standard but have a better eye than professional paid scouts. Why do we find it so hard to spot talent and bring it on? When will the situation imrove? Is this new crop going to turn the corner for us? 3 things before signing someone....does he improve the team and is a better player than the one he replaces....is he comfortable on the ball (with both feet)......can he run fast. Its really as simple as that. Oti - You have made one big assumption in your analysis and that is the players you refer to actually wanted to come to Huddersfield/were made a suitably attractive offer. I am not sure the problem, in the past, is with scouting so much as the club being attractive. Players move for: 1 - Cash (more so than ever these days)- let's face it Town have never been know as big payers, and when we did we made a pigs ear of things. 2 - Ambition/The possibility of success and thus career progression Our current set-up should give us more chance of attracting the right players. That said I would agree that our success in, especially senior, recruitment has been more miss than hit in recent years - but many clubs would say the same. There's only so many good players. My question would be are we getting better at picking the right players? Only time will tell I guess and it will ultimately determine how successful Robins will be. Just one other thing....bar Nick Powell (and he is still only a potentially good player) name me another successful (top quality) player Crewe have found. The last would have been Dean Ashton (over 10 years ago??), the days of Rob Jones, David Platt (actually a Man U reject) and Danny Murphy are a good time ago. |
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Feb 25, 2014 13:11:38 GMT 1
A handful of players sold for decent fees to clubs higher up the league in over 40 years? Come on, that has to be the worst record of ANY league club. Charlton, Booth, Rhodes, Peltier, Hunt in recent times (recent....15 years!). A pitiful return. I have posted on here before that i recommended 5 players to Town in the 90's. They all became internationals. I was Sunday league standard but have a better eye than professional paid scouts. Both statements are beyond ridiculous and again you have no context or perspective. Worst record of any league club - bother to do some research and back that up with facts and it might be worth listening to - otherwise it's just the ramblings of a man trying to make himself heard by shouting louder than the next man. 5 players that became internationals - I'm quite sure others had spotted these young guys who went on to play for their country? Or are you seriously trying to tell us that you happened across five rough diamonds while watching sunday league football who all amazingly became internationals without anyone else spotting them? When you recommend them to town maybe they just laughed at you as they knew there was no chance they were ever coming to Town as they had already been spotted by (insert name of any club bigger than town and in the then division 1). Your arguments and discussion points are weak. Walter Mitty springs to mind. |
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