The silence is deafening!

[5kippy]

I, along with duncfost01, am wondering why there has been no statement/input from Dean for a long time about our recent form. Looking back over previous "bad runs", the silence was also there.

What I want is Dean to let us know how he is currently feeling. Is he content, because he thinks we are safe and believes in MR to build for the future? Is he contemplating a "Management Decision"?" Or is he, like the rest of us, a bag of fcking nerves not knowing where the next win will come from? And not knowing what the next Town Team will dish up for their over-worked fans.

We get MR's policy/DNA drivel every week. We understand the fundamentals of what that means, but, for HTAFC's sake I am sure we would like to see him  say " We will win the next game, no matter what the style". Just to give the fans/players etc. a much needed boost.

What do you think?

[andygolcar]

Any statement from Mr Hoyle can only undermine the manager, hence the silence.

[Deleted]

wait till friday evening.

[H7]

I think Dean will be as annoyed as the rest of us with the current form, but he will also see the bigger picture like many can't on here and realise continuity and stability is best for the club so MR won't be going anywhere right now, sorry folks

[Fullisheight]

Apr 15, 2014 12:12:43 GMT 1 5kippy said:

I, along with duncfost01, am wondering why there has been no statement/input from Dean for a long time about our recent form. Looking back over previous "bad runs", the silence was also there.

What I want is Dean to let us know how he is currently feeling. Is he content, because he thinks we are safe and believes in MR to build for the future? Is he contemplating a "Management Decision"?" Or is he, like the rest of us, a bag of fcking nerves not knowing where the next win will come from? And not knowing what the next Town Team will dish up for their over-worked fans.

We get MR's policy/DNA drivel every week. We understand the fundamentals of what that means, but, for HTAFC's sake I am sure we would like to see him  say " We will win the next game, no matter what the style". Just to give the fans/players etc. a much needed boost.

What do you think?

I always think that any message from the Chairman during a run like we're having sends the fans into more of a panic as, however it's worded, it will either be seen as a load of nonsense to keep the fans quiet or a precursor to a sacking.

I would imagine that as a fan he'll be cacking himself, as the Chairman he'll have more information at hand, will have assessed the various combination of possible results, discussed it with the relevant members of staff, provided additional support where needed and will have planned for all eventualities but still be cacking himself.

[ShortbreadPete]

Apr 15, 2014 12:22:36 GMT 1 andygolcar said:

Any statement from Mr Hoyle can only undermine the manager, hence the silence.

Spot on! Deano is no mug and will be as aware as Robins et al are as to precisely what the issues are.

[OldRastrickian]

Examiner - "Where will the next win come from, Mr Hoyle?"

DH - "Fucked if I know, mate!"

That should give the squad a boost............and the fans apoplexy.

[stevvy]

Well he's hardly going to admit in public that he's contemplating a management decision........obviously he won't be content. He may feel we're safe and believe in MR, but he won't be content as he'll know we're on a shocking run of something like 5 wins in our last 24 league games and will have been extremely unhappy at the apparent lack of giving a shit against Ipswich. We don't really need any comments from Hoyle to tell us how he's feeling or what his thoughts or. It's not like every other club chairman comes out and says what he's thinking during the course of a shit run. No reason for him to release a statement.

[5kippy]

Apr 15, 2014 12:32:09 GMT 1 ShortbreadPete said:

Apr 15, 2014 12:22:36 GMT 1 andygolcar said:

Any statement from Mr Hoyle can only undermine the manager, hence the silence.

Spot on! Deano is no mug and will be as aware as Robins et al are as to precisely what the issues are.

So Pete, in Dean's eyes, what are the issues?

[Boaty McBoatface]

Apr 15, 2014 12:25:09 GMT 1 H7 said:

I think Dean will be as annoyed as the rest of us with the current form, but he will also see the bigger picture like many can't on here and realise continuity and stability is best for the club so MR won't be going anywhere right now, sorry folks

Thanks for clearning that one up. Obviously I'm one of the many that can't see how continuity and stability is best for the club if it results in a run of 3 wins every 19 matches.

[Deleted]

Hopefully we will be hearing from him soon.

[SaudiTerrier]

Option A - Speak out about how crap we've been and completely embarrass and undermine the Manager, upset the players, and possibly cause a rift within the club and fans.

Option B - Speak out and say everything is fine and upset the fans who want better. Also might cause the players to slack off even more than they are.

Option C - Stay silent for now until the end of the season once we've survived and then give a review of the season. Remind people about off the field progress and how promising the start of the season was and use that to look forward to the future and persuade people to continue supporting and buy season tickets.

I think I'd go with option c if I was chairman.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Apr 15, 2014 13:14:08 GMT 1 SaudiTerrier said:

Option A - Speak out about how crap we've been and completely embarrass and undermine the Manager, upset the players, and possibly cause a rift within the club and fans.

Option B - Speak out and say everything is fine and upset the fans who want better. Also might cause the players to slack off even more than they are.

Option C - Stay silent for now until the end of the season once we've survived and then give a review of the season. Remind people about off the field progress and how promising the start of the season was and use that to look forward to the future and persuade people to continue supporting and buy season tickets.

I think I'd go with option c if I was chairman.

No one has ever called that into question, if as a fan you are placated by balance sheets, Canalside and the academy winning their league as opposed to first team issues the fair doo's but most of us are more concerned with issues at first team where the current set up is found wanting at the minute.

[ShortbreadPete]

Apr 15, 2014 12:44:12 GMT 1 5kippy said:

Apr 15, 2014 12:32:09 GMT 1 ShortbreadPete said:

Spot on! Deano is no mug and will be as aware as Robins et al are as to precisely what the issues are.

So Pete, in Dean's eyes, what are the issues?

My silence will be deafening!

[Deleted]

Apr 15, 2014 12:22:36 GMT 1 andygolcar said:

Any statement from Mr Hoyle can only undermine the manager, hence the silence.

Was going to say the exact same thing myself, doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
If anything, the silence shows that there is still solidarity amongst MR and the Directors.

[Deleted]

Apr 15, 2014 12:22:36 GMT 1 andygolcar said:

Any statement from Mr Hoyle can only undermine the manager, hence the silence.

Was going to say the exact same thing myself, doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
If anything, the silence shows that there is still solidarity amongst MR and the Directors.

[Deleted]

Apr 15, 2014 12:44:12 GMT 1 5kippy said:

Apr 15, 2014 12:32:09 GMT 1 ShortbreadPete said:

Spot on! Deano is no mug and will be as aware as Robins et al are as to precisely what the issues are.

So Pete, in Dean's eyes, what are the issues?

Sorry, you have to be part of the super secret clique to know that info.

[araucaria]

Dean won't make Barry Rubery's mistake in 2001 when, after a good point at Wimbledon, most of us thought we were safe and he said 'this mustn't be allowed to happen again'. Unfortunately Lady Luck had one more kick in the plums left for us on the following Sunday.

[rooo]

Apr 15, 2014 12:12:43 GMT 1 5kippy said:

I, along with duncfost01, am wondering why there has been no statement/input from Dean for a long time about our recent form. Looking back over previous "bad runs", the silence was also there.

What I want is Dean to let us know how he is currently feeling. Is he content, because he thinks we are safe and believes in MR to build for the future? Is he contemplating a "Management Decision"?" Or is he, like the rest of us, a bag of fcking nerves not knowing where the next win will come from? And not knowing what the next Town Team will dish up for their over-worked fans.

We get MR's policy/DNA drivel every week. We understand the fundamentals of what that means, but, for HTAFC's sake I am sure we would like to see him  say " We will win the next game, no matter what the style". Just to give the fans/players etc. a much needed boost.

What do you think?

Does Dean not still have a column in the programme every home game? Buy one on Friday and find out what he thinks

[joehappy]

Dean Hoyle will be regretting not sacking MR about 10 games ago I'm sure. But I'm not now is the right time to sack him. I remember Gerry Murphy taking over near the end of the season, had a few good results and then was given the job of dishing out contracts and proceeded in handing 5 year contracts to about 5 of his youngsters who were never good enough and have played most of there football in the bottom division. At least MR now knows what a pile of xxxx we have and he can get rid when the season is over. So Dean Hoyle like us will be praying that we survive by other teams not getting enough points to overtake us. That's our only hope cos we having got a win in us.

[5kippy]

Apr 15, 2014 13:33:28 GMT 1 @sheriffofhudds said:

Apr 15, 2014 12:44:12 GMT 1 5kippy said:

So Pete, in Dean's eyes, what are the issues?

Sorry, you have to be part of the super secret clique to know that info.

Don't know you Sheriff. But I know Pete and he's never cliqued yet.

However I may have met you!

[seanyd1brit]

Apr 15, 2014 14:01:12 GMT 1 joehappy said:

Dean Hoyle will be regretting not sacking MR about 10 games ago I'm sure. But I'm not now is the right time to sack him. I remember Gerry Murphy taking over near the end of the season, had a few good results and then was given the job of dishing out contracts and proceeded in handing 5 year contracts to about 5 of his youngsters who were never good enough and have played most of there football in the bottom division. At least MR now knows what a pile of xxxx we have and he can get rid when the season is over. So Dean Hoyle like us will be praying that we survive by other teams not getting enough points to overtake us. That's our only hope cos we having got a win in us.

No he won't, he'd have made himself look ridiculous if he'd sacked him 10 games ago. We were mid table then, absolutely ZERO justification for sacking him at that time.

It's become obvious during his tenure that Dean Hoyle sacks his managers only when he believes they can no longer meet previously stated expectations. Clearly he still believes Robins can meet his expectations. Also clearly, the run we've been on is below his expectations, but fortunately for us (and Robins) that doesn't automatically equal being sacked.

We basically need to win one of our next four games. There is no reason why that can't happen. No reason at all. Then we can start working on fixing the rot that's clearly been present since Christmas. And if Dean Hoyle still believes in Robins, it will be him doing the job.

I don't need him to put that in the Examiner.

[rocky]

Apr 15, 2014 13:30:52 GMT 1 @sheriffofhudds said:

Apr 15, 2014 12:22:36 GMT 1 andygolcar said:

Any statement from Mr Hoyle can only undermine the manager, hence the silence.

Was going to say the exact same thing myself, doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
If anything, the silence shows that there is still solidarity amongst MR and the Directors.

Completely agree.

It's impossible for DH to give the OP what he wants at this critical stage of the season. Also his statement - 'We get MR's policy/DNA drivel every week' gives a bit of a clue as to where he's coming from!

[impact]

When he spoke out after the Oldham game a few years back he was widely criticised, and more than likely led to Blackie leaving. Similarly when he went into the changing room after the Carlisle game (I think) he got in the manager's way.

He's learned to leave the manager to do his job, speaking out or interfering doesn't help anyone. He's open enough at q and a sessions, I don't see how a statement can possibly help.

[Deleted]

Apr 15, 2014 14:06:57 GMT 1 5kippy said:

Apr 15, 2014 13:33:28 GMT 1 @sheriffofhudds said:

Sorry, you have to be part of the super secret clique to know that info.

Don't know you Sheriff. But I know Pete and he's never cliqued yet.

However I may have met you!

That's the thing though, the super secret squirrel clique, is soooo super secret squirrel, that even the people who are in it, don't know they're in it!

[galpharm2400]

if he isn't changing the manager, there isn't much to say. As of the last two defeats we don't know which division we will be in yet so any statements made about players, transfers etc would be daft..

best news dean could get today is Charlton 0 Barnsley 1...

[deo1]

If he sacks him now then Hoyle will be labelled as being a hiring and firing chairman who panicks when things start getting tough. I'm not happy with how the season has finished and how we're playing at the moment but Hoyle doesn't have to say anything as performances and results will have more effect than words can ever say.

We're trying to build a team which comfortably can hold their own in the Championship and hopefully kick on into the Premiership. If we keep hiring and firing managers then we'll never get a settled side or club as new managers will want to bring in their own type of players all of the time. I think it's good of him to keep quiet and behind closed doors have a conversation with Robins about how and why the season has fizzled out and keep it out of the public domain.

[5kippy]

Apr 15, 2014 12:22:36 GMT 1 andygolcar said:

Any statement from Mr Hoyle can only undermine the manager, hence the silence.

Is that true?

Surely as the "Boss" of Town he is the one that the "Customers" (us fans) listen to the most. Why, because in the past he has earned our trust. He is also the one that knows the most about how our club is functioning - long term plans/immediate plans/goals etc. He is the only one that can make the decisions that steer us in the right direction.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not just talking about sacking someone I am talking about any change he feels is right to keep us on track with the plan.

He may be doing this, I don't know, but that is my point. As Customers we are not being told how we are going (to plan). We can all see where we are and some, if not most, of us are worried. So where is the calming voice from Dean saying "It's okay I am doing everthing that is required to keep us on track, we will be okay"?

To me silence is not the answer to help allay your customer's fears.

Dean (The Businessman) needs to start treating HTAFC like a proper business and start addressing his customer's needs.

[Ben Thornley's sandals]

Apr 15, 2014 14:01:12 GMT 1 joehappy said:

Dean Hoyle will be regretting not sacking MR about 10 games ago I'm sure. But I'm not now is the right time to sack him. I remember Gerry Murphy taking over near the end of the season, had a few good results and then was given the job of dishing out contracts and proceeded in handing 5 year contracts to about 5 of his youngsters who were never good enough and have played most of there football in the bottom division. At least MR now knows what a pile of xxxx we have and he can get rid when the season is over. So Dean Hoyle like us will be praying that we survive by other teams not getting enough points to overtake us. That's our only hope cos we having got a win in us.

10 games ago we beat Barnsley 5-0.

[seanyd1brit]

Apr 15, 2014 14:31:56 GMT 1 5kippy said:

Apr 15, 2014 12:22:36 GMT 1 andygolcar said:

Any statement from Mr Hoyle can only undermine the manager, hence the silence.

Is that true?

Surely as the "Boss" of Town he is the one that the "Customers" (us fans) listen to the most. Why, because in the past he has earned our trust. He is also the one that knows the most about how our club is functioning - long term plans/immediate plans/goals etc. He is the only one that can make the decisions that steer us in the right direction.

Now don't get me wrong, I am not just talking about sacking someone I am talking about any change he feels is right to keep us on track with the plan.

He may be doing this, I don't know, but that is my point. As Customers we are not being told how we are going (to plan). We can all see where we are and some, if not most, of us are worried. So where is the calming voice from Dean saying "It's okay I am doing everthing that is required to keep us on track, we will be okay"?

To me silence is not the answer to help allay your customer's fears.

Dean (The Businessman) needs to start treating HTAFC like a proper business and start addressing his customer's needs.

First of all, football is not like other businesses, and if you treat it like any other business you're missing a trick. There are many unique variables in football that simply don't exist in a business that sells widgets or services.

But even if that wasn't the case, your case has a massive hole in it. The closest analogy I can think of is a company that sells a particular product. Some weeks sales will be good. Some weeks sales will be bad. The CEO doesn't make a statement every week that sales are bad, nor would you expect them to. They let their team get on with fixing the problem.

Dean Hoyle has spoken publicly only a few weeks ago at the fans forum with Robins. At that time, everything was rosy, we all believed our club was in the best possible hands. Things have not gone well since, granted, but people have really, REALLY short memories.

And that, simply, is not Dean's problem to worry about.