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Post by Syran on Apr 17, 2014 11:20:20 GMT 1
When did it start?
How far are we into it?
Was it at the start of Robins' tenure or when we were first promoted?
Just wondered...
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 17, 2014 11:44:50 GMT 1
Year 2 next season.
Batman wants to have good defence and more pace in midfield and more than one strilker to rely on.
Think year 3 might be to dare to get in play offs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 11:55:07 GMT 1
Year one seems to be, do worse than last season.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Apr 17, 2014 12:12:20 GMT 1
Year one seems to be, do worse than last season. Year one was to change the style of football, and to not get relegated with the squad we had. Year two is to bring in some better quality players who are more suited to the style of football that we wish to play. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:10:06 GMT 1
Not convinced under Robins that it is achievable ? Maybe under another manager it would ? Problem is who ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:17:46 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:20:02 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:21:03 GMT 1
At the moment, I don't think it any thing more than an insurance policy or an excuse to give the fans when we are doing shite. "Don't worry its all part of the 5 year plan....stick with us.....we will come good..."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:28:19 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:33:29 GMT 1
it always starts next season
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Post by benhomly on Apr 17, 2014 13:36:01 GMT 1
It's a bit like that road sign coming down from Grange Moor into Lepton - '75 casualties in 5 years'
Well it's been up about 3 years and nothing has improved - it's still 75 casualties in 5 years!
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 17, 2014 13:37:20 GMT 1
Year one was to survive
Year two is to stabilise - while at the same time reducing the wage bill by 15%-20% to fit with FFP (or would fans be happy with a 15-20% ticket price increase?) Secondary objective to bring through a couple of players (Smith, Holmes)
Year three will be progress toward midtable and bring through a few more players, move on some of the deadwood (a lot inherited some of MR’s creation, Stead, Pato). Replace with players with a “winning mentality” and more personal pride rather than a “doing just enough” mindset
Year four and five keep trying to progress and continue to compete at this level. Hopefully we’ll end with a team who were developed by Huddersfield, have an affinity with the club (not just a place they commute for work) and who’ve grown up with a winning mentality in the youth divisions buying into a style of play (see Swansea)
Alternative plan. Sack a manager every 12 months costing £100k’s each time – maybe drop lucky or not and get a poor manager who takes us backwards. At the same time wonder why managers like Grayson have success (again) while a new man struggles to instil pride into the same players who lets not forget got whipped numerous times last season in many games (personal pride?)
I think MR has found out a lot about his squad in the last few weeks and I expect to see some of the wrong uns (under contract) moved on
We are a small team at this level. I have no expectations that we should be challenging for the play offs, if we do one season great (would be an unexpected bonus). Maybe in a few years if some of the kids progress well, we sign a few more Nakhi Wells types and have a bit of luck with injuries to key players (a lot left to chance!)
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Post by benhomly on Apr 17, 2014 13:52:28 GMT 1
We are a small team at this level. I have no expectations that we should be challenging for the play offs, if we do one season great (would be an unexpected bonus). Maybe in a few years if some of the kids progress well, we sign a few more Nakhi Wells types and have a bit of luck with injuries to key players (a lot left to chance!) I always rise to this one, don't know why but here goes. The Premier League is full of teams who are small for that level - there's about 10 of them! And don't forget those who have had a spell in there as well - the list is huge, many of whom are 'smaller' than us. The way you talk what have we got to look forward to? Oh, some time in the next 10 years we might just challenge for the play offs. Wow - we might as well just pack in now, what's the point? Years and years of struggle in The Championship watching the kind of crap we've had to put up with these last 2 seasons. Doesn't float my boat i'm afraid. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:56:52 GMT 1
Completely agree with the last post. I wasn't having a go at Robins. My point is we seem to have gone backwards since sacking Grayson. and would probably go backwards again sacking Robins. Hopefully next season we'll see some proper progress not just passing it a little bit better. An increased points tally would be nice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:58:33 GMT 1
Sorry, I mean I agree with the last but one post. (Hudds terrier)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 14:01:02 GMT 1
Year 1. Sack Lee Clark, employ Simon Grayson.
Year 2. Sack Simon Grayson, employ Mark Robins
Year 3. Sack Mark Robins, employ Glenn Hoddle
Year 4. Sack Glenn Hoddle, employ Roberto Martinez.
Year 5. Sack Roberto Martinez, employ Stan Ternant.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Apr 17, 2014 14:01:39 GMT 1
If Fulham can bloody do it so can we!
I too don't believe MR is the man to take us forward - but who else could we get? Sack him and Gary Megson could be watching our games again, so we must be careful what we wish for. I would love to see us get a someone in who has been there and done it in the premiership and who has has a stint of managing in it aswell, thus creating mutual respect from your players who they will want to put a shift in for. But who would want to come? Mackay? Doubt it!
Another inept performance tomorrow and 0 point at Yeovil and my arse will be twitching big time!
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Apr 17, 2014 14:07:10 GMT 1
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 17, 2014 14:10:11 GMT 1
>If Fulham can bloody do it so can we!<
That's an interesting one. Fulham's rise back up the league was based on a brilliant passing football game - just around the time we flogged our best player!
5 Year Plan - if it was my brass I'd want a 5 Year Plan.
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Post by Floyds on Apr 17, 2014 14:18:19 GMT 1
The 5 year plan of Hudds Terriers is the least inspiring thing I've seen in a long time!
Years 4 and 5, compete at this level.
Christ, we're not playing in the European Super League.
Surely we need to be more ambitious than that?
Develop young players into the first 11, improve our attendances x%, have the odd foray beyond the 4th round of a cup competition, challenge at the right end of the league, improve our standing in the game (through style of play, league position, reputation) etc etc
Consistency of Management is fine, if it's the right Management.
Guess it'll come down to how long DH will allow the attendances to fall as people vote with their feet following the dismal performances over the last few months.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 14:21:51 GMT 1
Is the squad better than last year? I'd say so. Add a year's further development for the development lads and those we can ship out at the end of contracts in June and we are far better off.
Has the wage bill got better? Pretty sure I read it was down quite abut this year from last.
Have we progressed off the field? Canalside, shares returned, club 'business' growing. Definite yes.
Has the culture changed? Hard to tell but moving out the likes of Lee and Stead, a system trying to play football and a desire to be less agricultural appears so. Also, a dependence to get the best from what we have (no laughing) rather than a continuous transience in playing staff has changed the culture of rash buying we 'enjoyed' in the past 5 years.
I'm not going to lie, the last 3 months have been below par but I'd say definite progress is being made.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Apr 17, 2014 14:32:01 GMT 1
Plans are nothing, planning is everything.
Remember when Davy kept telling us he'd have us in the top 30 by 2008 ?
Still not achieved that one even today!
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Post by AndySk on Apr 17, 2014 14:53:51 GMT 1
Its a right load of bollocks when clubs come out with this '5 year plan' shite. Just do your best every season, see where it takes you. What happens if we dont get to the prem within the 5 years, will we give up and fold. What if we get the chance to go up in 4 years, will we not bother as its too soon. Load of bollocks
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 17, 2014 15:11:35 GMT 1
get rid of this, bring in quality that whilst reducing wages bills to so much etc etc etc..
5 year plan could conceivably come down to 90 minutes already ...
the planning for years down the line in football takes away the required focus for today..
everyone uses Swansea as an example..their wage bill rose considerably season on season as they "progressed"..lets be honest here, everyone who "progresses" spends more not less...
Burnley will have a whacking great wage bill next season and I guarantee you its cost them much more this season than last..
yes you can do it on the relatively cheap, but its relative to what others are spending, not on what you have spent up till then.
changing the "style" is the emperors new clothes for me.. we play a bit now and again, but we always did.. our long ball, hoofball if you like was more effective than it is now, because we still play a good deal of long stuff but its poor and badly targeted and we don't have anyone up there who can deal with it.. The idea we play a lot more "football" than before is a misuse of the idea/phrase, passing short under no pressure in your own half going nowhere is not "football, total football or anything else" its just useless possession.
pretending you are so smart and so knowledgeable about the "game" that you can easily see the massive improvement and see where the "maestro" is taking us in about 5 years isn't fooling anyone, anymore. We got more points last year and we had more fight last year, all that has happened is we are still pretty easy to negate/beat. we don't put up anything like the struggle we did towards the end of last year, we have players who haven't bought into the new way at all and some who love the idea that you can pass every week, all game and not bother covering a blade of grass whilst looking terribly inept and downright daft some weeks.
you and I know we will try and bring in some players and shed what we can but its gonna be about budgets more than quality and who in their right minds wants to come here and work their arse off covering for players who wont run or work hard enough? Hogg did but you cant fool all of the agents all the time..
I don't know who starts the rumours about 3/4 quality players every other week but look at the facts and consider our appeal to players/agents at the moment. We have dean hoyle and a good training facility, a quality striker(sometimes not often) a striker with some promise(who looks more pissed off week by week) and some good kids(maybe but not yet and maybe not ever) and a reducing wages budget... we have a plan and some ideas for the future but ffs so has everyone else, even those that get the ball forward with a purpose and with some guts and legs behind it..
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Post by Floyds on Apr 17, 2014 15:11:57 GMT 1
I do wonder how many other clubs at our level have "blue prints", "5 year plans", "DNA" (in respect of playing style).
We overcomplicate a lot of the things we do.
Tactics, formations, styles of play, all that mentioned above.
Just get 11 players to work hard, get themselves fit and put 100% in every game.
Surely not too much to ask, even in this modern era.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Apr 17, 2014 15:19:20 GMT 1
I do wonder how many other clubs at our level have "blue prints", "5 year plans", "DNA" (in respect of playing style). We overcomplicate a lot of the things we do. Tactics, formations, styles of play, all that mentioned above. Just get 11 players to work hard, get themselves fit and put 100% in every game.Surely not too much to ask, even in this modern era. This. Seems to be working well for Ipswich. |
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Post by claytonwestblue on Apr 17, 2014 15:41:04 GMT 1
Love MR best quote this is the DNA of our football club DONT NO. ANYTHING best get it right Friday Robins lots of season cards to renew yet
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 17, 2014 16:15:28 GMT 1
I do wonder how many other clubs at our level have "blue prints", "5 year plans", "DNA" (in respect of playing style). We overcomplicate a lot of the things we do. Tactics, formations, styles of play, all that mentioned above. Just get 11 players to work hard, get themselves fit and put 100% in every game.Surely not too much to ask, even in this modern era. This. Seems to be working well for Ipswich. I wonder if its an age thing being - well at least over 50. I'm not really interested in watching us pursue doing the working hard putting in 100% every game for the next 10 years philosophy - I've seen it all before and its a description I've heard emerge from the lips of just about every manager we have had for the last 50+ years(I see that as a minimum requirement anyway from a bunch of professionals). At half time at their place we were all over Ipswich and playing such brilliant football. If our 5y plan is targeted at playing that week in week out - its a good one - and something we have not really tried for the last 50+ years I have been watching. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 17, 2014 16:31:35 GMT 1
I think that plan is realistic for a team with the 6th lowest attendance in the division (http://espnfc.com/stats/attendance/_/league/eng.2/english-league-championship?cc=5739 ) despite some of the cheapest tickets (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24014727 )
Throw in we don’t have £60m of parachute payments (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22171365 ) so just why do people think we should be top 6?
Scratching my heads as to why one of the poorest supported teams with some of the smallest revenues in the league should be EXPECTED by some to mix it in the top 6 with teams whose wage bill alone is 4 times ours and get double the attendances
Comparisons with Fulham who spent £20m on transfers, god knows how much on wages and appointed a high profile expensive manager are fanciful.
Equally fanciful is talk of Malky MacKay or similar highly regarded managers. Such is our stock the last time we were searching for a manager one “candidate” thought he could be given it without even interview – how contemptible is that!
Luckily there are examples like Blackpool and Burnley to give hope – but if you genuinely expect us to be in the top 6 … well you’re just setting yourself for disappointment I’m afraid. Dream ... absolutely, I will be as well but I don't expect it to be honest
If the dream happens I’ll be delighted as any other fan, but equally if we’re finishing midtable in couple of seasons time I won’t be calling it a failure!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 17, 2014 17:09:59 GMT 1
we have played some good stuff in periods of games no doubt. It rarely lasted long enough and hasn't regularly given us the returns.
Im all for planning to alter the style and the ethos of a football team but it clearly depends on the squad at your disposal and the other "qualities" that your technically better players have. Its become clear that the better ball players have serious problems with the work rate required and keeping the ball really does depend on the majority of the team being able to "take part" in a meaningfull way in ball retention. Again its become clear that we are passing it until someone inevitably loses it, usually far too deep in our own half. Robins must be aware that he hasn't got enough players on the pitch at any one time to play this way and to keep persevering with it. Some of the ball retention we have is almost laughable and looks very odd indeed and leads to losing it without any opposition being anywhere near the ball?
I hoped he would just simply work on getting the ball to halfway as quick as possible and then play from there, it just hasn't materialised and to continually watch us struggle slowly in our own half has been depressing to say the least.
Lets be honest here a lot of the games have been pass, pass, pass slowly, sideways, backwards followed by a bit of a punt and as the game has gone on its deteriorated even further and ended up being a pass just to get rid of it to someone else, anyone else or just a bit of a punt to get shut.
We lack the movement and the work rate and at least a couple more players on the pitch who "want" the ball and want to move it quickly or run with it in the middle areas.. He appears to have started from scratch with the wrong squad , clearly a very difficult if not impossible thing to do. Im still not sure he is at the right club financially to achieve his ambition but sticking to a dogma with the wrong players wont help.
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