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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Apr 27, 2014 14:48:15 GMT 1
Commentator on RL "Someone needs to have a word with Holmes. He doesn't find space when running off the ball. Should hang back and not always run into their box and into their defenders." Or words to that effect. Watching on stream his advice seemed correct. Whatever , then someone else would be bemoaning the fact that we dont get enough players in the box
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Post by terracesider on Apr 27, 2014 19:53:16 GMT 1
Another great hope - young Mr. Holmes... In his several "cameo roles" he has shown nowt to match that highly promising run and through ball to set up Vaughan for the goal against Blackpool on his first appearance in the autumn. He produces one or two jinky little runs before running out of steam trying to beat the third man and is pushed off the ball more often than Danny Schofield used to be.
Lot of steak dinners and a couple of hundred hours in the gym before August, and, it might not be a bad idea to have him do a job in the real World for a couple of weeks (getting up at 6 - 30 to hump boxes for eight hours ought to just do the trick!) to increase his mental fortitude.
Then; we MIGHT have a player sometime before he reaches the age of 25...
Good luck to the lad.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 19:56:07 GMT 1
Commentator on RL "Someone needs to have a word with Holmes. He doesn't find space when running off the ball. Should hang back and not always run into their box and into their defenders." Or words to that effect. Watching on stream his advice seemed correct. Whatever , then someone else would be bemoaning the fact that we dont get enough players in the box "Whatever"? Are you my 13 year old grand-daughter?
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 22, 2014 11:28:20 GMT 1
Hopefully today will have taken some of the pressure off young Duane - there's been a lot of talk about why isn't he starting etc but unfortunately today he was a passenger for the time he was on the pitch. He looked at times like a little boy lost. I was never a great Taylor-Fletcher fan but I thought today he showed Duane how it should be done, even though he looked muscle-bound and massively overweight ! I was delighted when Holmes made the first of his many short cameos a few months ago but surely today shows that it would be a hell of a risk to rely on him next season. I actually have high hopes for him if he achieves his potential but possibly a few months out on loan next season will toughen him up, assuming his attitude is better than it was at Yeovil.He's a young, inexperienced player who needs to learn how to use the skill that he has. At the moment he's just a bit too lightweight and ineffective for Championship football. I guess we could all speculate about whether a MOM performance from him last night puts more pressure on to perform, or takes it off because he has proved he can do it? As has been posted before, he has a super opportunity now, if he is good enough, to prove that he is much more that the footballing equivalent of a "flat track bully" i.e. he performs against lesser side, but cannot step up to Championship level. I REALLY hope he repeats this type of performance (when given the chance)from August 9th onwards.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 22, 2014 14:39:22 GMT 1
One or even the best young prospects ive seen in my 52 years following the club and with experience Holmes could eventually be sold on for a club record transfer fee.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 14:41:36 GMT 1
I think people think holmes is younger that he is. His lack of physical development will be his ultimate downfall.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 22, 2014 14:54:13 GMT 1
One or even the best young prospects ive seen in my 52 years following the club and with experience Holmes could eventually be sold on for a club record transfer fee. He has a loooooooong way to go yet - I am sure we al wish him well, but he has to work out how he is going to deal with the physical side of the game at what, for him at this stage, is a higher level of game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 14:58:48 GMT 1
One or even the best young prospects ive seen in my 52 years following the club and with experience Holmes could eventually be sold on for a club record transfer fee. He has a loooooooong way to go yet - I am sure we al wish him well, but he has to work out how he is going to deal with the physical side of the game at what, for him at this stage, is a higher level of game. there isnt a physical side of the game anymore,all he as to do is fall over,free kicks a plenty and cards
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 15:02:30 GMT 1
I think people think holmes is younger that he is. His lack of physical development will be his ultimate downfall. yes you have to be over 6 foot and built like a brick shithouse to be a footballer,ask Messi and that little frog valbuena,, football isnt full of hard men anymore,
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Post by philincalifornia on Jul 22, 2014 15:03:17 GMT 1
He's taller and heavier than Juninho Paulista who, as I recall, had a decent career.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 22, 2014 15:07:36 GMT 1
He has a loooooooong way to go yet - I am sure we al wish him well, but he has to work out how he is going to deal with the physical side of the game at what, for him at this stage, is a higher level of game. there isnt a physical side of the game anymore,all he as to do is fall over,free kicks a plenty and cards An interesting view, but my recollection (after the excitement of his introduction) is of him being easily muscled off the ball. Far too easily, in fact. As I stated above - "he has to work out how he is going to deal with the physical side of the game" if that means "falling over, sobeit, but there are other, better ways of doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 15:08:42 GMT 1
I think people think holmes is younger that he is. His lack of physical development will be his ultimate downfall. yes you have to be over 6 foot and built like a brick shithouse to be a footballer,ask Messi and that little frog valbuena,, football isnt full of hard men anymore, Not many really little ones have made it in the English game. Many times more big uns carve a career out than an equivalent number of dwarfs.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 22, 2014 15:09:23 GMT 1
He's taller and heavier than Juninho Paulista who, as I recall, had a decent career. He did, which proves it can be done, but Holmes is not (not yet, anyway) any Juninho.
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Post by townatheart on Jul 22, 2014 15:15:43 GMT 1
One or even the best young prospects ive seen in my 52 years following the club and with experience Holmes could eventually be sold on for a club record transfer fee. 'should have gone to specsavers' sorry, couldn't resist, but then, that is a rather bold statement, which, while as others have said, I wish him well, and have some hopes for how he may develop, just do not quite see this level in the lad from the bits of play I have seen of him to date. My perfence is to be wrong, and then I will take myself down to the opticians
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Post by ritchie on Jul 22, 2014 16:06:05 GMT 1
he's taller than mata, sterling and same size as kagawa who play similar roles. i dont think it's as important in todays game, especially for a player like that whos role is a roaming one, passing and exploiting space. defence, DM and striker is obviously more important as you have to win your battles.
as has been discussed many times before about duane, he's not that easily knocked off the ball - and despite what someone has said, he'll still have developing to do physically.
IF he has the talent to play in the PL, his size won't be an issue IMO.
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Post by deadleg on Jul 22, 2014 17:09:22 GMT 1
Jack Wilshere gets muscled off the ball constantly but I'd still have him here. Size isn't so much of an issue if you've got the intelligence to find space, know when to pass etc. etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 17:24:06 GMT 1
Class act, simple as
Those who can't see it are probably the same ones who thought Jim Goodwin was a good player
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Post by efesodje23 on Jul 22, 2014 17:42:34 GMT 1
Class act, simple as Those who can't see it are probably the same ones who thought Jim Goodwin was a good player Jim Goodwin was a good player. Fact.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 22, 2014 20:47:17 GMT 1
Most of you think young duane needs to put a bit of muscle on and surely thats why Dean invested multi millions in the canalside project or has he turned it into a bowling green. Get the lad down to piggy woods the butchers in Mirfield and fill him up with the best rump steak with the odd pint of guiness thrown in then put him on the weights.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 21:04:19 GMT 1
Class act, simple as Those who can't see it are probably the same ones who thought Jim Goodwin was a good player Yup. This country's football fans have an unhealthy obsession with wanting players to "bulk up" or referring to them as "lightweight". If Duane uses his body and the ball well enough, he'll draw a foul every time. Obviously you don't want him marking someone like Vaughan, Ulloa or Matt Smith on a corner though..
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Post by JollyGreenGiant on Jul 22, 2014 21:15:02 GMT 1
Bobby Collins, Billy Bremner both were arguably good footballers (even though I hated BB) and both midgets. Duane has more skill than either and they played when clogging was allowed
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Post by einediemengedochsen on Jul 22, 2014 21:49:03 GMT 1
He might lose some of his technique if he turns into a brick sh**house. Denis Law was a bit skinny but did alright. (Although wasn't he put on a diet of fish and chips or summat or was that Alf Tupper?)
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 22, 2014 21:57:11 GMT 1
Class act, simple as Those who can't see it are probably the same ones who thought Jim Goodwin was a good player Yup. This country's football fans have an unhealthy obsession with wanting players to "bulk up" or referring to them as "lightweight". If Duane uses his body and the ball well enough, he'll draw a foul every time. Obviously you don't want him marking someone like Vaughan, Ulloa or Matt Smith on a corner though.. For good reason. We already have a lightweight midfield. We are not bad on the ball individually or as a collective midfield - but when we don't have the ball we don't work hard enough and are not strong enough compared to the top half teams in the division imho - Dwayne hardly enhances us in this important department.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 22, 2014 21:57:56 GMT 1
Holmes' problem is that if he doesn't track back, put tackles or is easily knocked off the ball then people say he's not good enough or too lightweight. Players like him are at their most deadly in the final third and with a bit more confidence and belief in his own ability Holmes could be a real gem. We need the manager and just as importantly the fans to have faith in him.
I think Holmes & Lolley could be fighting for one place this year but what exciting prospects they both are.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 22:07:04 GMT 1
Yup. This country's football fans have an unhealthy obsession with wanting players to "bulk up" or referring to them as "lightweight". If Duane uses his body and the ball well enough, he'll draw a foul every time. Obviously you don't want him marking someone like Vaughan, Ulloa or Matt Smith on a corner though.. For good reason. We already have a lightweight midfield. We are not bad on the ball individually or as a collective midfield - but when we don't have the ball we don't work hard enough and are not strong enough compared to the top half teams in the division imho - Dwayne hardly enhances us in this important department. I meant from an individual POV rather than a team dynamic. You couldn't have 11 Duane's, but alternatively, you shouldn't have 11 Jonathan Hogg's either, but in this country we're more likely to lean towards the team of Hoggs and appreciate them for some reason. That was more the point.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 22, 2014 22:09:21 GMT 1
Holmes' problem is that if he doesn't track back, put tackles or is easily knocked off the ball then people say he's not good enough or too lightweight. Players like him are at their most deadly in the final third and with a bit more confidence and belief in his own ability Holmes could be a real gem. We need the manager and just as importantly the fans to have faith in him. e looks like? I think Holmes & Lolley could be fighting for one place this year but what exciting prospects they both are. I suppose there is a decent argument to be made around this, but the other part of the deal is - if he fails to track back, doesn't tackle, gets knocked off the ball too easily, then, THEN he has to be some kind of player in the final third and really has to make a difference. While we have seen flashes, we await the consistency that a regular first team player would need - but as you say, he has to be given the chance. I wonder what an acceptable chance looks like?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 22, 2014 22:47:21 GMT 1
Looking forward to seeing how this lad progresses this season & beyond.. There's no doubting his technical ability on the ball, with his low centre of gravity & pace he scares the life out of defenders with his direct running & skill.. Time will tell if he continues to develop the way we all hope, but, size apart, he has the attributes to fulfil his potential.. Lil' Duane could be MASSIVE for us!
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Post by yoy on Jul 23, 2014 0:15:34 GMT 1
Our midfield has desperately needed someone who can move with the ball. Too often we struggle to advance it because we don't move the opposition around enough to create space. They can just sit back and wait for the inevitable mistake. They can't sit back with Duane playing because he will take the invitation of moving into that space.
Size... Naturally if he were able to retain all his current attributes, grow a foot and get much stronger then he'd be a better player. But I think it's wrong to ignore what he can offer just because of what he can't. He's well balanced and not that easy to knock off the ball once he's moving.
That said - I do still think that he's better coming on when a game is stretched and there's a lot more space for him to run into.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Jul 23, 2014 0:28:07 GMT 1
he has shown against weaker opposition and at youth level what he can do, I think we should loan him to league 1 this season then the season after will be his big chance for us, he definitely wont start most games so we might as well get him as much experience and game time as possible in league 1 and tbh he would be a good signing for anyone in league 1.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 23, 2014 0:37:54 GMT 1
For good reason. We already have a lightweight midfield. We are not bad on the ball individually or as a collective midfield - but when we don't have the ball we don't work hard enough and are not strong enough compared to the top half teams in the division imho - Dwayne hardly enhances us in this important department. I meant from an individual POV rather than a team dynamic. You couldn't have 11 Duane's, but alternatively, you shouldn't have 11 Jonathan Hogg's either, but in this country we're more likely to lean towards the team of Hoggs and appreciate them for some reason. That was more the point. I agree - its a team game. Holmes could be accommodated but I can't see it being easy for him with the balance of midfield players we have. He is very talented. For him to hold down a regular place he is going to have to be exceptionally talented to compensate for his physical weakness. I can't quite see/name many players of his type thriving at high level (say above Div 1). Previous comparisons with Bremner/Collins etc on comparative smallness are ludicrous. I guess someone like Modric is the role model for him? Hope he becomes a great player for us though.
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