North Stand Loyal Scarves - ON SALE NOW

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Scarves on now on sale folks - follow the link and lets have a swirling sea of blue and white euphoria when we beat Bournemouth



North Stand Loyal Scarves




Just added a poll to this to try and get a feel for demand.

I've added the option of buying more than 1, as in my case, I'd buy 1 for me and 1 for the lad. If this is you, perhaps you can state how many you'd take.

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Been doing a bit of pricing up for some North Stand Loyal scarves. The prices have come back favourable, but obviously this is offset by requiring a large batch to be ordered - 300 in this case.

I'm just trying to gauge interest to see if this is something worth pursuing as we develop the North Stand.

Personally, I think we need to do something other than just putting flags out on the empty seats, whether it be scarves or wavy flags, the problem with wavy flags is they aren't supposed to be waved during the games.

There are various ways we could price the scarves, or we could see if we could get the club to buy them and let them take the profit (assuming enough sell).

Thoughts?

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Also,

There is an option to purchase 100, but the price per unit is much more expensive.

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Are they fire retardant?

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Jun 3, 2014 16:41:35 GMT 1 Galpharmer said:

Are they fire retardant?

No but they are retard retardant.

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May be worth enquiring with the folk involved in the "Lime Green Protest" as to how their numbers worked...I vaguely recall some local business supported the funding to an extent, but I may be mistaken??

Make sure the scarfs are longer than the lime green ones though...they were uselessly short!

In fact...maybe approach HTSA to secure some funding for such a venture?? It all went quiet, but there was something like £50k left banked, of money we as fans had put in to help safeguard the club. I'm sure a business case with HTSA contributing some initial matched funding for a share in future profits on the scarfs would be looked at favourably??

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Decent idea getting HTSA involved, I was thinking that in order to encourage sales, we could look at donating £1 from each sold to the Foundation which would open up interest from all town fans.

If we sold all 300 at a fiver each, even donating a pound to the foundation, we'd still end up in profit on the initial purchase cost.

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My gran taught me how to knit about 30 years ago, never done it since but it can't be that hard. 300 you say?

Don't mention the HTSA money either.

[slackjaw]

Why not get some in the away colours(assuming it's black and red) would perhaps get people talking why the scarves are different.It seemed to work for the shares thing by bringing it to people's attention and Man Utd did something similar with the green and yellow.
Or go with the first colours Town wore,i think they were black and white? although that would look like Newcastle!!

[scoffsablue]

Jun 3, 2014 16:37:12 GMT 1 @billynomates said:

Been doing a bit of pricing up for some North Stand Loyal scarves. The prices have come back favourable, but obviously this is offset by requiring a large batch to be ordered - 300 in this case.

I'm just trying to gauge interest to see if this is something worth pursuing as we develop the North Stand.

Personally, I think we need to do something other than just putting flags out on the empty seats, whether it be scarves or wavy flags, the problem with wavy flags is they aren't supposed to be waved during the games.

There are various ways we could price the scarves, or we could see if we could get the club to buy them and let them take the profit (assuming enough sell).

Thoughts?

Looks great mate....Get a 'would you buy one' poll going....I'l have 1 for starters.

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Jun 3, 2014 16:50:19 GMT 1 @billynomates said:

Jun 3, 2014 16:41:35 GMT 1 Galpharmer said:

Are they fire retardant?

No but they are retard retardant.

does that mean there suitable for us or not?

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I see what you didn't there..

[Cole]

Could you not write something in the middle of the scarves? like 'NSL' on one side and '12th man' on the other?

[BoltonTerrier]

Jun 3, 2014 16:37:12 GMT 1 @billynomates said:

Been doing a bit of pricing up for some North Stand Loyal scarves. The prices have come back favourable, but obviously this is offset by requiring a large batch to be ordered - 300 in this case.

I'm just trying to gauge interest to see if this is something worth pursuing as we develop the North Stand.

Personally, I think we need to do something other than just putting flags out on the empty seats, whether it be scarves or wavy flags, the problem with wavy flags is they aren't supposed to be waved during the games.

There are various ways we could price the scarves, or we could see if we could get the club to buy them and let them take the profit (assuming enough sell).

Thoughts?

Is that an 8 bit design?

I take it the is not gonna actually look like that? How much we looking at for 300? I think we'd be going some to shift that many mate...

[ShortbreadPete]

Or we all hate Leeds scum on one side and yer mum's yer dad on the other?

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Might be going against the masses here but I would like to see a PLAIN bar , no logo. That would sell to the whole fan base. We are massively narrowing our angles if we put the logo on. This should always be a money maker to put back in to the pot.

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Jun 3, 2014 20:03:39 GMT 1 @stufoster said:

Might be going against the masses here but I would like to see a PLAIN bar , no logo. That would sell to the whole fan base. We are massively narrowing our angles if we put the logo on. This should always be a money maker to put back in to the pot.

Is it supposed to be / is there a need for it to be a money maker, or is it a "lets get a high penetration of scarfs in the FM Lower because a lot of scarfs being spun in the air looks quite impressive, and the North Stand Loyal thing is all about improving the atmosphere" ?



A non logoed might sell 300 quicker, but theyd be diluted around the ground. Better to do something that people in there are more likely to want to throw a fiver at and create that dense penetration of scarfs. I think. In my opinion.

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PLEASE SOMEONE stop it converting the word to a smiley everytime someone posts the word . In a thread about scarfs, the number of smileys quickly becomes annoying! And i like scarfs normally, so this thread about scarfs attracted me. But now all the smileys are making me want to avoid the thread, which would be a shame as I'd like to keep a close eye on how this idea progresses.

[Sio]

Jun 3, 2014 20:56:26 GMT 1 @fmuk said:

Jun 3, 2014 20:03:39 GMT 1 @stufoster said:

Might be going against the masses here but I would like to see a PLAIN bar , no logo. That would sell to the whole fan base. We are massively narrowing our angles if we put the logo on. This should always be a money maker to put back in to the pot.

Is it supposed to be / is there a need for it to be a money maker, or is it a "lets get a high penetration of scarfs in the FM Lower because a lot of scarfs being spun in the air looks quite impressive, and the North Stand Loyal thing is all about improving the atmosphere" ?



A non logoed might sell 300 quicker, but theyd be diluted around the ground. Better to do something that people in there are more likely to want to throw a fiver at and create that dense penetration of scarfs. I think. In my opinion.

Fair arguments on both sides. I'd perhaps see if we could make the NSL logo smaller and maybe only have it on one side. But I agree with your thinking about trying to concentrate them into one area.

Also, is there any chance we could opt for a lighter blue or is it a selection of basic colours?

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To answer many questions in one go

It is possible to have text added into the middle.

We can remove one of the logos.

The image is to represent the in its knitted format, so the image will be quite blocky.

I will enquire about the price for just a plain bar , I imagine it will be less.

The cost of these scarves is very reasonable, I don't really want to give away the exact cost price on here because if the club decide they want to sell them, then folk might be put off knowing the mark up. As I said earlier, you could sell them at a fiver each, take a pound out for the foundation and still be in profit assuming you clear the 300.

There's a few ways of doing this.

We could buy the scarves from the fund pot, and give them to the inhabitants of the North Stand - the effect on match day would probably be very impressive, but it would be very costly.

We could buy the scarves and sell them ourselves. If we can sell enough then it turns into a money making exercise and the pot is increased.
Could we sell 200 at a fiver a time, that would more or less cover the costs? Sell 300 and theres nearly another £500 back into the pot.
Is there a company out there needing to write off some tax, they could buy them, reclaim the VAT etc, give them to the foundation, and the club push them in the same way they have done with previous shirts etc. Potentially that could raise say £1500 for the foundation ( or any other charity if they wish).
As previously stated, the cub could buy them and sell them keeping any profit for themselves but also taking the liability.

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[Terrierpollz70]

I'd defo have 2, one for me, one for the boy. Voted in the 'I'd buy more than one' category. Cheers

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@billynomates, another way of making this happen rather than just talking about it, might be to force the issue (as kind of happened with the flags and banners) and just go ahead and GET THE MONEY !!

We have the fund collecting device that BoltonTerrier set up, which I think just goes directly to him, so its easy to manipulate the collected money afterwards. So either ask people to use that existing mechanism to pay £5 for a , or set up another fund specifically for payments (assuming its easy to do now he knows what hes doing), find out what the lead time is to have scarfs made up in time for say a week prior to the opening league fixture, then work back from there to give the date when scarfs would need ordering...set that as a deadline by which sufficient funds would need collecting to pay for the manufacture of the scarfs.

I dont know what the numbers stack up as, but for example you might need 170 people paying up, in order to pay for 300 scarfs, they get their scarfs and theres 130 left to sell in the street with no monetary risk involved.

Tricky bits I dont know the answer to are...

1) if insufficient people put the money up speculatively (and no other funding can be found to support the purchase), then how difficult is it to arrange refunds. We dont want BoltonTerrier to be spending 7 hours of his life meticulously chasing payers down so he can refund them...but if the payments are received via Paypal, I'm assuming that its possible to just payback to the source account. Again, I dont know where things stand with any cut that the fund management service (whose name i forget) takes, but I'm sure it could be made clear that if you pay £5, but the scarfs ultimately aren't made, then you might lose 20p or whatever (or that could just be swallowed by the flag surplus slosh? Again, i dont have visibility, but the numbers should be easy to stack).

2) how do you get scarfs to people who have paid for them without incurring postage costs and without people trying to blag them?! Is it possible to send a unique message out to folk who have paid money with the system we have? If so, a unique code could be sent out, and the scarfs collected at a home game with people giving their name and code?

Bobby is good at being empowered and making things happen...I'm sure he'll pick up on this and explain why it wont work or it'll all be sorted in a few days if you bang your heads together on the numbers involved.

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All these scarfs are making me dizzy!

[5kippy]

Jun 3, 2014 21:00:38 GMT 1 Sio said:

Jun 3, 2014 20:56:26 GMT 1 @fmuk said:

Is it supposed to be / is there a need for it to be a money maker, or is it a "lets get a high penetration of scarfs in the FM Lower because a lot of scarfs being spun in the air looks quite impressive, and the North Stand Loyal thing is all about improving the atmosphere" ?



A non logoed might sell 300 quicker, but theyd be diluted around the ground. Better to do something that people in there are more likely to want to throw a fiver at and create that dense penetration of scarfs. I think. In my opinion.

Fair arguments on both sides. I'd perhaps see if we could make the NSL logo smaller and maybe only have it on one side. But I agree with your thinking about trying to concentrate them into one area.

Also, is there any chance we could opt for a lighter blue or is it a selection of basic colours?

Won't that make our fans walk in circles?

[BoltonTerrier]

Jun 3, 2014 23:20:44 GMT 1 @fmuk said:

@billynomates, another way of making this happen rather than just talking about it, might be to force the issue (as kind of happened with the flags and banners) and just go ahead and GET THE MONEY !!

We have the fund collecting device that BoltonTerrier set up, which I think just goes directly to him, so its easy to manipulate the collected money afterwards. So either ask people to use that existing mechanism to pay £5 for a , or set up another fund specifically for payments (assuming its easy to do now he knows what hes doing), find out what the lead time is to have scarfs made up in time for say a week prior to the opening league fixture, then work back from there to give the date when scarfs would need ordering...set that as a deadline by which sufficient funds would need collecting to pay for the manufacture of the scarfs.

I dont know what the numbers stack up as, but for example you might need 170 people paying up, in order to pay for 300 scarfs, they get their scarfs and theres 130 left to sell in the street with no monetary risk involved.

Tricky bits I dont know the answer to are...

1) if insufficient people put the money up speculatively (and no other funding can be found to support the purchase), then how difficult is it to arrange refunds. We dont want BoltonTerrier to be spending 7 hours of his life meticulously chasing payers down so he can refund them...but if the payments are received via Paypal, I'm assuming that its possible to just payback to the source account. Again, I dont know where things stand with any cut that the fund management service (whose name i forget) takes, but I'm sure it could be made clear that if you pay £5, but the scarfs ultimately aren't made, then you might lose 20p or whatever (or that could just be swallowed by the flag surplus slosh? Again, i dont have visibility, but the numbers should be easy to stack).

2) how do you get scarfs to people who have paid for them without incurring postage costs and without people trying to blag them?! Is it possible to send a unique message out to folk who have paid money with the system we have? If so, a unique code could be sent out, and the scarfs collected at a home game with people giving their name and code?

Bobby is good at being empowered and making things happen...I'm sure he'll pick up on this and explain why it wont work or it'll all be sorted in a few days if you bang your heads together on the numbers involved.

Easy enough to set up a £5 donation amount for a . Like you say any refunds could be done but people would definitely lose the fee amount. I think Mel has a cheaper supplier that we're going to trial though..

[corky69]

I think just blue and white ones would be better, without the logo

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Jun 4, 2014 10:27:06 GMT 1 BoltonTerrier said:

Jun 3, 2014 23:20:44 GMT 1 @fmuk said:

@billynomates, another way of making this happen rather than just talking about it, might be to force the issue (as kind of happened with the flags and banners) and just go ahead and GET THE MONEY !!

We have the fund collecting device that BoltonTerrier set up, which I think just goes directly to him, so its easy to manipulate the collected money afterwards. So either ask people to use that existing mechanism to pay £5 for a , or set up another fund specifically for payments (assuming its easy to do now he knows what hes doing), find out what the lead time is to have scarfs made up in time for say a week prior to the opening league fixture, then work back from there to give the date when scarfs would need ordering...set that as a deadline by which sufficient funds would need collecting to pay for the manufacture of the scarfs.

I dont know what the numbers stack up as, but for example you might need 170 people paying up, in order to pay for 300 scarfs, they get their scarfs and theres 130 left to sell in the street with no monetary risk involved.

Tricky bits I dont know the answer to are...

1) if insufficient people put the money up speculatively (and no other funding can be found to support the purchase), then how difficult is it to arrange refunds. We dont want BoltonTerrier to be spending 7 hours of his life meticulously chasing payers down so he can refund them...but if the payments are received via Paypal, I'm assuming that its possible to just payback to the source account. Again, I dont know where things stand with any cut that the fund management service (whose name i forget) takes, but I'm sure it could be made clear that if you pay £5, but the scarfs ultimately aren't made, then you might lose 20p or whatever (or that could just be swallowed by the flag surplus slosh? Again, i dont have visibility, but the numbers should be easy to stack).

2) how do you get scarfs to people who have paid for them without incurring postage costs and without people trying to blag them?! Is it possible to send a unique message out to folk who have paid money with the system we have? If so, a unique code could be sent out, and the scarfs collected at a home game with people giving their name and code?

Bobby is good at being empowered and making things happen...I'm sure he'll pick up on this and explain why it wont work or it'll all be sorted in a few days if you bang your heads together on the numbers involved.

Easy enough to set up a £5 donation amount for a . Like you say any refunds could be done but people would definitely lose the fee amount. I think Mel has a cheaper supplier that we're going to trial though..

The cheaper is looking more favourable at the moment, but, it is a plain bar . The benefit is it can be ordered in any number. Price wise it's not too much different to the one above.
Personally I'd prefer one with the logo on but we have to make sure we aren't stuck with 200 unsold scarves.
I guess over time they will eventually sell anyway. I
On Fmuk's suggestion, I think that could work provided we have say 150 firm orders. We can let this thread run, and maybe share on twitter etc so more fans are made aware of it. There's no immediate rush to make any decision on this.

[togterrier]

I'll have one, although I'll be struggling to join you in the FML I'd guess
I think one with identity would be best.

[scoffsablue]

Jun 4, 2014 14:14:31 GMT 1 togterrier said:

I'll have one, although I'll be struggling to join you in the FML I'd guess
I think one with identity would be best.

Would be nice if you give have a wander over to the NSL before and during half time Paul.....And get a bigger Mic

[joshhtfc98]

i think its a good idea to be honest if we do sell them think they would sell quick too to be honest and i would defo buy more than one !

[joshhtfc98]

also in the middle of the i think that "the terriers" or "terriers" or even north stand loyal may look better written in a gold writing in the middle of the to fill up the spaces ?