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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 14, 2014 18:13:41 GMT 1
Anywhere above last season will represent progress. I know that a lot on here won't agree or be satisfied with that, but we are a small fish in a very big pond and simply cannot compete financially with the really big fish. Of paramount importance is the fact that we MUST stay in this division (I won't add "at all costs"!!)  Why, if you've accepted we can't compete? If we are just going to milling around the bottom of the Championship and be thankful our place in the league, what do think is going to change the longer we stay in this league? Do you mean if we are in the Championship we are more attractive for a takeover? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 18:42:46 GMT 1
Anywhere above last season will represent progress. I know that a lot on here won't agree or be satisfied with that, but we are a small fish in a very big pond and simply cannot compete financially with the really big fish. Of paramount importance is the fact that we MUST stay in this division (I won't add "at all costs"!!) people like you are holding town back |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 14, 2014 18:44:34 GMT 1
Hes accepted we can't compete FINANCIALLY, and hes right.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 14, 2014 18:45:58 GMT 1
Anywhere above last season will represent progress. I know that a lot on here won't agree or be satisfied with that, but we are a small fish in a very big pond and simply cannot compete financially with the really big fish. Of paramount importance is the fact that we MUST stay in this division (I won't add "at all costs"!!) people like you are holding town back People who state 2 blindingly obvious facts are holding the club back?  |
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Post by raggytash on Jul 14, 2014 18:53:42 GMT 1
With no sight of any signings, another struggle is on the cards, if vaughan gets injured, we are fucked. Barnsley were in championship for 8 seasons, each one being a struggle, they didnt invest in decent players, so eventually relegation................ can see us doing the same, but not lasting 8 seasons.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 18:57:56 GMT 1
Anywhere above last season will represent progress. I know that a lot on here won't agree or be satisfied with that, but we are a small fish in a very big pond and simply cannot compete financially with the really big fish. Of paramount importance is the fact that we MUST stay in this division (I won't add "at all costs"!!) people like you are holding town back How exactly am I holding the club back? I started SUPPORTING ie paying cash to see the games in 1968; I have been a season-ticket holder since God knows when (I was back in 1969-70 too but lapsed when we moved to Scarborough and I was too young to drive, being only 13 to 17); I am also a Patron who injects cash into the club quarterly; for a few years I was also paying into the B&W Foundation . I think I have put more cash into the club than some on here. How am I holding the club back?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:04:30 GMT 1
people like you are holding town back People who state 2 blindingly obvious facts are holding the club back? it is not always about cash that makes a club successful and do tell me what makes a club big large attendance or successful history
you old timers are like oliver twist scared to ask for more
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:06:50 GMT 1
people like you are holding town back How exactly am I holding the club back? I started SUPPORTING ie paying cash to see the games in 1968; I have been a season-ticket holder since God knows when (I was back in 1969-70 too but lapsed when we moved to Scarborough and I was too young to drive, being only 13 to 17); I am also a Patron who injects cash into the club quarterly; for a few years I was also paying into the B&W Foundation . I think I have put more cash into the club than some on here. How am I holding the club back? your attitude |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 14, 2014 19:07:06 GMT 1
The meek acceptance that the club cannot compete, whether this is reality or not, that's why people won't watch the club. Fans who are like this are music to clubs ears.
As I've said before, if we cannot compete financially and we want to be Premier League bound, new investment needs to be sought, if it already isn't being sought. All this building slowly is admirable, but, rightly or wrongly, society doesn't wait nor do football fans.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 14, 2014 19:13:24 GMT 1
People who state 2 blindingly obvious facts are holding the club back? it is not always about cash that makes a club successful and do tell me what makes a club big large attendance or successful history
you old timers are like oliver twist scared to ask for more
Cheeky sod Im in me prime! What makes a club big is attendances. Ancient history means sod all. Its not all about cash- there are ways around that disadvantage if you're lucky. None of that alters the fact that the 2 points you highlighted are patently obviously true and you'd have to be an idiot to think they aren't. Saying a fan who makes them is holding the club back is a crock of utter shite. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:14:39 GMT 1
How exactly am I holding the club back? I started SUPPORTING ie paying cash to see the games in 1968; I have been a season-ticket holder since God knows when (I was back in 1969-70 too but lapsed when we moved to Scarborough and I was too young to drive, being only 13 to 17); I am also a Patron who injects cash into the club quarterly; for a few years I was also paying into the B&W Foundation . I think I have put more cash into the club than some on here. How am I holding the club back? your attitude So ... enlighten me ... How exactly does MY (or any fan's) attitude hold back the club? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 14, 2014 19:15:45 GMT 1
The meek acceptance that the club cannot compete, whether this is reality or not, that's why people won't watch the club. Fans who are like this are music to clubs ears. As I've said before, if we cannot compete financially and we want to be Premier League bound, new investment needs to be sought, if it already isn't being sought. All this building slowly is admirable, but, rightly or wrongly, society doesn't wait nor do football fans. Enlightening stuff then. All we need is a big cash injection. Sorted. I'm amazed no one else has thought of that. Empty your bank account and send it in. You owe it to me and all the other Town fans. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 14, 2014 19:22:40 GMT 1
The meek acceptance that the club cannot compete, whether this is reality or not, that's why people won't watch the club. Fans who are like this are music to clubs ears. As I've said before, if we cannot compete financially and we want to be Premier League bound, new investment needs to be sought, if it already isn't being sought. All this building slowly is admirable, but, rightly or wrongly, society doesn't wait nor do football fans. Enlightening stuff then. All we need is a big cash injection. Sorted. I'm amazed no one else has thought of that. Empty your bank account and send it in. You owe it to me and all the other Town fans. Unless it happens, you know as well as I do, we will be a yo yo club struggling to make any headway in this league. We seem to have done it all the wrong way round, the club lavished a load of money on signings in league One, (Lee Clark had free reign with the club cheque book) of which only a couple we managed to make any profit on when selling on. Now when we actually need to lavish money on the playing side, we don't. It seems to me that Town are one of the few clubs that are actually sticking to FPP, where the rest of em are just think 'fuck it' it's worth the risk, rightly or wrongly, I'm willing to bet that the first club to threatened with any kind of sanctions from FPP will take the Football League to court and probably win. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:23:47 GMT 1
If we finish top half we've got to be happy. Above L66ds would be lovely too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:25:15 GMT 1
So ... enlighten me ... How exactly does MY (or any fan's) attitude hold back the club? it creates a bad moral  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:32:51 GMT 1
So ... enlighten me ... How exactly does MY (or any fan's) attitude hold back the club? it creates a bad moral Really? OK. Have it your way ...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:38:52 GMT 1
it is not always about cash that makes a club successful and do tell me what makes a club big large attendance or successful history
you old timers are like oliver twist scared to ask for more
Cheeky sod Im in me prime! What makes a club big is attendances. Ancient history means sod all. Its not all about cash- there are ways around that disadvantage if you're lucky. None of that alters the fact that the 2 points you highlighted are patently obviously true and you'd have to be an idiot to think they aren't. Saying a fan who makes them is holding the club back is a crock of utter shite. Look at how Swansea city did it they are not a big fish
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:49:46 GMT 1
So ... enlighten me ... How exactly does MY (or any fan's) attitude hold back the club? it creates a bad moral 'Moral' or morale? Stick to Fifa 14! |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 14, 2014 19:50:24 GMT 1
Cheeky sod Im in me prime! What makes a club big is attendances. Ancient history means sod all. Its not all about cash- there are ways around that disadvantage if you're lucky. None of that alters the fact that the 2 points you highlighted are patently obviously true and you'd have to be an idiot to think they aren't. Saying a fan who makes them is holding the club back is a crock of utter shite. Look at how Swansea city did it they are not a big fish
Swansea adopted a specific style of play and appointed managers to implement it. If you are paying attention, that's exactly what Town are trying to do. Oh, and it took them about 7 years to get to the top flight. Without debt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:50:52 GMT 1
Just after Christmas last season we were 11th, playing some brilliant football.
We showed we were more than capable (with the crop we had) of competing at this level and pushing on.
Everyone agreed the 2nd half of the season was unacceptable, so if we manage to get the team performing like the first half, which is the level they're clearly capable of...maybe we will make some proper progress we can all agree on.
Remember the positivity around the club first half of the season, imagine what it will be like again with a season's worth of consistency.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 19:52:39 GMT 1
I was leaving that one well alone, Reece, as this one seems to have a bee in his bonnet. Don't think it hadn't crossed my mind and my fingers were twitching as I replied! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 20:00:41 GMT 1
it creates a bad moral 'Moral' or morale? Stick to Fifa 14! fuck me are you auditioning for pantomime season already he's behind you |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 14, 2014 20:06:16 GMT 1
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 14, 2014 20:27:16 GMT 1
Look at how Swansea city did it they are not a big fish
Oh, and it took them about 7 years to get to the top flight. Without debt. Isn't this exactly what Robins and the Board are trying to claim with all this "Pathways" and "Huddersfield Way" "Work in progress" bollocks they keep telling us ? Rather see us get organised, with a manager who sets out to play high tempo football and get about the opposition. We ain't going to be another Swansea because our manager hasn't the balls to get us to try and play that way, his version of passing football certainly doesn't resemble the football Swansea played in any shape or form !!! |
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Post by kosi on Jul 14, 2014 20:39:04 GMT 1
Enlightening stuff then. All we need is a big cash injection. Sorted. I'm amazed no one else has thought of that. Empty your bank account and send it in. You owe it to me and all the other Town fans. Unless it happens, you know as well as I do, we will be a yo yo club struggling to make any headway in this league. We seem to have done it all the wrong way round, the club lavished a load of money on signings in league One, (Lee Clark had free reign with the club cheque book) of which only a couple we managed to make any profit on when selling on. Now when we actually need to lavish money on the playing side, we don't. It seems to me that Town are one of the few clubs that are actually sticking to FPP, where the rest of em are just think 'fuck it' it's worth the risk, rightly or wrongly, I'm willing to bet that the first club to threatened with any kind of sanctions from FPP will take the Football League to court and probably win. We've been a "fuck it" club before. Memories are short! I don't want to be a "fuck it" club again. And before we go on about ambition etc, £1.2 spent on a striker by a club with gates we gate is plenty of ambition |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 14, 2014 20:56:18 GMT 1
That's where business speak and football speak falls apart isn't it. Its fine for the bean counter in NC to say this but it needs someone from the football side to counter by saying that with a solid and stable financial background we will be aiming to buck that trend and be challenging towards the top of the table. That's what football is all about - blending the individuals in to a team so that the team is better than the individual parts - as the Jerries have just shown us. Costa Rica, Columbia, Burnley are good examples as well. The test for me is that we have some very decent individuals (although a bit short in strength in depth) - can Robbins blend them in to a winning team which rises above the "financial" average? I hope he can - I think we will know by Christmas. Usually shit, but with the odd occasion where they perform significantly better than you'd expect? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 20:57:14 GMT 1
Link doesn't work. Point? Google watch swansea city the fall and rise and you might get the point |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 14, 2014 20:58:01 GMT 1
Swansea adopted a specific style of play and appointed managers to implement it. If you are paying attention, that's exactly what Town are trying to do.Oh, and it took them about 7 years to get to the top flight. Without debt. Isn't this exactly what Robins and the Board are trying to claim with all this "Pathways" and "Huddersfield Way" "Work in progress" bollocks they keep telling us ? Rather see us get organised, with a manager who sets out to play high tempo football and get about the opposition. We ain't going to be another Swansea because our manager hasn't the balls to get us to try and play that way, his version of passing football certainly doesn't resemble the football Swansea played in any shape or form !!! Yes, that's exactly what they are saying and what they are doing, which is why yettonterrier's exemplifying of Swansea was inherently ludicrous. They didn't achieve what they achieved by buying star names; they had a plan predicated on an agreed philosophy and followed it through. Wether to not we succeed is entirely up for question (I'm not convinced by MR either, but willing to give him some time), but there is a strategy in place and it bears resemblance to the Swansea model. I'm well open to the possibility that the plan is "bollocks" but don't hear much in the way of credible alternatives. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 14, 2014 21:04:22 GMT 1
Enlightening stuff then. All we need is a big cash injection. Sorted. I'm amazed no one else has thought of that. Empty your bank account and send it in. You owe it to me and all the other Town fans. Unless it happens, you know as well as I do, we will be a yo yo club struggling to make any headway in this league. We seem to have done it all the wrong way round, the club lavished a load of money on signings in league One, (Lee Clark had free reign with the club cheque book) of which only a couple we managed to make any profit on when selling on. Now when we actually need to lavish money on the playing side, we don't. It seems to me that Town are one of the few clubs that are actually sticking to FPP, where the rest of em are just think 'fuck it' it's worth the risk, rightly or wrongly, I'm willing to bet that the first club to threatened with any kind of sanctions from FPP will take the Football League to court and probably win. So like I say, send them all your money. Or alternatively persuade a few more thousand fans to turn up. |
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