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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 10:53:10 GMT 1
Have to agree. We go into a test with 4 seamers and then bat..... surely if you expect the pitch to seam around you want early use.... not late. India will be batting by the end of the day. Captain cook is up against it today.
If we planned to bat first why on earth did we not go for a genuine spinner. After all this was warnes county ground, so it's likely to take spin.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 10:54:25 GMT 1
Semantics for me Kenny.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jul 27, 2014 11:02:34 GMT 1
Wonder if cook's decision to bat first is because he doesn't want to be sweating in the field about his batting. Sounds a bit like it would've been better to bowl first, especially considering how out of form our batsmen are.
Jordan in for stokes is right. Not a woakes fan but if it is swinging he could be a better bet than plunkett, whose pace didn't seem to be getting up to 90mph too often. Sounds like Broad is being held together with gaffa tape and determination, the guy needs a rest. Not sure if anyone saw it but there was an Andy Bull article in the guardian early last week where he said 8 of the 9 players who have played the most international/test cricket since 2009 are English, with broad and Anderson being right up there. Michael Clarke was the other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 11:19:15 GMT 1
I read that 8 ball. Posted similar last week- burnt out players, esp after the back to back ashes.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 27, 2014 11:28:20 GMT 1
Dearly hope he gets an expansive ton today - might (but not holding my breath) shut up the walking ego KP for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 11:38:20 GMT 1
This Indian attack is a bit powderpuff. If he can't score runs today.... He won't all summer.
No sharma is a blow for India. On reflection probably a bat first track... just.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 11:42:13 GMT 1
Yes it's brightened up and doesn't seem to be too much pace in the pitch. Bowling been average so far but cook looks busier than of late.
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Post by Mr Breitside on Jul 27, 2014 16:29:17 GMT 1
Cook has some serious backbone and determination. Fair play to him but in the long run I can't see this making much difference...delaying the inevitable.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 27, 2014 18:23:17 GMT 1
Well done Cook. I thought he was history, but he's a hard b*stard. Not only has he taken on pundits like Sir Geoff, Vaughan and Peterson and rammed it down their throats, but he has put the team in a great position.
By the way, had Geoff had a couple of red wines too many today on TMS?
Gary Balance 104 not out but still creeping under the radar.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 18:25:13 GMT 1
Well done Cook. I thought he was history, but he's a hard b*stard. Not only has he taken on pundits like Sir Geoff, Vaughan and Peterson and rammed it down their throats, but he has put the team in a great position. By the way, had Geoff had a couple of red wines too many today on TMS? Gary Balance 104 not out but still creeping under the radar. What did Sir Lord Geoff say?
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 27, 2014 19:09:14 GMT 1
Well done Cook. I thought he was history, but he's a hard b*stard. Not only has he taken on pundits like Sir Geoff, Vaughan and Peterson and rammed it down their throats, but he has put the team in a great position. By the way, had Geoff had a couple of red wines too many today on TMS? Gary Balance 104 not out but still creeping under the radar. What did Sir Lord Geoff say? He was really having ago at Aggers shortly after Tea and didn't sound very coherent at all today. I only heard him for the first time about 17.00; had he been to a luncheon do?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 22:42:30 GMT 1
Cook played well today. Could have gone first ball, should have gone on 15. I was there today in glorious sunshine on a batsman's dream of a track. Great innings from Ballance, highlight of the day though was the receptions Cook got and the will for him to succeed from the crowd.
I'm not his biggest fan and think he's not as tactically astute as he could be but he.'a the best option at the minute. I'd sooner Downton and Moores went before him.
Set up for a good day tomorrow for us to post 500 then hope we can make inroads after tea.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 12:57:06 GMT 1
This series has shown why DRS has made cricket much better, he has missed that one by miles....... shocking decision.
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Post by rocky on Jul 29, 2014 8:40:16 GMT 1
This series has shown why DRS has made cricket much better, he has missed that one by miles....... shocking decision. Agreed, there have been some appalling decisions in this series (on both sides) that would easily have been over turned with DRS. Cannot understand what India's problem is with it. Whatever problems there are (if any), it's a damn site more reliable than the umpires. The ICC should grow a pair & force them to use it.
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Post by pieeater on Jul 29, 2014 9:52:01 GMT 1
This series has shown why DRS has made cricket much better, he has missed that one by miles....... shocking decision. Agreed, there have been some appalling decisions in this series (on both sides) that would easily have been over turned with DRS. Cannot understand what India's problem is with it. Whatever problems there are (if any), it's a damn site more reliable than the umpires. The ICC should grow a pair & force them to use it. The ICC _can't_ grow a pair where India are concerned, because Indian TV provides the overwhelming majority of ICC revenues.
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Post by pieeater on Jul 29, 2014 9:52:33 GMT 1
Have to agree. We go into a test with 4 seamers and then bat..... surely if you expect the pitch to seam around you want early use.... not late. India will be batting by the end of the day. Captain cook is up against it today. If we planned to bat first why on earth did we not go for a genuine spinner. After all this was warnes county ground, so it's likely to take spin. I see your predictions on cricket are as accurate as those on football transfers...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 10:04:25 GMT 1
Have to agree. We go into a test with 4 seamers and then bat..... surely if you expect the pitch to seam around you want early use.... not late. India will be batting by the end of the day. Captain cook is up against it today. If we planned to bat first why on earth did we not go for a genuine spinner. After all this was warnes county ground, so it's likely to take spin.I see your predictions on cricket are as accurate as those on football transfers... Cooked dropped on 15, Balance edged behind on 10 and bell should have been out lbw on 0..... Poor umpiring, no DRS. Butler caught on about 10, and then dropped.... I think I was correct and the indian fielders and umpires had a shocker. Now they are batting, the early movement has gone, ballance will end up bowling his part time leg spin, with Ali and we have an unbalanced attack for a wearing, dry, wicket, that after the new ball has gone will be easier to bat on than day one. Id say I was pretty much spot on, and if india had taken their chances, cook would have been done and dusted as captain and the England ship would be sinking without trace.
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Post by bro600 on Jul 29, 2014 10:10:49 GMT 1
This explains why India don't use DRS . It causes too many arguments.. Can anyone explain why the Indian language doesn't accommodate new words and they revert to English.
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Post by pieeater on Jul 29, 2014 10:27:19 GMT 1
I see your predictions on cricket are as accurate as those on football transfers... Cooked dropped on 15, Balance edged behind on 10 and bell should have been out lbw on 0..... Poor umpiring, no DRS. Butler caught on about 10, and then dropped.... I think I was correct and the indian fielders and umpires had a shocker. Now they are batting, the early movement has gone, ballance will end up bowling his part time leg spin, with Ali and we have an unbalanced attack for a wearing, dry, wicket, that after the new ball has gone will be easier to bat on than day one. Id say I was pretty much spot on, and if india had taken their chances, cook would have been done and dusted as captain and the England ship would be sinking without trace. Only a complete moron could claim to be spot on having said 'India will be batting by the end of the day' and finding they only just started batting by the end of the next day. As for your other points, coulda woulda shoulda. You didn't say any of that. You made a prediction that was a million miles off. So shut up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 10:32:41 GMT 1
Cooked dropped on 15, Balance edged behind on 10 and bell should have been out lbw on 0..... Poor umpiring, no DRS. Butler caught on about 10, and then dropped.... I think I was correct and the indian fielders and umpires had a shocker. Now they are batting, the early movement has gone, ballance will end up bowling his part time leg spin, with Ali and we have an unbalanced attack for a wearing, dry, wicket, that after the new ball has gone will be easier to bat on than day one. Id say I was pretty much spot on, and if india had taken their chances, cook would have been done and dusted as captain and the England ship would be sinking without trace. Only a complete moron could claim to be spot on having said 'India will be batting by the end of the day' and finding they only just started batting by the end of the next day. As for your other points, coulda woulda shoulda. You didn't say any of that. You made a prediction that was a million miles off. So shut up. Not really, Englands seamers would have had more joy day 1, if not play a spinner, Will England win the game??? Maybe... Id say its just as likely to be a draw and is either a poor decision to bat first, or a poor team selection. Your choice. England would have bowled India out on day 1 in very helpful conditions. Powderpuff india attack without Sharma had enough opportunities to do it to us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 10:49:43 GMT 1
Favourable bowling conditions? Bright sunshine and a track containing as much life as a tramp's vest??
I get your point, if we planned on making them bat the 4th innings why not play a spinner BUT we have been that bad lately it is about getting competitive, not gambling to win.
When did we last post 550+ batting first? Cook and Bell back in the runs, pressure off the bowlers for them to try find some form.
We may not win the match but we'll end it (hopefully!) in a far better position as a team than we were last week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 11:03:17 GMT 1
Favourable bowling conditions? Bright sunshine and a track containing as much life as a tramp's vest?? I get your point, if we planned on making them bat the 4th innings why not play a spinner BUT we have been that bad lately it is about getting competitive, not gambling to win. When did we last post 550+ batting first? Cook and Bell back in the runs, pressure off the bowlers for them to try find some form. We may not win the match but we'll end it (hopefully!) in a far better position as a team than we were last week. We were lucky, but took our chance, fair play, If cook had gone on 15, they horror show would have continued. We picked a spinner in the squad at lords, yet droppped him from this test on a pitch with turn and bounce. Hussain quoted straight away "Ageas Bowl will be a belter on day 3." better hope it swings all day or we could be batting day 5 trying not to be bowled out quickly by indian spinners.
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Jul 29, 2014 12:19:41 GMT 1
Broad is finally putting it in the right areas. About bloody time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 12:22:04 GMT 1
Some match fixing going on here?? The Indians look a shadow of the team that's played the last 2 tests.
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Post by impact on Jul 30, 2014 12:36:44 GMT 1
Admittedly I haven't seen much of the game but why on earth wasn't the follow on enforced? It's day 4!
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Post by pieeater on Jul 30, 2014 12:52:33 GMT 1
Nobody enforces the follow on these days. Partly because they want to maximise rest for bowlers who are having to front up for another Test a few days later, partly because the only way you can lose in those circs is to put the opposition back in and have them flay tired bowlers all over the park until the fifth day, then bowl you out - the Headingley 1981 scenario, but it was the Australia/India Test in Calcutta in 2001 that really changed the thinking.
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Post by jjamez on Jul 30, 2014 13:47:47 GMT 1
Teams dont enforce the follow on as they see it better now to kick the other team in the dirt and making the deficit greater.
Also nice to see lopez is claiming to be right when he's massively wrong. Again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 14:54:14 GMT 1
Teams dont enforce the follow on as they see it better now to kick the other team in the dirt and making the deficit greater. Also nice to see lopez is claiming to be right when he's massively wrong. Again. Doubt it, we should have had a spinner in the squad for a day 5 pitch, If your going in with 4 seamers your epecting it to seam around early so I still maintain we should have either a) bowled first or b) We got the selection wrong and should have picked a spinner.
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Post by pieeater on Jul 30, 2014 15:15:36 GMT 1
Teams dont enforce the follow on as they see it better now to kick the other team in the dirt and making the deficit greater. Also nice to see lopez is claiming to be right when he's massively wrong. Again. Doubt it, we should have had a spinner in the squad for a day 5 pitch, If your going in with 4 seamers your epecting it to seam around early so I still maintain we should have either a) bowled first or b) We got the selection wrong and should have picked a spinner. You said India would be batting by the end of the first day. They weren't. You were wrong. QED.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 15:19:14 GMT 1
Not really sure how anyone could criticise Cook or England here. Played really well.
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