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Post by catterickterrier on Jul 20, 2014 21:19:04 GMT 1
If Hammill didn't have the bad boy image he would have a lot more people clamouring for him to stay
More of a loss than Clayton if he goes IMO, he's the key to unlock a dour nil nil
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Post by Giggity on Jul 20, 2014 21:20:24 GMT 1
We would be mad to sell him. He would be a bigger loss than Clayton. He is the only skillful and unpredictable player we have. Don't know about unpredictable. From Jan onwards he was pretty predictable at pirouetting into touch every time he got the ball. Think Hammill was very lucky last year at not being held to account for some dire minutes on the pitch second half of season compared to the attention other players got (Ward). It's ok everyone can reply saying he got a bad tackle that knocked his confidence or had most of assists *yawn* That excuse is almost as tiresome as the Gary Roberts broken arm excuse. From January on-wards, every single player's performance dipped. It's unfair to single Hammill out. |
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Post by royrace on Jul 20, 2014 21:59:31 GMT 1
We would be mad to sell him. He would be a bigger loss than Clayton. He is the only skillful and unpredictable player we have. Don't know about unpredictable. From Jan onwards he was pretty predictable at pirouetting into touch every time he got the ball. Think Hammill was very lucky last year at not being held to account for some dire minutes on the pitch second half of season compared to the attention other players got (Ward). It's ok everyone can reply saying he got a bad tackle that knocked his confidence or had most of assists *yawn* Sorry to be brief but utter bull shit. Name a more productive winger that has player for Town in the last 20 years. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 22:03:27 GMT 1
Don't know about unpredictable. From Jan onwards he was pretty predictable at pirouetting into touch every time he got the ball. Think Hammill was very lucky last year at not being held to account for some dire minutes on the pitch second half of season compared to the attention other players got (Ward). It's ok everyone can reply saying he got a bad tackle that knocked his confidence or had most of assists *yawn* Sorry to be brief but utter bull shit. Name a more productive winger that has player for Town in the last 20 years. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Pilkington Roberts |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 23:10:24 GMT 1
Some people are just far too easily woo'd with some stepovers.
From Jan onwards I'd love to see a highlights feel of all the times he bottled taking on a man, or dribbled in to touch around the halfway line.
Not saying he can't be one of best players, but think he was consistently ineffective for second half of season, and people were far too busy sniping Ward whilst Hammills contributions (or lack of) went largely unnoticed by the masses.
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Jul 20, 2014 23:22:04 GMT 1
Post by ritchie on Jul 20, 2014 23:22:04 GMT 1
Some people are just far too easily woo'd with some stepovers. From Jan onwards I'd love to see a highlights feel of all the times he bottled taking on a man, or dribbled in to touch around the halfway line. Not saying he can't be one of best players, but think he was consistently ineffective for second half of season, and people were far too busy sniping Ward whilst Hammills contributions (or lack of) went largely unnoticed by the masses. Or, you know, goals and assists. |
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Post by huntingdontown on Jul 21, 2014 7:41:23 GMT 1
Sky reporting that Mark Davies is going to QPR
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Post by thomo on Jul 21, 2014 8:09:01 GMT 1
Although Hammill had the top assists last season he was erratic at times, doing some good stuff but not doing it consistently enough for my liking. Maybe that's a bit harsh? It was a tough second half of the season for him without Vaughan. Gets into good position but then when you look up to see who is going to attack a cross..... Got to agree with that, he put in some cracking balls for Vaughan early on in the season. Looking up to see wells surrounded by 3 towering defenders and a sluggish midfield that didn't support attacks probably didn't give him much to aim at in the second half of the season. Would be sad to see him go |
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Post by E4b on Jul 21, 2014 8:25:13 GMT 1
Don't know about unpredictable. From Jan onwards he was pretty predictable at pirouetting into touch every time he got the ball. Think Hammill was very lucky last year at not being held to account for some dire minutes on the pitch second half of season compared to the attention other players got (Ward). It's ok everyone can reply saying he got a bad tackle that knocked his confidence or had most of assists *yawn* Sorry to be brief but utter bull shit. Name a more productive winger that has player for Town in the last 20 years. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Although I think Hammill is excellent - Daniel Ward. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 21, 2014 8:47:48 GMT 1
Sorry to be brief but utter bull shit. Name a more productive winger that has player for Town in the last 20 years. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Although I think Hammill is excellent - Daniel Ward. Now, if you're saying Ward I am going to include Chris Brandon and Malvin Kamara.....  |
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Post by capitalterrier on Jul 21, 2014 8:54:42 GMT 1
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 21, 2014 9:53:37 GMT 1
Hammill was so poor in the second half of the season that he's been linked with a million pound plus move to Bolton, who if true, clearly have more appreciation of a fine player than some of the people commenting on here.
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Jul 21, 2014 10:25:23 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 10:25:23 GMT 1
Hammill was so poor in the second half of the season that he's been linked with a million pound plus move to Bolton, who if true, clearly have more appreciation of a fine player than some of the people commenting on here. Given Bolton's recent form in the transfer market, it is difficult to conclude that them offering a million means that a player must be good. Hammill is technically one of the best players in the squad, but I am far from convinced that his technical ability will ever be fully transferred into him being as effective as he should be. He just doesn't seem to have a footballing brain to me. At this level his technical ability gets him out of jail sometimes, meaning that he manages to keep hold of the ball after he should have released it and manages to make up for poor positioning. If he moved any higher, I don't think that his technical ability would make up for his flaws and he would struggle. I'm not saying he's a bad player, we should get rid or that he shouldn't be in our side. I think he's a good player for us, if a little frustrating at times, but I don't think he's a million pound player and can't really see him excelling any higher. As an individual, you unfortunately have to consider his legal case as well... As harsh as it is, is it really worth risking a million on someone who is potentially one scrap away from a jail term? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 10:42:22 GMT 1
Hammill was so poor in the second half of the season that he's been linked with a million pound plus move to Bolton, who if true, clearly have more appreciation of a fine player than some of the people commenting on here. Of the 18 matches Hammill played after the Charlton cup game - he was substituted in 50% of them. At least twice at half time. Think he got 1 assist (Yeovil). He was ineffective as a creative player, the creative player. We were a very poor team but you look to players like him to find that spark and in the 2nd half he just didn't come up with the goods, hence why a lot of the time he was brought off and replaced with Lolley/Scannell in the hope they could do something. He never really ran with the ball down the wing (apart from Yeovil) and more often than not the ball would find its way into touch after he unsuccessfully tried to do something fancy past a player. Don't get me wrong most of the team were awful. Wells and Clayton were the standouts perhaps, but with the obsession on here with Ward and giving him stick I think Hammill got off very easily for a shite 2nd half compared to the first. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 11:13:52 GMT 1
I hope the club dont have the same view as some on here, got to remember he was adapting his game to the wing back role this season, and did very well imo.
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Jul 21, 2014 12:44:57 GMT 1
Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 21, 2014 12:44:57 GMT 1
Be sorry to see him go, good player but come on best winger in the last 20 years !!!! Not fit to lace Pilks boots.
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Jul 21, 2014 12:49:00 GMT 1
Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 21, 2014 12:49:00 GMT 1
Hammill was so poor in the second half of the season that he's been linked with a million pound plus move to Bolton, who if true, clearly have more appreciation of a fine player than some of the people commenting on here. Of the 18 matches Hammill played after the Charlton cup game - he was substituted in 50% of them. At least twice at half time. Think he got 1 assist (Yeovil). He was ineffective as a creative player, the creative player. We were a very poor team but you look to players like him to find that spark and in the 2nd half he just didn't come up with the goods, hence why a lot of the time he was brought off and replaced with Lolley/Scannell in the hope they could do something. He never really ran with the ball down the wing (apart from Yeovil) and more often than not the ball would find its way into touch after he unsuccessfully tried to do something fancy past a player. Don't get me wrong most of the team were awful. Wells and Clayton were the standouts perhaps, but with the obsession on here with Ward and giving him stick I think Hammill got off very easily for a shite 2nd half compared to the first. The media's player of the year The most assists in the season Runner up in the fans player of the year award Not bad for somebody who had a such a poor last 18 games then |
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Jul 21, 2014 12:54:29 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 21, 2014 12:54:29 GMT 1
No... But he was mostly pants in them games .. Wouldn't you agree ?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 21, 2014 13:00:50 GMT 1
No... But he was mostly pants in them games .. Wouldn't you agree ? No I don't agree. Granted he wasn't as good or effective as he was prior to the Charlton game but there were far worse players in the side than Hammill. |
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Jul 21, 2014 13:01:41 GMT 1
Post by townatheart on Jul 21, 2014 13:01:41 GMT 1
No... But he was mostly pants in them games .. Wouldn't you agree ? so was the rest of the team, not down to hammill alone |
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Jul 21, 2014 13:06:05 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 21, 2014 13:06:05 GMT 1
Yeah I agree, they were all rubbish ... But to say Hammill was anything but rubbish in the last few games is quite frankly....... Rubbish ....
Ps I'm not scapegoating him I like him and hope he stays.. But don't make stuff up to support the argument !
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Jul 21, 2014 13:15:31 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 13:15:31 GMT 1
Of the 18 matches Hammill played after the Charlton cup game - he was substituted in 50% of them. At least twice at half time. Think he got 1 assist (Yeovil). He was ineffective as a creative player, the creative player. We were a very poor team but you look to players like him to find that spark and in the 2nd half he just didn't come up with the goods, hence why a lot of the time he was brought off and replaced with Lolley/Scannell in the hope they could do something. He never really ran with the ball down the wing (apart from Yeovil) and more often than not the ball would find its way into touch after he unsuccessfully tried to do something fancy past a player. Don't get me wrong most of the team were awful. Wells and Clayton were the standouts perhaps, but with the obsession on here with Ward and giving him stick I think Hammill got off very easily for a shite 2nd half compared to the first. The media's player of the year The most assists in the season Runner up in the fans player of the year award Not bad for somebody who had a such a poor last 18 games then I couldn't give a shite if he pipped Tomas Tranströmer to The Nobel Prize in Literature, he had a shite 2nd half of the season. Robins continually subbed him because of this ineffectiveness. And to say he got the most assists after I said he got 1 in the last 18 surely only reinforces my point that he wasn't half the player he was in the first half? |
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Jul 21, 2014 13:16:18 GMT 1
Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 21, 2014 13:16:18 GMT 1
Yeah I agree, they were all rubbish ... But to say Hammill was anything but rubbish in the last few games is quite frankly....... Rubbish .... Ps I'm not scapegoating him I like him and hope he stays.. But don't make stuff up to support the argument ! I haven't made anything up. You thought he was rubbish and I don't. If we all had the same opinion about everything then this board would be boring. |
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Jul 21, 2014 13:21:30 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 21, 2014 13:21:30 GMT 1
Yeah I agree, they were all rubbish ... But to say Hammill was anything but rubbish in the last few games is quite frankly....... Rubbish .... Ps I'm not scapegoating him I like him and hope he stays.. But don't make stuff up to support the argument ! I haven't made anything up. You thought he was rubbish and I don't. If we all had the same opinion about everything then this board would be boring. You thought he was good in the the back end of the season ? For real ? I know I keep saying its all about opinions but that one has bamboozled me. |
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Post by AndySk on Jul 21, 2014 13:23:58 GMT 1
Very good first half of the season/average to poor 2nd half. Pretty much like everyone else.
Hope he's still here come start of the season
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Jul 21, 2014 13:32:43 GMT 1
Post by fiatlux on Jul 21, 2014 13:32:43 GMT 1
Bolton ?
£1m. ?.......thought they were hard up. Perhaps makes this debate a little hypothetical .
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Jul 21, 2014 13:51:53 GMT 1
Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 21, 2014 13:51:53 GMT 1
I haven't made anything up. You thought he was rubbish and I don't. If we all had the same opinion about everything then this board would be boring. You thought he was good in the the back end of the season ? For real ? I know I keep saying its all about opinions but that one has bamboozled me. I didn't say he was good in those games, but he certainly wasn't rubbish! There were many threads/comments on here criticizing players last season (Gobern, Norwood, Ward, Hogg etc) but I don't recall too many (if any) about Hammill, which would be surprising if he was as rubbish as you're suggesting. |
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Jul 21, 2014 14:25:47 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 21, 2014 14:25:47 GMT 1
You thought he was good in the the back end of the season ? For real ? I know I keep saying its all about opinions but that one has bamboozled me. I didn't say he was good in those games, but he certainly wasn't rubbish! There were many threads/comments on here criticizing players last season (Gobern, Norwood, Ward, Hogg etc) but I don't recall too many (if any) about Hammill, which would be surprising if he was as rubbish as you're suggesting. I use my eyes, not whats said on here or whether he has got a press box player of the season. And I'm not comparing him to anyone else . Just judging him on his own merits . In my opinion he was pretty good pre January and pretty crap after... Of course there are other factors such as whats going on around him... But he certainly needs to kick on in the latter half of 2014 IMO |
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Jul 21, 2014 21:36:30 GMT 1
Post by rantinray on Jul 21, 2014 21:36:30 GMT 1
Hammill Linked with Bolton in Sunday people is it agent drumming up interest as was also linked to pne and if he went who do we replace with him with? We have got a shed load of players. We can afford to let our best go. Our dealings in the transfer market show that we do not need to strengthen the squad. Wont matter if we get relegated, the wage bill will be less and we will still go down to support. |
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Jul 21, 2014 21:54:09 GMT 1
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 21, 2014 21:54:09 GMT 1
You thought he was good in the the back end of the season ? For real ? I know I keep saying its all about opinions but that one has bamboozled me. I didn't say he was good in those games, but he certainly wasn't rubbish! There were many threads/comments on here criticizing players last season (Gobern, Norwood, Ward, Hogg etc) but I don't recall too many (if any) about Hammill, which would be surprising if he was as rubbish as you're suggesting. That probably says more about football fans and this forum than how well the respective players performed. After Wells and Clayton, it could be argued Ward was the next best performer in the final third of the season, but got more stick than anyone! Anyway, there was a massive difference in Hammill pre and post the Stephens tackle. He was possibly heading for POTS, but tailed off dramatically. |
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