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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 22, 2014 21:14:30 GMT 1
Suppose its like anything else- you start off chasing ambitious targets and get knocked back until you land the best you can. Suspect that's whats happening just now and Town certainly won't be alone in that. I also think its possible we have under-estimated the extent that a lot of clubs are seemingly ignoring FFP. If i was Clibbens and DH id be asking for clarification off the FL of what the punishments are and whether they will actually be carried out. If we played the season with the squad as it is now ( which we won't as I think we'll strengthen with 2 or 3 before the end of August one way of another) , how we'd do would depend on how lucky we are with injuries. We looked a very steady mid-placed side last season until key injuries to vaughan and Lynch hit home, so to avoid the struggles of the latter part of last season, we'd have to be luckier than we were. Can't see it with vaughan though. Really think a 3rd 'proven' striker is a must. We won't be THAT lucky that he plays the bulk of the season. Or if we are, then sods law dictates Wells will pick up a bad knock. That's a fair assessment but this is what's causing me to worry. I think we have a fairly solid starting 11 which, if it remains injury and suspension free it would be more than capable of a mid table finish. Thing is, it never works out like that and we lack any quality in reserve. We seem to have some promising youngsters coming through but I'd be very wary of placing so much responsibility, in what, I think, is going to be the toughest and most competitive Championship since we returned.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 22, 2014 21:18:38 GMT 1
Don't worry about it .. Embrace the challenge
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Post by Giggity on Jul 22, 2014 21:20:08 GMT 1
Why don't we sign Adel Taraabt instead? He's available and only on £50k a week.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 22, 2014 21:21:16 GMT 1
End of last season we where promised that experienced championship players would be brought in to the club! Here we are just over two weeks until the start of the new season, and we have a back up goalkeeper and Peltier.It looks to me Robins is using the excuse of fringe players looking like stepping up to the plate after a few pre season wins against teams of far lower standard than what we will face in the championship to cover our failings in the transfer market. Hope I am proved wrong but if not,a season of struggle will follow with what in real terms is a weaker squad than last season. Forget all this togetherness crap, we need that quality, but seem like we are not willing to pay for it! 'We' being Dean Hoyle I suppose - he has financed the club to the point of £30 million during his chairmanship.....how much are you willing to put in? What failings are you referring to? Wood can pick and choose which club he wants to join and name his weekly salary.....we are a mid range club which is seeking to be successful and sustainable on average crowds of around 13500 - without Dean Hoyles sounds stewardship and funding we would be no where ....here's wishing you will be proved wrong....In all fairness, it's got to the point now where we are at a crossroads. It now needs money sunk into the first team squad to keep us progressing. The club seem to want to go down the youth route, which I don't have a problem with, but whilst we are waiting for this side to come to fruition, we need to spend on the first team. It now needs investment more than ever, whether that comes form Hoyle or someone else, remains to be seen.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 22, 2014 21:38:23 GMT 1
And if one of those is injured, suspended or off form...? Are Paterson, Ward & Bunn good enough to slot straight in? I do think a couple of leaders in defence & midfield are also a priority but I don't think our forward line is sorted by any means. I realised that, but couldn't be arsed putting in a caveat It is however why I said it would be great having him, you'd expect he'd partner either well. I just think we wouldn't want our potential top three players/earners all being strikers, so one of which would likely not be on the pitch at any one time. For me, another striker will likely be cover, but any player for another position s/be expected to go into the first eleven. I suppose it's one of those questions to which there is no easy answer. If we're going to get a striker then there's no sense in getting one that is not going to have a chance of impacting on the first team because we already have cover in Ward, Pato and Bunn. However, to get a striker of that calibre won't be cheap and it may mean we can't afford to strengthen elsewhere. If we don't, as soon as one of Wells and Vaughan (particularly Vaughan) is out, our next best option is to play a winger out of position. Unless a great deal comes up or one of our "cover" strikers consistently plays out of their skin, I am starting to wonder if perhaps we stick with what we have up front and dip into the loan market later in the season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 21:40:02 GMT 1
Megatron likes Chris Wood Optimus prime doesn't I don't care
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Post by einediemengedochsen on Jul 22, 2014 21:42:53 GMT 1
Suppose its like anything else- you start off chasing ambitious targets and get knocked back until you land the best you can. Suspect that's whats happening just now and Town certainly won't be alone in that. I also think its possible we have under-estimated the extent that a lot of clubs are seemingly ignoring FFP. If i was Clibbens and DH id be asking for clarification off the FL of what the punishments are and whether they will actually be carried out.
If we played the season with the squad as it is now ( which we won't as I think we'll strengthen with 2 or 3 before the end of August one way of another) , how we'd do would depend on how lucky we are with injuries. We looked a very steady mid-placed side last season until key injuries to vaughan and Lynch hit home, so to avoid the struggles of the latter part of last season, we'd have to be luckier than we were. Can't see it with vaughan though. Really think a 3rd 'proven' striker is a must. We won't be THAT lucky that he plays the bulk of the season. Or if we are, then sods law dictates Wells will pick up a bad knock. I think those clubs that didn't comply last season (of which there nust be quite a few - does anybody know?) will have a transfer embargo starting in January. DH may be playing a canny long game hoping to pick up some cheapos then when there is less competition. Its a bit risky relying on that solely however and hope there is also some short term plan whether it be loans or hopefully before the end of the current window pick up some increasingly desperate released players without clubs who may be willing to sign for smaller wages as they find they are not going to be paid as much as they may have been previoulsy .
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 22, 2014 21:44:55 GMT 1
I realised that, but couldn't be arsed putting in a caveat It is however why I said it would be great having him, you'd expect he'd partner either well. I just think we wouldn't want our potential top three players/earners all being strikers, so one of which would likely not be on the pitch at any one time. For me, another striker will likely be cover, but any player for another position s/be expected to go into the first eleven. I suppose it's one of those questions to which there is no easy answer. If we're going to get a striker then there's no sense in getting one that is not going to have a chance of impacting on the first team because we already have cover in Ward, Pato and Bunn. However, to get a striker of that calibre won't be cheap and it may mean we can't afford to strengthen elsewhere. If we don't, as soon as one of Wells and Vaughan (particularly Vaughan) is out, our next best option is to play a winger out of position. Unless a great deal comes up or one of our "cover" strikers consistently plays out of their skin, I am starting to wonder if perhaps we stick with what we have up front and dip into the loan market later in the season. The conundrum caused by having one of our absolute best players as our biggest injury risk................albeit we'd never have had him in the first place if he wasn't'.
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Post by stinkypete on Jul 22, 2014 22:38:18 GMT 1
Suppose its like anything else- you start off chasing ambitious targets and get knocked back until you land the best you can. Suspect that's whats happening just now and Town certainly won't be alone in that. I also think its possible we have under-estimated the extent that a lot of clubs are seemingly ignoring FFP. If i was Clibbens and DH id be asking for clarification off the FL of what the punishments are and whether they will actually be carried out.
If we played the season with the squad as it is now ( which we won't as I think we'll strengthen with 2 or 3 before the end of August one way of another) , how we'd do would depend on how lucky we are with injuries. We looked a very steady mid-placed side last season until key injuries to vaughan and Lynch hit home, so to avoid the struggles of the latter part of last season, we'd have to be luckier than we were. Can't see it with vaughan though. Really think a 3rd 'proven' striker is a must. We won't be THAT lucky that he plays the bulk of the season. Or if we are, then sods law dictates Wells will pick up a bad knock. I think those clubs that didn't comply last season (of which there nust be quite a few - does anybody know?) will have a transfer embargo starting in January. DH may be playing a canny long game hoping to pick up some cheapos then when there is less competition. Its a bit risky relying on that solely however and hope there is also some short term plan whether it be loans or hopefully before the end of the current window pick up some increasingly desperate released players without clubs who may be willing to sign for smaller wages as they find they are not going to be paid as much as they may have been previoulsy . This FFP will only work when they start docking points from clubs who don't comply.
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Post by royalflush on Jul 22, 2014 22:44:07 GMT 1
one or two saying that up front isn't a priority because of Vaughan & Wells. On what basis are you assuming Vaughan will play more than 20 matches this season? He has close to a decade of seasons now where he hasn't and I don't for one second believe this will be any different. We were woefully short up front at the back end of last season. I for one am not suddenly blinkered by a Ward hat-trick against a Watford reserve side...Paterson will more than likely be loaned again if not sold and I dont want to see Stead anywhere near the bench, so imo we desperately need a forward. Even if a big target man like Henderson that Wells can play-off.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 23:58:49 GMT 1
Why don't we sign Adel Taraabt instead? He's available and only on £50k a week. Just read Warnock Autobiography. He loved Taraabt off even though Taraabt is a right bell!
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