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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 24, 2014 13:37:13 GMT 1
No, just mildly baffled at the location. I was in Town for the first time in ages recently to watch the town centre cycle race, and the Pack Horse is a hotch potch of what should bemarket stall businesses, despite the obvious money that has been spent on keeping the place look as nice as it can do. I don't buy Town clobber other than an occasional shirt for a kid, but if I did I'd go down to the stadium where its free to park. Lets hope this new shop can sell match tickets also, as theres lots of people out there for whom getting down to the ground is less convenient and who aren't part of the online generation. One thing which might be a factor.. It'll be cheap as chips... Why don't you give it a chance then snipe if its crap ? Ps I don't ever buy town clobber either... Apart from the occasional replica shit... I'm as bamboozled as arterrier by the concept of "leisurewear" .. But the pack horse is near where I work so maybe ill pop in and buy some blue n white mittens or a lifesize replica of the original terry the terrier (RIP) Well and truly bamboozled mate.
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Post by deo1 on Jul 24, 2014 13:54:42 GMT 1
You don't just buy £40 shirts from the shop they sell numerous town merchandise and some of it cheap. Also where the 2 previous shops were located are not as central as the packhorse so should get more people just popping in after walking past.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 24, 2014 14:30:11 GMT 1
You don't just buy £40 shirts from the shop they sell numerous town merchandise and some of it cheap. Also where the 2 previous shops were located are not as central as the packhorse so should get more people just popping in after walking past. Hardly a sprawling metropolis, Huddersfield town centre, is it? Look, good luck to em. Just doubt it'll be succesful. I walk through Leeds city centre every week day, and they have a very swanky looking LUFC store just next to Trinity and it's always empty.
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Post by whiteroseofhudds on Jul 24, 2014 15:30:37 GMT 1
Never seen so much negativity in my life!
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 24, 2014 16:34:48 GMT 1
Never seen so much negativity in my life! Try looking on a few other threads! I woud argue my posts here are more a case of pragmatic realism than negativity. I applaud new initiatives, and I'm not knocking the club for trying, I just think they'll be pissing in the wind with this. Or are we not allowed to question things?
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Post by Zopa64 on Jul 24, 2014 17:46:34 GMT 1
You don't just buy £40 shirts from the shop they sell numerous town merchandise and some of it cheap. Also where the 2 previous shops were located are not as central as the packhorse so should get more people just popping in after walking past. Some of it cheap? Everything in the club shop is over priced.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 24, 2014 20:02:06 GMT 1
Never seen so much negativity in my life! Try looking on a few other threads! I woud argue my posts here are more a case of pragmatic realism than negativity. I applaud new initiatives, and I'm not knocking the club for trying, I just think they'll be pissing in the wind with this. Or are we not allowed to question things? They're selling their wares. You are the customer. If you want to buy then go and buy. If you don't then don't. If it makes money they will be quids in, if it doesn't they won't... What's the big deal? Do you go on forums advising matalan and river island where they shouldn't be putting up shops? This is one of the weirdest threads I've ever read on here
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 21:45:33 GMT 1
Try looking on a few other threads! I woud argue my posts here are more a case of pragmatic realism than negativity. I applaud new initiatives, and I'm not knocking the club for trying, I just think they'll be pissing in the wind with this. Or are we not allowed to question things? They're selling their wares. You are the customer. If you want to buy then go and buy. If you don't then don't. If it makes money they will be quids in, if it doesn't they won't... What's the big deal? Do you go on forums advising matalan and river island where they shouldn't be putting up shops? This is one of the weirdest threads I've ever read on here Presumably people dont go cheering the staff of River Island on when they defeat Next in the weekly sales? We're FANS...we want the club to be the best it can be...and throw our oar in when we think mistakes are being made, on or off the pitch. Nodding yes support kills football clubs, we dont have to look too far back to see the evidence. As fans we need to challenge the club in order for it to feel encouraged to move forwards, its OUR club after all. Other than that, I'm not really that bothered, I dont think I ever spent a penny in either of the two previous Town shops in town, although I have spent in the store at the stadium. Personally I would have thought a small unit at Canalside would be a better money spinner comsidering the lower costs etc.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 24, 2014 22:00:14 GMT 1
They're selling their wares. You are the customer. If you want to buy then go and buy. If you don't then don't. If it makes money they will be quids in, if it doesn't they won't... What's the big deal? Do you go on forums advising matalan and river island where they shouldn't be putting up shops? This is one of the weirdest threads I've ever read on here Presumably people dont go cheering the staff of River Island on when they defeat Next in the weekly sales? We're FANS...we want the club to be the best it can be...and throw our oar in when we think mistakes are being made, on or off the pitch. Nodding yes support kills football clubs, we dont have to look too far back to see the evidence. As fans we need to challenge the club in order for it to feel encouraged to move forwards, its OUR club after all. Other than that, I'm not really that bothered, I dont think I ever spent a penny in either of the two previous Town shops in town, although I have spent in the store at the stadium. Personally I would have thought a small unit at Canalside would be a better money spinner comsidering the lower costs etc. My "support" of my local football club does not extend to offering advice on where to place a shop to a man who made 300 million pounds placing shops in places like... For example... The Pack Horse centre... I turn up. I cheer the team, I give them the occasional quid or ten. That's about it. If Dean wants some help with things I know a little about, indie music of the seventies and eighties.... Child protection... How to make good pasta... Ill be happy to oblige... But offering advice about where to place a shop... No .. Not now not ever... But we are all different
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 24, 2014 22:15:04 GMT 1
Different thing selling cheap 'value' cards and selling (what is IMO) overpriced football related tat. Given the last two shops failed I wonder what they are going to do differently this time. Of course I trust they've studied their demographics and marketing (mind you I also trusted they'd given Jon Stead a medical).
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 24, 2014 22:30:06 GMT 1
Different thing selling cheap 'value' cards and selling (what is IMO) overpriced football related tat. Given the last two shops failed I wonder what they are going to do differently this time. Of course I trust they've studied their demographics and marketing (mind you I also trusted they'd given Jon Stead a medical). You're all talking a load of ratners
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 24, 2014 22:43:22 GMT 1
I can only give that comment a like thanks to Google, I get the point. Time will tell, of couse I wish them well and I'll be popping my head in next time I'm over (if it's still there)
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Jul 24, 2014 23:37:57 GMT 1
How anyone is getting themselves worked up over Town opening a shop in the town centre is just beyond me - it's a shop - it means you can go in and buy things.
If you need to buy something it's either convenient or it isn't - either way the options is at least there.
If you don't need to buy anything then it shouldn't bother you either way - I don't think it's stopping us signing players.
Maybe it's my rational view from afar but some seem to get worked up over the silliest things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 7:24:04 GMT 1
You don't just buy £40 shirts from the shop they sell numerous town merchandise and some of it cheap. Also where the 2 previous shops were located are not as central as the packhorse so should get more people just popping in after walking past. It's not as if it's going to be tucked away in the packhorse either. From the OS it sates the shop will have pedestrian access off King Street, which means it will be on a thoroughfare where 1000's walk past everyday. I've got a mate that can't drive due to his peepers, he works in the town centre so he'll be made up with this announcement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 7:57:57 GMT 1
How anyone is getting themselves worked up over Town opening a shop in the town centre is just beyond me - it's a shop - it means you can go in and buy things. If you need to buy something it's either convenient or it isn't - either way the options is at least there. If you don't need to buy anything then it shouldn't bother you either way - I don't think it's stopping us signing players. Maybe it's my rational view from afar but some seem to get worked up over the silliest things. Nobody is getting "worked up" other than those folk who are getting worked up that some other folk are mildly questioning the sensibility of opening an outlet despite previous failings and the marketing director of the club stating less than 12 months ago that the club was pulling away from having a shop for valid reasons, most of which remain. The problem is that discussion on here is mostly assumed to be a hard black or white opinion, even when it isn't. Whether we're talking players, shops, ticket prices, coaching staff or Leeds Utd.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 25, 2014 8:48:16 GMT 1
Just to be clear, I'm not worked up. I want it to be a success because success there means my team may have more of a war chest, which is rgeat.
all I've said is I expect it to make a loss, based on what I think are valid business reasons.
Card Factory is not football. If it was, Dean Hoyle would already have town turning a massive profit year on year. There is a difference between spotting a gap in a nationwide FMCG market and making people buy stuff from a shop that only sells HTFC stuff and is less than a mile from the stadium shop full of the same stuff, when two previous attempts at THE SAME IDEA have failed.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 25, 2014 9:21:41 GMT 1
Just to be clear, here I've just spent half an hour with the Samaritans and had my HTFC belt and shoelaces taken away over this.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 25, 2014 9:22:03 GMT 1
Just to be clear
no one is getting worked up
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 25, 2014 9:35:09 GMT 1
Just to be clear, here I've just spent half an hour with the Samaritans and had my HTFC belt and shoelaces taken away over this. If they sell these, I'm off to the Pack Horse to get some....
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 25, 2014 9:35:22 GMT 1
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 25, 2014 9:39:56 GMT 1
Just to be clear, here I've just spent half an hour with the Samaritans and had my HTFC belt and shoelaces taken away over this. If they sell these, I'm off to the Pack Horse to get some.... Maybe we should better use the thread making up new products to make this a success. I could think of a few on here who'd benefit from HTFC branded Xanax. HTFC Tampax?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 25, 2014 9:42:18 GMT 1
We need to rekindle the spirit of Bostocks
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 25, 2014 10:17:52 GMT 1
That would involve rekindling the spirit of the Fame record label and lots of dodgy Greek imports:
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 25, 2014 10:18:54 GMT 1
Cue the George Donis jokes
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 11:43:42 GMT 1
Based on his previous business model, 5 shirts for £1 it is! Spot on. Selling low cost low margin high volume paper products is a world away from trying to sell a shirt for £40. Card Factory made its money through scale, with products that people want to buy every day everywhere. A Town retail venture simply cant follow that model. Pretty sure he'll have a decent idea on how retail works, regardless of the difference in the target market and the produce range. And it was the Giants who spoke about sales issues in the old shop and not Town. "Giants’ managing director Richard Thewlis said: “Retail sales are moving more towards online purchasing rather than shop visiting. The only sensible option for the club was to withdraw its options back to the stadium and continue to promote heavily online."Town said: “The lease, liability and risk are with Town and we manage and run it, with a contribution to costs from the Giants based on its sales.
In commercial terms, the risks all lie with the club and now it is up, we have undertaken a strategic review of our retail operations.
“In recent years, our retail operation has gone from strength to strength, thanks largely in a growth in internet-based sales."
So, It appears that Town may have just wanted to go alone away from Giants and Davy, considering the risks were with them anyway.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 25, 2014 11:52:39 GMT 1
I'd love to be proven wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 21:36:16 GMT 1
Spot on. Selling low cost low margin high volume paper products is a world away from trying to sell a shirt for £40. Card Factory made its money through scale, with products that people want to buy every day everywhere. A Town retail venture simply cant follow that model. Pretty sure he'll have a decent idea on how retail works, regardless of the difference in the target market and the produce range. So, It appears that Town may have just wanted to go alone away from Giants and Davy, considering the risks were with them anyway. Sean states the risks and liability were with Town, and that retail growth was largely happening via the internet store. He hinted at a more dynamic approach, centred around kit launches etc (maybe pop up short term outlets at key periods?). So...the club are now planning on opening a store, where the risks and liabilities will be with Town. So whats changed? UNLESS we're talking about a store-within-a-store in Peters or something?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 10:18:15 GMT 1
Pretty sure he'll have a decent idea on how retail works, regardless of the difference in the target market and the produce range. So, It appears that Town may have just wanted to go alone away from Giants and Davy, considering the risks were with them anyway. Sean states the risks and liability were with Town, and that retail growth was largely happening via the internet store. He hinted at a more dynamic approach, centred around kit launches etc (maybe pop up short term outlets at key periods?). So...the club are now planning on opening a store, where the risks and liabilities will be with Town. So whats changed? UNLESS we're talking about a store-within-a-store in Peters or something? I don't think anything was said about sales in the retail store based in Town prior to it closing. SJ only mentioned that online sales had grown. They didn't say that fewer bought jerseys in store, just that online sales were growing. Town may have expected more people to buy online or from the stadium after the Sporting Pride store closure, but it didn't reach the levels hoped for. Having people walk past the shop was maybe the catalyst for them to buy online. Maybe fewer than expected bought last year because of that. Maybe Town think attendances suffered for the same reason. As a kid, I was always receiving Town gifts from the Town shop for birthdays and Christmas. My older relatives wouldn't have used public transport to get to the stadium or have bought online, they'd have just bought something else. You can't use Pop-up stores for birthdays. Maybe Town wanted out of any agreement with the Giants. I doubt Town would have come out and said that directly, but they did refer to having all the risk laying with the one club not being good. Maybe the Packhorse offered Town a cracking deal because they want a 'flagship' style store to get people walking through the centre. So many things could have changed but when don't know all the facts then we can only speculate.
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Post by wasp on Jul 27, 2014 12:57:12 GMT 1
Ooooooo I can't wait to buy a hat and some gloves now
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Jul 28, 2014 13:02:14 GMT 1
putting together a kit for your nocturnal activities are we?
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