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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 8:09:48 GMT 1
Brighton lost to Peterborough yesterday, Rotherham lost to Tamworth and we lost to Scunny.
I'm off to the bookies to put a grand on those 3 teams to be relegated to League One this season, absolutely nailed on bet.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 8:26:52 GMT 1
I sincerely hope we don't intend playing Peltier as a centre half in any actual games.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 8:31:39 GMT 1
And that is my worry this season that the negativity towards him will be the main focus for many this season and that can't be healthy for the club. It'll be healthy if it accelerates his exit. He's a poor manager, and one who has got used to struggling over the last 4 or 5 years.
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Post by Floyds on Jul 27, 2014 8:40:50 GMT 1
Not great viewing.
I know it's only pre season etc etc, but how do we expect anything to be different to last season?
A midfield 3 including Hogg, Clayton and AN other just doesn't have the energy/drive, Paterson isn't up to it, combined with a defence that has a propensity to leak daft goals and we're struggling.
I do however agree with our apparent policy of only signing players that will come in and improve the first 11, we've made enough of the Danny Carr type signings in recent months that hasn't improved the team (or even, squad).
Hopefully we'll sign a CB, CM and striker in the next two weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 8:50:11 GMT 1
Not great viewing. I know it's only pre season etc etc, but how do we expect anything to be different to last season? A midfield 3 including Hogg, Clayton and AN other just doesn't have the energy/drive, Paterson isn't up to it, combined with a defence that has a propensity to leak daft goals and we're struggling. I do however agree with our apparent policy of only signing players that will come in and improve the first 11, we've made enough of the Danny Carr type signings in recent months that hasn't improved the team (or even, squad). Hopefully we'll sign a CB, CM and striker in the next two weeks. Can you trust Robins judgement on better than we already have? After all, he thought Paterson and Stead were better than we had
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Post by Floyds on Jul 27, 2014 8:57:51 GMT 1
No, but he's not going anywhere this summer so the Board has to back him.
And hope for the best.
Unless they give him 10 games with the current squad, sack him, and give the new guy money to spend in January.
Neither scenario is ideal, obviously, but we'll have to make the best of a bad job.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 27, 2014 8:58:28 GMT 1
Sums up Robins for me. He gives a player licence to float behind the strikers and instead of using the one player who is perfectly suited to that role (Holmes), he shoves a winger there. I hope it was just something he was trying out and will now stop pissing around Holmes played 70 minutes last night, he was never going to have a big run out today. 70 minutes sounds like a pretty GOOD run out to me!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 9:47:26 GMT 1
Holmes played 70 minutes last night, he was never going to have a big run out today. 70 minutes sounds like a pretty GOOD run out to me!! Me too? (but maybe not to some folk who questioned why he didn't play a significant part against Scunny, despite having played 70 mins on a very warm evening less than 24 hours prior).
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Post by artysid on Jul 27, 2014 9:56:44 GMT 1
No real effort from Town, just a pre season warm up, wouldn't put too much emphasis on the result.
Worst thing was, it was flying ant day in Scunny (we had ours in London a few weeks back). Always amazes me how these little buggers know to come out on the same day every year & always assumed flying ant day was the same day everywhere in the country until yesterday - guess it's because it's warmer down south that we have ours earlier.
Saw the new kit for the first time yesterday - very Townish - starts off strong then starts to fade away as it goes on.
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Post by Giggity on Jul 27, 2014 10:07:10 GMT 1
Sounds like we are picking up from where we left off. Unfortunately it doesn't look like Robins has learnt his lesson given the players we have been strongly linked with.
Where is our No.10?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 27, 2014 10:09:28 GMT 1
I don't think anyone is thinking we're going down cos we lost a pre-season friendly, but what I do think is, nothing has changed from last season, we're just picking up where we left off.
I ask, honestly, after a poor season last season and no real squad improvement in pre-season(ok I know there is time to go yet), how does anyone think we are going to move forward? Someone genuinely answer me that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 10:12:26 GMT 1
70 minutes sounds like a pretty GOOD run out to me!! Me too? (but maybe not to some folk who questioned why he didn't play a significant part against Scunny, despite having played 70 mins on a very warm evening less than 24 hours prior). Not sure what was so hard to understand about the original post i made. I never said he hadn't had a run out the night before The point was that, imo, Holmes should be be playing in that position with the first team. Not having a kick around with the kids against a poor non league side.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 27, 2014 10:12:29 GMT 1
Not great viewing. I know it's only pre season etc etc, but how do we expect anything to be different to last season? A midfield 3 including Hogg, Clayton and AN other just doesn't have the energy/drive, Paterson isn't up to it, combined with a defence that has a propensity to leak daft goals and we're struggling. I do however agree with our apparent policy of only signing players that will come in and improve the first 11, we've made enough of the Danny Carr type signings in recent months that hasn't improved the team (or even, squad). Hopefully we'll sign a CB, CM and striker in the next two weeks. Can you trust Robins judgement on better than we already have? After all, he thought Paterson and Stead were better than we had We didn't have any strikers before they joined last summer I've often defended Hogg, but that was more because the criticism was OTT and he was unfavourably compared to similar players we've had. However, I actually think the midfielder we need is one to replace him, someone who would fit with Clayton in a two or with Lolley or Holmes in front of em in a three. I suppose I'm saying someone like Hogg, but more dominant and in particular with better awareness on the ball. Obviously Clayton going would blow that theory.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 10:22:13 GMT 1
Can you trust Robins judgement on better than we already have? After all, he thought Paterson and Stead were better than we had We didn't have any strikers before they joined last summer I've often defended Hogg, but that was more because the criticism was OTT and he was unfavourably compared to similar players we've had. However, I actually think the midfielder we need is one to replace him, someone who would fit with Clayton in a two or with Lolley or Holmes in front of em in a three. I suppose I'm saying someone like Hogg, but more dominant and in particular with better awareness on the ball. Obviously Clayton going would blow that theory. I was thinking about Novak and Lee being allowed to leave. Paterson contributed less than Novak and Stead less than Lee. How that was possible I'm still unsure I think 433 is the way forward, not 352. But that would mean the signing of Wells was pointless as it would need to be a striker like Vaughan leading the line. You restrict your full backs a little and have two midfielders sitting slightly deeper. You then give the two wide players and the attacking midfielder licence to bomb on and not overly worry about the defensive side of things. We've Lolley, Hammill, Scannell, Ward who are all well suited to that wide position and Holmes perfect for behind the striker or bring someone in who Robins deems better than Holmes. Then we'd just need someone to play alongside Clayton (not Hogg or Norwood), maybe Billing in the long term. And perhaps a left back who can defend in place of Dixon
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 27, 2014 10:36:16 GMT 1
We didn't have any strikers before they joined last summer I've often defended Hogg, but that was more because the criticism was OTT and he was unfavourably compared to similar players we've had. However, I actually think the midfielder we need is one to replace him, someone who would fit with Clayton in a two or with Lolley or Holmes in front of em in a three. I suppose I'm saying someone like Hogg, but more dominant and in particular with better awareness on the ball. Obviously Clayton going would blow that theory. I was thinking about Novak and Lee being allowed to leave. Paterson contributed less than Novak and Stead less than Lee. How that was possible I'm still unsure I think 433 is the way forward, not 352. But that would mean the signing of Wells was pointless as it would need to be a striker like Vaughan leading the line. You restrict your full backs a little and have two midfielders sitting slightly deeper. You then give the two wide players and the attacking midfielder licence to bomb on and not overly worry about the defensive side of things. We've Lolley, Hammill, Scannell, Ward who are all well suited to that wide position and Holmes perfect for behind the striker or bring someone in who Robins deems better than Holmes. Then we'd just need someone to play alongside Clayton (not Hogg or Norwood), maybe Billing in the long term. And perhaps a left back who can defend in place of Dixon Agree with most, if not all of that. I think we have a better squad man for man than many give us credit for, but it's unbalanced. We'll have three players who can fulfil one role, but none for another, whatever formation we go for. (E.g. move to four at the back and you simply can't play Dixon). The 3:5:2 seems to have come about because of the personnel, otherwise why don't the u18s and development squad regularly play it?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 27, 2014 10:54:37 GMT 1
very odd.. im not advocating us being relegated before we start, just not sure that there will be any change much from most of last seasons performances. if you are going to use friendlies to 'sharpen up' then clearly the most important ones are against league teams and yesterday proved nothing at all in that department for anyone in blue and white. it was a game of football between 2 pro teams and fans were charged to watch it, one team looked significantly more organised/ready and sharper than the other, question is why?
how many friendlies/league games does the staff get to 'sharpen them up'?? how many games do the staff need to sort out who is playing and where? wouldn't it be better if we looked a wee bit more ready and capable?
ignoring everything and waving it all away with 'its only a friendly' is the attitude that killed us after Christmas. the results in friendlies don't matter too much, although when I played you actually really wanted to win any game you played in?? maybe pro footballers get a different attitude once they start earning money, win or lose? . the slow, pedantic, lack lustre, lacking in effort and attempts to win the game yesterday were a pre season re-run of plenty of last seasons competitive games and Robins could just record the after match speech and save himself time in the future unless we get it sorted and fast.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 11:03:55 GMT 1
(or rather my mate did who doesn't post) Said we were more or less exactly the same as last season when Vaughan was out - only Wells looked as though he'd score - no-one else - midfield absolutely no forward drive or energy - and vulnerable to pace at the back. He's not one for knee-jerk reactions but said that he can't see where goals are going to come from (Lolley hit the woodwork but it was a cross) - Hamill had a chance at the end but took an extra touch - as ever - and though both teams looked weak, Scunthorpe had the better chances. He's normally a positive bloke, and I reminded him it was only a friendly, but he said we were awful. like a lot on here he takes pre season games too seriously we might lose to sheff oldham and newcastle but its the ninth of august when it starts and even then the result against bournemouth will not determine the season win or lose.
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Post by swollentoe on Jul 27, 2014 11:24:50 GMT 1
We seem to be stuck in a rut, after Christmas and now into pre season
What is going to change from now until 9th aug ?
We will still be stuck in that rut if nothing changes but then they have had all pre season to change it and so far it hasn't changed
I don't think it is the playing personnel cause I truly believe even if we bring in a couple of good signings until the tactics are changed and the mentality changed then everything will stay the same
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 27, 2014 11:38:40 GMT 1
We seem to be stuck in a rut, after Christmas and now into pre season What is going to change from now until 9th aug ? We will still be stuck in that rut if nothing changes but then they have had all pre season to change it and so far it hasn't changed I don't think it is the playing personnel cause I truly believe even if we bring in a couple of good signings until the tactics are changed and the mentality changed then everything will stay the same Haven't we won all the other friendlies? Some rut
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 27, 2014 11:58:08 GMT 1
season begins on 9th august?? if it goes badly we can then put our season back to the next game, then the one after that etc etc.. lets look for games that we 'might get something from', ie we can write off 20 odd games because we wont win them and therefore we can already rest Vaughan/lynch for those??? towns most important game yesterday was at Scunthorpe, bnmuff is weeks away. we had 12 games last season where we appeared to be planning for the next one before we played the one on the day? the results in friendlies may well be insignificant but the attitude and the desire and the organisation isn't. not sure how long its going to be before anyone notices that we seem to always be planning miles ahead on the pitch and off it whilst the here and now goes to rat shit? im a big believer in the 'you get what you deserve' stakes over a 46 game season but you play your best team and you play positively in the game you play today and then think about the next one. I heard some berk talking in the pub last night about our difficult xmas and easter programme? ? the only game we have this season to even consider is on 9th august.
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Post by kaykie on Jul 27, 2014 17:54:47 GMT 1
In my opinion i feel like we dont press the ball high enough up the field,we give other teams too much time on the ball.it was the same 90% of last season and also again yesterday.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 27, 2014 18:25:59 GMT 1
In my opinion i feel like we dont press the ball high enough up the field,we give other teams too much time on the ball.it was the same 90% of last season and also again yesterday. We never will with clayts in the team playing as he is right now. We either need two new box to box lads who can get beyond the front men, clayts to play further upfield or for him to be sold - I know he is a good player, but part of the problem rests there IMO. Cues load of abuse re Hogg, Norwood etc.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 27, 2014 18:36:56 GMT 1
In my opinion i feel like we dont press the ball high enough up the field,we give other teams too much time on the ball.it was the same 90% of last season and also again yesterday. Spot on. A team takes its personalitiy from the manager ultimately. Placid manager = placid football. Too early to write anyone off right now in all seriousness, maybe we'll see an improvemeent when it actually counts, but we'll need 100% application of effort from the first whistle of the season to the last.
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Post by yoy on Jul 27, 2014 18:59:26 GMT 1
We seem to be stuck in a rut, after Christmas and now into pre season What is going to change from now until 9th aug ? We will still be stuck in that rut if nothing changes but then they have had all pre season to change it and so far it hasn't changed I don't think it is the playing personnel cause I truly believe even if we bring in a couple of good signings until the tactics are changed and the mentality changed then everything will stay the same Haven't we won all the other friendlies? Some rut As well as winning two of the last three league matches....
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 27, 2014 19:20:55 GMT 1
Haven't we won all the other friendlies? Some rut As well as winning two of the last three league matches.... They don't count. Don't fit the agenda.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 27, 2014 19:24:13 GMT 1
Haven't we won all the other friendlies? Some rut As well as winning two of the last three league matches.... Papering over the cracks.
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Post by yanfan on Jul 27, 2014 19:27:11 GMT 1
Robins is crap and will be gone by Christmas.The backroom team were used as whipping boys.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Jul 27, 2014 20:21:30 GMT 1
Forest lost 1-0 away MK Dons earlier today, that means they're going down right?
Chill the hell out. It's a friendly. No matter what they're saying I'm sure subconsciously none of the players are putting in maximum effort as they don't want to pick up any pointless injuries. Even still, Clayton apparently got a bit hurt during the game.
I wouldn't read too much into it, but for those worried that we'll start the season like we finished the last one, do you seriously think that will be allowed to happen for very long? I'm sure Robins has been made well aware of the situation; he's now had more than a full season, several transfer windows and a whole new coaching team provided as we go into our third season with the expectations of continuous improvement.
To me it looks like it'll go one of two ways. Either we get off to a good start in a tough opening month and wait to see if any improvement has been made with being consistent, or we get off to a terrible start and continue last season's form. Either way, I think Robins will get sacked if the results are anything but consistently good for us... The pressure is on for him to get results, and fast, otherwise he's out. At which point you can all throw a party to celebrate his new found redundancy.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 27, 2014 20:38:41 GMT 1
depends how forest played and wether they actually got anything at all out of the match..
we didn't, we wasted a game. if we are going to play friendlies whats the bloody point of doing them half arsed?
2/3 matches against much better opposition might be a better way of checking the progress and getting a better work out, the chance of getting a good hiding might sharpen the players up a bit..
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 27, 2014 21:03:29 GMT 1
depends how forest played and wether they actually got anything at all out of the match.. we didn't, we wasted a game. if we are going to play friendlies whats the bloody point of doing them half arsed? 2/3 matches against much better opposition might be a better way of checking the progress and getting a better work out, the chance of getting a good hiding might sharpen the players up a bit.. Whine whine moan moan . I see two weeks of Italian sun has done little to dim your Meldrew tendencies. Why don't you take a leaf out of the NSL's book. Become part of the solution instead of part of the problem. GOD YOURE MISERABLE
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