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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 27, 2014 17:37:08 GMT 1
If the football continues as it did for the second half of last season into this he won't last long. Even his biggest fans won't stand the tedious going nowhere football for long and will start to see past this myth that we are a great passing side.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 27, 2014 17:53:20 GMT 1
nobody is going into meltdown about losing... its how we lose that is the problem. we lost a great many games last season without much of a fight and without being 'unlucky' not to get something from the games. In truth we were lucky to get nil in some of them.
everyone just fears the same approach and gameplan, especially if Vaughan is out. might be comforting to see us even in pre season against league opposition trying something very different.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Jul 27, 2014 18:17:24 GMT 1
When we have a worse season than the season before. Happy to stand still forever? We haven't for over six years, and I don't expect next season to be any different.
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Post by flevans on Jul 27, 2014 18:56:36 GMT 1
Mark Robins is one of the main reasons I smoke crack
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Post by runner76 on Jul 27, 2014 19:03:05 GMT 1
We need to get off to a bloody flyer looking at the final run in!! He will have no more than 10 games IMO to get us rocking....
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 27, 2014 19:17:34 GMT 1
The fans -- where will we come -- poll on this site say 79% of our fans think we wont be relegated and surely the top poll of 41% thinking we would finish 13 to 17 would surely be enough for Mr Hoyle to keep Robins in a job for at least another season.
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Post by thrice on Jul 27, 2014 19:25:14 GMT 1
The fans -- where will we come -- poll on this site say 79% of our fans think we wont be relegated and surely the top poll of 41% thinking we would finish 13 to 17 would surely be enough for Mr Hoyle to keep Robins in a job for at least another season. Not if we are all wrong!
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 27, 2014 19:32:06 GMT 1
What our fans be wrong . This season is going to be far harder than last as not many no budget mug teams like Yeovil in the Championship.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 27, 2014 19:38:40 GMT 1
The fans -- where will we come -- poll on this site say 79% of our fans think we wont be relegated and surely the top poll of 41% thinking we would finish 13 to 17 would surely be enough for Mr Hoyle to keep Robins in a job for at least another season. So this means that the loudest most vociferous know-it-alls on this site comprise of 21% of the posters. Seems a lot more!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 20:20:14 GMT 1
Trouble is... if he sacks him, how many of you lot have confidence in Deano to pick a better manager?
I'm not too sure this is his area of expertise. It hasn't been so far, IMO.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 27, 2014 21:28:10 GMT 1
I don't think it would be a massive risk sacking him, I still can't see what the board saw in him in the first place. I don't think he's ever going on to bigger and better things to be honest, he will probably keep getting jobs in League 1 / 2 primarily because he used to play for Man U and is a safe choice for any club as he talks a good job and tows the club line.
A fair few League 1 teams with managers who are better than Robins IMO.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 27, 2014 21:41:03 GMT 1
I don't think it would be a massive risk sacking him, I still can't see what the board saw in him in the first place. I don't think he's ever going on to bigger and better things to be honest, he will probably keep getting jobs in League 1 / 2 primarily because he used to play for Man U and is a safe choice for any club as he talks a good job and tows the club line. A fair few League 1 teams with managers who are better than Robins IMO. Fred we get you. You don't like Robins.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jul 27, 2014 21:44:21 GMT 1
Mr Hoyle is a top business man who owns a football and that is the only reason why he has the choice of who managers the club but this does not mean that he knows more about football than the average long term supporter who has been there 10 times over and read the book .
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 27, 2014 21:48:09 GMT 1
But I own a football too...
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Post by raggytash on Jul 27, 2014 21:48:20 GMT 1
I would have sacked him the minute we were safe last season, personally don't think he will last to September, also think that's why Thompson was brought in to take over straight away. Our defence has been poor for two years now, and we still don't sort it out, to many like for like midfielders, nothing up front only sick note and lonely wells. Said before and I will keep saying till we rectify these problems, it will be a long season again..........
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 27, 2014 21:50:48 GMT 1
I don't think it would be a massive risk sacking him, I still can't see what the board saw in him in the first place. I don't think he's ever going on to bigger and better things to be honest, he will probably keep getting jobs in League 1 / 2 primarily because he used to play for Man U and is a safe choice for any club as he talks a good job and tows the club line. A fair few League 1 teams with managers who are better than Robins IMO. Fred we get you. You don't like Robins. It's not I don't like him he's just not very good or very inspiring. He's pulled the wool over plenty folks eyes with the supposed slick passing football we play. A slightly better version of Mick Wadsworth, says all the right things but ultimately things don't seem to change. Once teams found us out last year Robins hadn't a clue what to do.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 27, 2014 21:54:11 GMT 1
Mr Hoyle is a top business man who owns a football and that is the only reason why he has the choice of who managers the club but this does not mean that he knows more about football than the average long term supporter . All working with 50/50 hindsight. Can't remember too much criticism when Clarke, Grayson and Robins were appointed. They were all decent decisions at the time. I think all future posts about Robins having 10 games left should also mention who should be taking over from him. It's never an easy decision on who to hire as your next manager. Even those perceived as good don't seem to last too long. I think Robins will be gone by Christmas and I'd be offering Moyes a chance to resurrect his career :-)
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 27, 2014 22:03:51 GMT 1
Fred we get you. You don't like Robins. It's not I don't like him he's just not very good or very inspiring. He's pulled the wool over plenty folks eyes with the supposed slick passing football we play. A slightly better version of Mick Wadsworth, says all the right things but ultimately things don't seem to change. Once teams found us out last year Robins hadn't a clue what to do. Ok, you like him, you don't rate him. I just get the feeling supporting town isn't a fun experience for you (and a few others). Ok we sack Robins and get someone else in. And we still finish 15th cos 99% of the time finances dictate league position. So what then. Do you write post after post saying you don't rate him either? and the next one? and the next one? Ultimately we are supporting Huddersfield, Not Barca. Sure its fine to question and critique, of course it is. But we are still in the close season and its "Robins this" "Robins that"... You guys are going to burn yourselves out before the season's begun
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 27, 2014 22:06:12 GMT 1
There was plenty people who didn't want Grayson due to his Leeds connections and I think those who were excited by Robins appointment were very much in the minority. Clark was different because he was a young manager with a hell of a lot of passion who was a breath of fresh air after the unmitigated disaster of Ternent.
Hope I'm wrong but I think Robins level is League 1 / 2 .
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 27, 2014 22:16:41 GMT 1
It's not I don't like him he's just not very good or very inspiring. He's pulled the wool over plenty folks eyes with the supposed slick passing football we play. A slightly better version of Mick Wadsworth, says all the right things but ultimately things don't seem to change. Once teams found us out last year Robins hadn't a clue what to do. Ok, you like him, you don't rate him. I just get the feeling supporting town isn't a fun experience for you (and a few others). Ok we sack Robins and get someone else in. And we still finish 15th cos 99% of the time finances dictate league position. So what then. Do you write post after post saying you don't rate him either? and the next one? and the next one? Ultimately we are supporting Huddersfield, Not Barca. Sure its fine to question and critique, of course it is. But we are still in the close season and its "Robins this" "Robins that"... You guys are going to burn yourselves out before the season's begun On the contrary as usual I can't wait for the season to start, looking forwards to it for what it is to me these days a meet up with the lads a few beers and a laugh. The football is secondary, not going to delude myself that we've a great manager who is doing a great job. We will struggle to stay up this year, a very similar squad to one which was absolutely awful for half a season. I'd call myself a realist to be fair, if the fayre served up by Robins is what we can expect in the long term I ain't honestly bothered if we go down.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 27, 2014 22:16:56 GMT 1
There was plenty people who didn't want Grayson due to his Leeds connections and I think those who were excited by Robins appointment were very much in the minority. Clark was different because he was a young manager with a hell of a lot of passion who was a breath of fresh air after the unmitigated disaster of Ternent. Hope I'm wrong but I think Robins level is League 1 / 2 . Clark. Initially a breath of fresh air but ultimately didn't get us up so had to go Grayson. Got us up so who cares where he came from Robins. Saved us from certain relegation. Then a season full of promise fizzles out into boring nothingness So Robins now has it all to do. Why don't we give him a few games and try get behind him. Hoyle has proved by culling the backroom boys that he wont tolerate underperformance. If we underperform again Robins will be out. Simple. So why not try to enjoy the ride of being a town fan?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 27, 2014 22:21:23 GMT 1
Ok, you like him, you don't rate him. I just get the feeling supporting town isn't a fun experience for you (and a few others). Ok we sack Robins and get someone else in. And we still finish 15th cos 99% of the time finances dictate league position. So what then. Do you write post after post saying you don't rate him either? and the next one? and the next one? Ultimately we are supporting Huddersfield, Not Barca. Sure its fine to question and critique, of course it is. But we are still in the close season and its "Robins this" "Robins that"... You guys are going to burn yourselves out before the season's begun On the contrary as usual I can't wait for the season to start, looking forwards to it for what it is to me these days a meet up with the lads a few beers and a laugh. The football is secondary, not going to delude myself that we've a great manager who is doing a great job. We will struggle to stay up this year, a very similar squad to one which was absolutely awful for half a season. I'd call myself a realist to be fair, if the fayre served up by Robins is what we can expect in the long term I ain't honestly bothered if we go down. That's best way to be Fred. It's only football . I don't see all these people "deluding themselves" though. The delusional ones are the ones who were proclaiming Robins the new messiah when we won a few games around xmas. They tended to be the same ones stabbing him in the back by Easter.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Jul 27, 2014 22:22:26 GMT 1
I'm not sure how being critical of a manager I don't rate equates to not enjoying following the club ?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 27, 2014 22:29:26 GMT 1
I'm not sure how being critical of a manager I don't rate equates to not enjoying following the club ? I apologise if i'm wrong. It just seems that most posts you write feel that you're not really enjoying it, and at times ready to top yourself. Of course going to the match is totally different to typing stuff on a laptop .
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Post by dugnet on Jul 27, 2014 22:39:24 GMT 1
Trouble is... if he sacks him, how many of you lot have confidence in Deano to pick a better manager? I'm not too sure this is his area of expertise. It hasn't been so far, IMO. I think that's a fair observation. You could extend that observation to the entire success, or otherwise, of the 1st team. There is so much that has been achieved at the club but the 1st team has been bloody hard work (relative to all the other progress made). We need a manager who is driven and wants to be successful. Robins really worried me last season as he seemed to have lost all perspective and belief in his own ability. All this referring to apparent criticism of his style of football, "we won't/can't launch it", when in reality people questioned playing Wells on his own up front with no service. The way the team simply fell apart from January was alarming. I am also slightly concerned that the change in back room staff may have been done over Robins' head. Now, I welcome the appointment of Eyre and Thonmpson but I think it leaves Robins exposed. On the flip side I'll be genuinely delighted if Robins proves to be successful but, as I posted earlier, I have my doubts. Which means DH is back to square 1 again. Although he is genuinely approaching retirement/winding down I still think if we could have got Warnock he might just have warmed to the task and really had a go at moving the 1st team forward. We need that type of hungry character who won't use the budget as an excuse and will pick the 1st team up and carry them forward. I still think Keith Hill could be successful at this level, despite failing at Barnsley. In truth Lee Clark was the right type of manager but the pressure he put on himself (and his tactical naivety) was just too much in the end. Time will tell but my gut feeling is that Robins won't be in charge come May, if I'm wrong then I am guessing we'll all be reasonably content.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jul 27, 2014 22:48:48 GMT 1
All this negativity abiut lack of progress with the first team and no signings is disappointing in my eyes.
Despite every man and his dog clamouring for Lolley and Holmes to be given more game time last year. It seems clear that most on here do not have much confidence in any of our development/ youth playersby their concern over the lack of signings to play in their place instead.
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Post by 5kippy on Jul 27, 2014 23:41:57 GMT 1
Mr Hoyle is a top business man who owns a football and that is the only reason why he has the choice of who managers the club but this does not mean that he knows more about football than the average long term supporter who has been there 10 times over and read the book . As we all know, as it's been said many times by the club, a group interviewed & picked Mark Robins. I think it was Dean, Nigel & Ross. I would suspect if we needed to pick another Manager the same would happen again. I also think Dean did it this way as he knew, by himself, he didn't have all the attributes necessary to make an informed choice. So hence - Nigel for the financial knowledge, Ross for the footballing knowledge and I would guess Dean for the personality/character side and for the selling of the club's ethos. Will they get it right first time - who knows - that's what the joy of watching Town playing in the new season will bring. Would an average long term supporter be able to make a better choice? If so who? I believe Steve Eyre will be the tactical man responsible for a more attacking brand of football. After all our youth/development teams play that way. I also believe that as more youth players come into the first team that brand of football (that has been instilled into them) will become the natural way. So sit back, enjoy the friendlies, for what they are, and get ready for an exiting season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 23:50:14 GMT 1
I think he is a quality manager and a great guy.
Come on town.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 28, 2014 2:46:48 GMT 1
I still find it odd that he wasn't sacked. Afterall his bad run was the same as Grayson's. Alarmingly the same problems still remain.we need a centre half with pace. Wallace is seems to make a lot mistakes. We don't seem to have enough desire to win the ball back. Without Vaughan we lack leadership and quality. Between now and the end of the transfer window signings/sales are critical. If Robins doesn't sign the players he wants / wants rid of, then I'm struggling to see how things will be different,. For me I'm not sold on Robins. I don't think the players are either. I hope I'm proved wrong. UTT IMO the bad run wasn't as bad as Graysons. a. The clubs heirarchy effectively left Robins with a single striker, when Vaughan's injury followed the loans of Stead and Paterson. and no loan signing was made because 'it was felt we were safe'. b. Injuries to Lynch and Vaughan meant that our squad was depleted during last year's winless run. c. The size and manner of the defeats under Grayson were far worse than last year. I was in no doubt where we were headed under Grayson and that was back to Lge 1. I hope that Robins can turn it around this season, I am hopeful because until Christmas last year I felt that big strides had been taken, our defence had improved immeasurably from the year before without a new signing, Vaughan had been on fire and youngsters like Holmes and Smith were breaking through. Given where we were at Christmas combined with the record signing of Wells, the loss of Lynch and Vaughan was crucial because we imploded. This year we will have a fitter Lolley to challenge for the first XI, hopefully Lynch and Vaughan fit and firing at the start of the season. There is no doubt in my mind our first choice XI is more than capable of competing against any team in this league and securing a comfortable top half finish but our squad strength will be the key. If Billing, Holmes, Lolley, Smith and a few other kids can take the step to the next level we will be fine IMO.
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Post by Spunker on Jul 28, 2014 3:07:24 GMT 1
All this 10 game business or half a season doesn't wash with me. He has brought a new way of thinking and playing to our club and is one we've never seen before.
When Gerry Murphy came in as Caretaker he'd revert back to a system he had the academy playing, which, was completely different to the first team. He looked like God because at that time the squad was filled with academy players.
Robins' phylosophy can't chane overnight, I hope we are transformed in the way Brendan Rodgers transformed Liverpool and it happens over a closed season. I remember Rodgers after a Fulham defeat saying something along the lines of the result not mattering and that the other stats are key; I thought he was a comedian but I'm sure the Liverpool fans would have been suicidal.
Robins for me needs a full season at this, get some consistency and see what this new phylosophy has to offer. He wasn't sacked last season when we were poor so now his judgement has to be trusted and I think DH is holding his nerve very well.
And this isn't an I love Robins post because I'm not a fan really, I just think he needs time to impliment what he is trying to do. If he fails, then he fails in the game because he has the backing, the facilities and the staff.
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