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Post by wigster on Jul 31, 2014 16:38:13 GMT 1
Just been speaking to one of the backroom staff at Ewood Park - I mentioned that we were supposedly trying to get Michael Keane on loan. He said that he'd been excellent last season at Blackburn and they were very keen to have him back. As far as he knew van Gaal at United is increasingly unlikely to let him go out on loan, certainly in the next few weeks, and that, and I know he's biased, if he does go anywhere he felt that Blackburn or Cardiff would be the first choices.
I would stress that this was only gossip and may be totally without any foundation but he stressed that Blackburn Rovers have been after Keane returning since the end of last season. It does show the type of competition we face if we are after people like him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 16:41:38 GMT 1
I heard there are at least 5 teams all hoping to get him on a season long loan. I doubt we will get him and hope we are not waiting on that decision before we look elsewhere.
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Post by pstarbuckscoffee on Jul 31, 2014 16:46:55 GMT 1
I guess the only chance we have is that the style of football and enhanced minutes on the pitch we can offer? I would also guess that there is no difference in financing the deal across all clubs interested - so should purely be a footballing decision.
I would say that the defensive competition at Cardiff will be much higher than here? Can't remember is Blackburn are that strong at the back anymore...Hanley and can't name anyone else left.
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Post by monsterhedgehog on Jul 31, 2014 16:52:37 GMT 1
Doesn't Van Gall like to play 3 at the back? That maybe a plus point for us.
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 31, 2014 17:10:51 GMT 1
Doesn't Van Gall like to play 3 at the back? That maybe a plus point for us. He's certainly got 3 quite injury prone CB's in Jones, Evans & Smalling. I think they'll probably buy in another CB and loan out Keane to a top end Championship club. The two young defenders impressing over there right now are Tyler Blackett and Reece James. Would be great loan signings but probably out of our range and there's every chance they could stay with Man U for now, still would be worth a try though Mr Robins. The visionary Lee Clark had Blackett on loan last season - way ahead of the game as ever. www.thefa.com/news/england/under-21/2014/jul/keane-and-blackett-earn-van-gaal-praise-300714 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 17:48:07 GMT 1
I would also guess that there is no difference in financing the deal across all clubs interested - so should purely be a footballing decision. I believe loan deals often include a bit of negotiation on % contribution towards wage, plus its not that unusual to have to pay out an upfront fee akin to a transfer fee to make a loan deal happen nowadays. I know the money involved will be peanuts in the grand scheme of things to Man U, but the financial consideration is not totally ignorable....unless we think all players leaving Man U on loan have their wages paid in full by Man U, who also take on total responsibility for T&S payments to a player having to commute further than his normal distance or shack up in a hotel etc. |
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Post by terrierng on Jul 31, 2014 18:51:17 GMT 1
Blackburn or cardiff will get loans of any players before us, I dont get this " the type of football we play" shite, both teams will finish way higher than us playing football better than us.For all the negative comments aimed at lee Clark at least he got decent loans from top prem teams, cant see robins being able to do the same, the only chance was through fergie but that links gone, otherwise why isnt robins using any...ie...giggs Scholes etc?
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Post by ringdisco on Jul 31, 2014 18:56:01 GMT 1
Blackburn or cardiff will get loans of any players before us, I dont get this " the type of football we play" shite, both teams will finish way higher than us playing football better than us.For all the negative comments aimed at lee Clark at least he got decent loans from top prem teams, cant see robins being able to do the same, the only chance was through fergie but that links gone, otherwise why isnt robins using any...ie...giggs Scholes etc? Did he ever play with them? I think Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce etc are more likely. |
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Post by terrierng on Jul 31, 2014 19:04:54 GMT 1
Blackburn or cardiff will get loans of any players before us, I dont get this " the type of football we play" shite, both teams will finish way higher than us playing football better than us.For all the negative comments aimed at lee Clark at least he got decent loans from top prem teams, cant see robins being able to do the same, the only chance was through fergie but that links gone, otherwise why isnt robins using any...ie...giggs Scholes etc? Did he ever play with them? I think Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce etc are more likely. Thought he did but maybe not, still doesn't seem to get decent loans in though. |
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Post by Stavros on Jul 31, 2014 20:04:55 GMT 1
Blackburn or cardiff will get loans of any players before us, I dont get this " the type of football we play" shite, both teams will finish way higher than us playing football better than us.For all the negative comments aimed at lee Clark at least he got decent loans from top prem teams, cant see robins being able to do the same, the only chance was through fergie but that links gone, otherwise why isnt robins using any...ie...giggs Scholes etc? Did he ever play with them? I think Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce etc are more likely. Is Brian Mclair still at the club? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 20:19:58 GMT 1
Which decent loans did Clark get us?
Afobe about the best as far as I can remember
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Post by terrierng on Jul 31, 2014 20:23:21 GMT 1
Which decent loans did Clark get us? Afobe about the best as far as I can remember Martin kelly....danny drinkwater... though I meant loans from top prem teams. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 31, 2014 20:28:23 GMT 1
Clarky would scour the world for a good un   don't hassle the Heff |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 31, 2014 20:33:01 GMT 1
Which decent loans did Clark get us? Afobe about the best as far as I can remember Kelly, Drinkwater, Kilbane were all loans? |
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Post by terrierng on Jul 31, 2014 21:08:06 GMT 1
Offtopic??? You gone quiet!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 21:20:30 GMT 1
Sean Morrison wasn't too bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 21:29:07 GMT 1
Drinkwater was decent, nothing more. Nowt like he is now
Kelly and Morrison very good
Kilbane was dire, passed it worse than Hogg
Afobe started well but faded
He made some decent signings, but when you make 70+ in three years then you're bound to land lucky a few times
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 31, 2014 21:30:42 GMT 1
Drinkwater was decent, nothing more. Nowt like he is now Kelly and Morrison very good Kilbane was dire, passed it worse than Hogg Afobe started well but faded He made some decent signings, but when you make 70+ in three years then you're bound to land lucky a few times Even Captslapper reckons it was about 50 and you know how he exaggerates. |
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Post by terrierng on Jul 31, 2014 21:46:17 GMT 1
Drinkwater was decent, nothing more. Nowt like he is now Kelly and Morrison very good Kilbane was dire, passed it worse than Hogg Afobe started well but faded He made some decent signings, but when you make 70+ in three years then you're bound to land lucky a few times I was pointing out he seems to have better contacts at the bigger clubs than robins, you decided he only made one decent loan signing.......... |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Jul 31, 2014 22:03:05 GMT 1
Drinkwater was decent, nothing more. Nowt like he is now Kelly and Morrison very good Kilbane was dire, passed it worse than Hogg Afobe started well but faded He made some decent signings, but when you make 70+ in three years then you're bound to land lucky a few times I was pointing out he seems to have better contacts at the bigger clubs than robins, you decided he only made one decent loan signing.......... Lee was signing loan players for a League 1 club, and a pretty big one relatively speaking likely to be at the top end of the table. Clubs looking for that sort of experience at that level would see HTFC as pretty attractive. MR's situation is very different. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 22:25:17 GMT 1
I was pointing out he seems to have better contacts at the bigger clubs than robins, you decided he only made one decent loan signing.......... Lee was signing loan players for a League 1 club, and a pretty big one relatively speaking likely to be at the top end of the table. Clubs looking for that sort of experience at that level would see HTFC as pretty attractive. MR's situation is very different. Yes, it's difficult to compare really. How many of Drinkwater, Afobe, Kelly, Morrison, Alex Bruce, (and Danny Ward I suppose!?), would have "done a job" for us if brought in for 3 months for us in the position we've been in the last couple of years, but rolling their careers back to where they were at the time they originally joined us (if that makes sense!). I reckon Kelly and Morrison would easily have stepped up, at the level they were at when they played for us, they must both rank at the least as 2nd in our list of current centre halves. Not sure about Bruce, he seemed a bit up and down to me, but back then was he better than Wallace is now? Probably. Danny Ward of a few year ago would certainly have pushed Hammill and Scannell of today but maybe struggled to force his way above them. Drinkwater...he was average...but easily as good as Norwood is now. Afobe is the difficult one. Of those listed above, he was really the one that had some obvious development to do, I don't think Afobe of back then would have got close to getting a game ahead of Vaughan or Wells in the Championship now. Shame the lad has been blighted with injuries, as he had the most potential in him in terms of looking like he had a lot of improvement to offer. So...in summary. Those better loans that Clark made were the kind of players we should maybe be after now? Of course...there's a big list of players he brought in whose careers would have possibly ended if they were expecting to come and play for a Hudds Town struggling in the bottom third of the Championship!! |
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Post by terrierng on Jul 31, 2014 23:35:44 GMT 1
I was pointing out he seems to have better contacts at the bigger clubs than robins, you decided he only made one decent loan signing.......... Lee was signing loan players for a League 1 club, and a pretty big one relatively speaking likely to be at the top end of the table. Clubs looking for that sort of experience at that level would see HTFC as pretty attractive. MR's situation is very different. Clark still seemed to have better contacts at the bigger clubs..he still seems to get loans from prem teams...if robins situation is so different then we can forget of loaning the likes of Keane then? Or any prem players, wernt brum lower than us last season? This isnt a ckark v robins argument just Imo clark has better contacts at the big clubs. ...doesn't mean I think hes a better manager than robins for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 0:55:20 GMT 1
Lee was signing loan players for a League 1 club, and a pretty big one relatively speaking likely to be at the top end of the table. Clubs looking for that sort of experience at that level would see HTFC as pretty attractive. MR's situation is very different. Clark still seemed to have better contacts at the bigger clubs..he still seems to get loans from prem teams...if robins situation is so different then we can forget of loaning the likes of Keane then? Or any prem players, wernt brum lower than us last season? This isnt a ckark v robins argument just Imo clark has better contacts at the big clubs. ...doesn't mean I think hes a better manager than robins for it. I do wonder if theres anything in..."Lee Clark asks so he gets....". Its well known he was hyper/over dedicated to putting his all into the club literally 24 hrs a day (this is partly why we ended up with the more laid back Grayson next time out I believe). I get a feeling Lee Clark probably hunted down and spoke to other clubs about players a lot more than Robins does. I was at a kids function once which Lee was at...in the 2 to 3 hrs, his mobile didnt leave his ear for more than 30 secs at a time, and that was only to dial someone else. Say what you like about him and the ultimate level he seems to have found, but he puts a hell of a shift in to ensure he delivers his utmost best. Obviously he lived down the road from me and I saw him out and about occasionally but even then you always got the impression he was working. I've not seen Robins away from a Town match, so maybe I'm being presumptious, but I guess hes not as laid back and switching off at the end of the day as Grayson, but nowhere near the dedication of Clark. He's probably not even asking for Keane, because he thinks we cant get him. (Not that I even know who this Keane chap is and if hed be any good for us!) |
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 1, 2014 1:03:35 GMT 1
As far as I understand it the process is that Robins agrees a priority list of targets with Clibbens and Wilson and then its Clibbens and Wilson that do the actual contacts/deal making. Maybe that process (and Wilson's position) arose as an antidote to Clarke's bit of a scattergun approach.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 2:20:38 GMT 1
As far as I understand it the process is that Robins agrees a priority list of targets with Clibbens and Wilson and then its Clibbens and Wilson that do the actual contacts/deal making. Maybe that process (and Wilson's position) arose as an antidote to Clarke's bit of a scattergun approach. Well it does sound a pretty tedious mechanism thats for sure. I maybe think ideally there should be that considered approach concentrating on the medium / long term development of the club across u18/u21 and 1st team squads, and then some maverick whose remit is to simply ignore all that and concentrate on identifying what we need to do and sign today to beat Bournemouth, and sod the long term view to some extent. That maverick I believe should be "the manager", who, ideally, shouldnt really be involved in all the considered progression / development stuff. I suppose the reality of the situation is likely to be that thats how Robins works anyway, and he is really only concerned with ensuring he has the best possible squad available within the available budget TODAY...but it just seems sometimes that he is bought into the long term vision a little too much (maybe giving himself a little bit more job security in the process, if he's part of "where we're going" then that can buy him a bit of leeway when results dip short term) and MAYBE takes his eye off the ball of the importance of being fully focussed on his actual most important job..."having a team ready for the NEXT game". All conjecture of course, and I may be totally wide of the mark! We're very close to getting it right, but seemingly quite far away. Just a bit of luck and we'll get it right by accident along the way anyway. Lets hope! |
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