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Post by deadleg on Oct 22, 2014 13:32:50 GMT 1
Interesting to note that Reading + Norwood = dramatic slide towards League 1 Bye-bye Adkins. Norwood was their player of the month and they were all creaming over the bargain they got. Looks like he's been poor the last couple of games though so maybe it's just been another of his false dawns.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 13:40:02 GMT 1
Interesting to note that Reading + Norwood = dramatic slide towards League 1 Bye-bye Adkins. :D Norwood was their player of the month and they were all creaming over the bargain they got. Looks like he's been poor the last couple of games though so maybe it's just been another of his false dawns. I'd go with that. Butterfield makes you realise how average and over-hyped Norwood was/is.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Oct 22, 2014 13:59:16 GMT 1
Individually I don't care, but Butterfield, Coady and Hogg is a better and more versatile midfield for us than Clayton, Norwood and Hogg so all is good Agreed. Individual qualities don't matter if the unit doesn't function correctly and it is blatantly obvious that our current midfield has more balance that the one featuring Clayton and Norwood. Last night in the second half we became a bit laboured and predictable, but in general our midfield this season has been more mobile and effective going forward. All contribute in different ways but they are performing well and making us look a better side as a result. Also helps having Holt up front who can hold the ball up and enable the midfield to get up the pitch and join the attack. Also don't forget it depends what sort of instructions CP sends them out with. What was so impressive at Wolves (and partly at Reading) was that our midfield and particularly Hogg and Butterfield in the middle, and Bunn and Scannell out wide, pressed them in their half. I guess they had different instructions last night? It was virtually impossible to press a lot with Norwood, Clayton and Hogg as the first two weren't mobile enough to do that properly.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 22, 2014 14:02:47 GMT 1
Really good player but not better than Clayton You serious?
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Post by AndySk on Oct 22, 2014 14:04:01 GMT 1
Really good player but not better than Clayton You serious? Yes
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 14:06:11 GMT 1
Better than Norwood... Him and Clayton you can trade off certain aspects, but last season's Clayton is still ahead at the mo.
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Post by AndySk on Oct 22, 2014 14:29:02 GMT 1
Better than Norwood... Him and Clayton you can trade off certain aspects, but last season's Clayton is still ahead at the mo. Deffo. Clayts was class last season, by far our player of season. Not even sure Butterfield has been our best midfielder this season! I do like him tho and we prob got the better deal. Some top games as well as some indifferent/poor ones.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Oct 22, 2014 14:36:31 GMT 1
Interesting to note that Reading + Norwood = dramatic slide towards League 1 Bye-bye Adkins. Norwood was their player of the month and they were all creaming over the bargain they got. Looks like he's been poor the last couple of games though so maybe it's just been another of his false dawns. As soon as the weather turns, so does Oliver.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Oct 22, 2014 16:20:17 GMT 1
He's decent, great work rate too. We pulled a fast one over Reading, don't get why Ollie was creaming himself to go to a non description club like them All good for us getting a great transfer fee. Very ordinary player.
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Post by kennyk2 on Oct 22, 2014 16:54:35 GMT 1
Better than Norwood... Him and Clayton you can trade off certain aspects, but last season's Clayton is still ahead at the mo. The boy (Clayton) needs to score some goals for them then, he's currently on a big fat 0. Butterfield's scored 5. There must be plenty more stats out there to compare them this season - assists etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 16:56:26 GMT 1
Clayton Who? Norwood Who? better without both FACT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 17:16:08 GMT 1
Better than Norwood... Him and Clayton you can trade off certain aspects, but last season's Clayton is still ahead at the mo. The boy (Clayton) needs to score some goals for them then, he's currently on a big fat 0. Butterfield's scored 5. There must be plenty more stats out there to compare them this season - assists etc. I'm comparing how Clayton did for us which is maybe a bit more relevant I think as Butterfield is technically the direct replacement. Clayton last season 46 apps, 7 goals, 5 assists (9% of all league goals). JB this season 13 apps, 3 goals, 1 assist. Bit early for JB but he's doing well so far. I'm a fan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 17:16:15 GMT 1
Better than Norwood... Him and Clayton you can trade off certain aspects, but last season's Clayton is still ahead at the mo. Deffo. Clayts was class last season, by far our player of season. Not even sure Butterfield has been our best midfielder this season! I do like him tho and we prob got the better deal. Some top games as well as some indifferent/poor ones. It's hard to compare them though, they play very different games. Butterfield is a lot more instrumental in attack* *from what I can tell 5,000 miles away in the desert
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 17:32:09 GMT 1
Butterfield's better than Clayton. With our current midfield 3 they can all play together and all in a 2 man CM too. Whereas with Hogg, Norwood, Clayton and others last year we looked weak in the middle of the park playing 2 CMs.
Looks much more balanced. Mark Robins final signing looks to be a good un.
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Post by Stiggy on Oct 22, 2014 20:51:17 GMT 1
I wouldn't swap him back, even if they let us keep the money.
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Post by snoopy on Oct 23, 2014 11:21:15 GMT 1
Butterfield's better than Clayton. With our current midfield 3 they can all play together and all in a 2 man CM too. Whereas with Hogg, Norwood, Clayton and others last year we looked weak in the middle of the park playing 2 CMs. Looks much more balanced. Mark Robins final signing looks to be a good un. Are you sure he was a Mark Robins signing, Ross Wilson probably had a big hand in this signing
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Oct 23, 2014 11:31:27 GMT 1
I don't think you can really compare Clayton to Butterfield, they've each played a different role in the Town team. Last season, Clayton was the anchor in front of our defence, and acted in that deep playmaker role. To be honest I wasn't too keen on it but he did it well up until the new year when he (and the team) hit a slump.
Butterfield is playing much more advanced, he looks up and moves forward with the ball. I've seen him over the halfway line a lot more than Clayton and that's probably why he's already scored 3 goals for us.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 23, 2014 12:18:36 GMT 1
Butterfield's better than Clayton. With our current midfield 3 they can all play together and all in a 2 man CM too. Whereas with Hogg, Norwood, Clayton and others last year we looked weak in the middle of the park playing 2 CMs. Looks much more balanced. Mark Robins final signing looks to be a good un. Great post, you've hit the nail on the head there! I didn't think there was much balance to the midfield at all last season! Especially with Norwood in there, for me he was utterly useless and he made Hogg look shit, cos he was having to cover for Norwood all the time! Hogg for me should have always been sat behind Clayton and Norwood last season, but Norwood was lightweight and weak it was unbelievable at times! Hogg is bossing the midfield this season along with Butterfield and Coady, the likes of Majewski can't get a look in!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 13:22:36 GMT 1
Butterfield's better than Clayton. With our current midfield 3 they can all play together and all in a 2 man CM too. Whereas with Hogg, Norwood, Clayton and others last year we looked weak in the middle of the park playing 2 CMs. Looks much more balanced. Mark Robins final signing looks to be a good un. Are you sure he was a Mark Robins signing, Ross Wilson probably had a big hand in this signing I'd say that a manager who managed him at a previous club and knows his ability definitely had a big say.
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Post by AndySk on Oct 23, 2014 13:52:47 GMT 1
Butterfield's better than Clayton. With our current midfield 3 they can all play together and all in a 2 man CM too. Whereas with Hogg, Norwood, Clayton and others last year we looked weak in the middle of the park playing 2 CMs. Looks much more balanced. Mark Robins final signing looks to be a good un. Are you sure he was a Mark Robins signing, Ross Wilson probably had a big hand in this signing I thought the DATM rules were: If he's good he's the managers signing. If he's shit its a Ross Wilson signing
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 23, 2014 15:23:02 GMT 1
I don't think you can really compare Clayton to Butterfield, they've each played a different role in the Town team. Last season, Clayton was the anchor in front of our defence, and acted in that deep playmaker role. To be honest I wasn't too keen on it but he did it well up until the new year when he (and the team) hit a slump. Butterfield is playing much more advanced, he looks up and moves forward with the ball. I've seen him over the halfway line a lot more than Clayton and that's probably why he's already scored 3 goals for us. Butterfield's playing the role Clayton should have but wasn't fit enough to as far as I can see. Therfore we played him in front of the defence and he was still blowing out of his arse by 60 minutes Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by royrace on Oct 23, 2014 15:29:06 GMT 1
They'd be about even in top trumps IMO Clayton maybe a tad better on the ball, Butts much more mobile.
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Post by mykindatown on Oct 23, 2014 16:09:28 GMT 1
one thing for sure - JB seems to be a decent laiker
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Oct 23, 2014 16:58:56 GMT 1
Just got back home from a few days in Hassi Messaoud where internet access is s.............................l.............................o...........................w!
I take it Butterfield had another good game on Tuesday night then? He's becoming an important player for Town.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Oct 23, 2014 17:12:04 GMT 1
If this thread isn't enough to bring WTD out of retirement.....nothing will
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Post by bristolterrier on Oct 23, 2014 17:30:57 GMT 1
Individually I don't care, but Butterfield, Coady and Hogg is a better and more versatile midfield for us than Clayton, Norwood and Hogg so all is good Agreed. It is a revelation to me what a different player Hogg looks with Butterfield and Coady. He just seems to have so much more time and space. Is it because Coady is protecting the back 4? I am sure better readers of the game will tell me but all I know is that Hogg has become one of the 1st names on the team sheet.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 23, 2014 20:41:28 GMT 1
Better than Norwood... Him and Clayton you can trade off certain aspects, but last season's Clayton is still ahead at the mo. Which part of last season? Before or after Pato punched him in the face? Imo he was a passenger most games up until he came back into the team away at Sheff W. The season before he was brilliant until he scored the penalty at home to Leeds, slid on his knees infront of Warnock to prove a point, then disappeared for the season. When he's good he's class, but when he loses his mojo he may aswell not be on the pitch.. Leeds fans said pretty much the same when he signed for us aswell.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 23:27:48 GMT 1
Clayton manufacturer of transfers.... or butterfield, Manufacturer of goals. We had Middlesborough ' s pants down.
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Post by 5kippy on Oct 23, 2014 23:39:42 GMT 1
I don't think you can really compare Clayton to Butterfield, they've each played a different role in the Town team. Last season, Clayton was the anchor in front of our defence, and acted in that deep playmaker role. To be honest I wasn't too keen on it but he did it well up until the new year when he (and the team) hit a slump. Butterfield is playing much more advanced, he looks up and moves forward with the ball. I've seen him over the halfway line a lot more than Clayton and that's probably why he's already scored 3 goals for us. Butterfield's playing the role Clayton should have but wasn't fit enough to as far as I can see. Therfore we played him in front of the defence and he was still blowing out of his arse by 60 minutes Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards You would be blowing out of your arse too if you had to carry that beard around...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 9:54:39 GMT 1
Better than Norwood... Him and Clayton you can trade off certain aspects, but last season's Clayton is still ahead at the mo. Which part of last season? Before or after Pato punched him in the face? Imo he was a passenger most games up until he came back into the team away at Sheff W. The season before he was brilliant until he scored the penalty at home to Leeds, slid on his knees infront of Warnock to prove a point, then disappeared for the season. When he's good he's class, but when he loses his mojo he may aswell not be on the pitch.. Leeds fans said pretty much the same when he signed for us aswell. The bit where he won player of the season? I don't think he was that great until Robins moved him into the deeper role (after Pato slotted him ), but he was pretty consistent there after.
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