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Post by yettonterriers on Aug 27, 2014 20:30:09 GMT 1
The cups are our chance to dream. It does my bloody head in that we don't treat them accordingly. Completely agree, that was my point earlier before all the we're worse than everyone else started. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 20:37:30 GMT 1
Nonsense. I have great (if hazy) memories of us losing the FA Cup final on penalties at Wembley in 1994.
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Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Aug 27, 2014 21:19:01 GMT 1
At least I can say I saw Town's last AWAY win in Div 1 v Forest 2-1 2Oct1971, Town's best post war HOME win v Everton 8-2 7Apr1953 and the most thrilling come back v Portsmouth (0-3 after 12 minutes) 6-3 3Oct1959.
Of course I also saw the 1-7 thrashing at HOME v Wolves 29Sep1951.
All in all I have lived through more downs than ups.
It's not all beer and skittles supporting Town.
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Post by davethesprout on Aug 27, 2014 21:24:21 GMT 1
For anyone easily offended by negative threads please look away now. But it has to be Town surely? Apart from a very small number of victories over unfashionable higher placed sides we have done absolutely sod all in cups in over half a century. Nearly my lifetime. Sure we've given good games to the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal over the years but you sit there knowing exactly what's going to happen. We get back in the game, they bring a sub on and in the blink of an eye the dream has gone. Once, just once, is all i ask - can we go on a cup run and beat a few high profile Premiership sides along the way. Maybe even get to a semi-final? Or dare i dream of a final? After all we are a Championship side and plenty of those have reached FA Cup finals over the years. I know - i'm deluded. |
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Post by thrice on Aug 27, 2014 21:30:06 GMT 1
In the early 90's at Leeds Road under the floodlights I recall a number of fantastic cup ties, Forest, Blackburn, Carlisle etc.
Was that a golden era for cup ties or was it just my youth playing tricks on me?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 21:36:38 GMT 1
In the early 90's at Leeds Road under the floodlights I recall a number of fantastic cup ties, Forest, Blackburn, Carlisle etc. Was that a golden era for cup ties or was it just my youth playing tricks on me? Sunderland, Arsenal... should have been able to add Spurs :-( |
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Post by davethesprout on Aug 27, 2014 21:41:44 GMT 1
we got to the semi-finals against arsenal league cup late 1960s lost first leg 3.2 cherry with a late goal one of the first to shown on local tv then in the 2nd leg town scored first tony leighton made it 3.3 but town old boy mcnab scored and arsenal won3.1! apart from that beating wolves 2.1 first match under floodlights @ winning 2.1 at chelsea on a frozen pitch in 1963 then the 4.2 home win against west ham in 1970 i agree!!
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Post by davethesprout on Aug 27, 2014 21:54:05 GMT 1
At least I can say I saw Town's last AWAY win in Div 1 v Forest 2-1 2Oct1971, Town's best post war HOME win v Everton 8-2 7Apr1953 and the most thrilling come back v Portsmouth (0-3 after 12 minutes) 6-3 3Oct1959. Of course I also saw the 1-7 thrashing at HOME v Wolves 29Sep1951. All in all I have lived through more downs than ups. It's not all beer and skittles supporting Town. |
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Post by davethesprout on Aug 27, 2014 21:55:39 GMT 1
but a few pints of timothy taylors at the slubbers does help
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Post by Stavros on Aug 27, 2014 22:16:29 GMT 1
And sure enough, Forest get the absolute one draw that I would have been begging for. As others have said. Just constant frustration.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 27, 2014 22:20:50 GMT 1
At least I can say I saw Town's last AWAY win in Div 1 v Forest 2-1 2Oct1971, Town's best post war HOME win v Everton 8-2 7Apr1953 and the most thrilling come back v Portsmouth (0-3 after 12 minutes) 6-3 3Oct1959. Of course I also saw the 1-7 thrashing at HOME v Wolves 29Sep1951. All in all I have lived through more downs than ups. It's not all beer and skittles supporting Town. So, a glory-hunter  |
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Post by ValleyBlue on Aug 27, 2014 23:56:06 GMT 1
If one were to really look at the staistics and compare league teams and standings it would confirm that Town are the WORST cup side since the war. We dont even average one good draw from the hat per decade. We lose to crap teams and even when we play well we lose. In 45 years there was West ham, Arsenal twice (once when they were avarage), Liverpool and Chelsea when they were not particularly dominant. Hell, even our pre-season friendlies are generally rubbish fixtures. We should just pull out of them all and go back to the Shipp Cup, West Riding and Anglo-Scottish  We are the holders of the Shipp cup!   |
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Post by trailingleg on Aug 28, 2014 0:50:40 GMT 1
Our League Cup record is particularly dire, in my 30 years of watching Town I have seen us reach the 3rd twice and only once have we progressed past that stage when we were diddled by Jeff Winter and his bad decision not to give a pen for the rugby tackle on Marcus Stewart by the Wimbledon defender. Maybe he is the ref from Saturday mentor. FA Cup we've fared little better in that period too, the fifth round a few times against Wimbledon, Derby, Chelsea, Arsenal and Wigan. Thought it was Clyde Wijnhard In that incident? I do remember Stewart being denied a clear penalty in a Cup replay at the new Pride Park back in the Rubery era though. Do all the big decisions go against us? |
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Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Aug 28, 2014 4:08:31 GMT 1
At least I can say I saw Town's last AWAY win in Div 1 v Forest 2-1 2Oct1971, Town's best post war HOME win v Everton 8-2 7Apr1953 and the most thrilling come back v Portsmouth (0-3 after 12 minutes) 6-3 3Oct1959. Of course I also saw the 1-7 thrashing at HOME v Wolves 29Sep1951. All in all I have lived through more downs than ups. It's not all beer and skittles supporting Town. So, a glory-hunter Not really Otium, I should also have mentioned I saw Spurs take a 2-0 lead after 48 SECONDS! (10apr1954) and Town went on to lose 2-5, I also saw (mostly through thick fog) Town lose 1-3 to Newport County in the FA Cup Round 4 5Feb1949 and Lose 1-2 to Tranmere Rovers 12Jan1952 in the FA Cup Round 3. Not much glory in those games.  |
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Post by yettonterriers on Aug 28, 2014 4:34:32 GMT 1
So, a glory-hunter Not really Otium, I should also have mentioned I saw Spurs take a 2-0 lead after 48 SECONDS! (10apr1954) and Town went on to lose 2-5, I also saw (mostly through thick fog) Town lose 1-3 to Newport County in the FA Cup Round 4 5Feb1949 and Lose 1-2 to Tranmere Rovers 12Jan1952 in the FA Cup Round 3. Not much glory in those games. You also have the most remarkable memory! ? |
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Post by captainblack on Aug 28, 2014 5:56:22 GMT 1
For anyone easily offended by negative threads please look away now. But it has to be Town surely? Apart from a very small number of victories over unfashionable higher placed sides we have done absolutely sod all in cups in over half a century. Nearly my lifetime. Sure we've given good games to the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal over the years but you sit there knowing exactly what's going to happen. We get back in the game, they bring a sub on and in the blink of an eye the dream has gone. Once, just once, is all i ask - can we go on a cup run and beat a few high profile Premiership sides along the way. Maybe even get to a semi-final? Or dare i dream of a final? After all we are a Championship side and plenty of those have reached FA Cup finals over the years. I know - i'm deluded. What we need is a nice easy 3rd round draw for starters like ....... Man Utd away. |
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Aug 28, 2014 7:06:02 GMT 1
I'm surprised no one has mentioned knocking Chelsea out of the league cup in 99 with Kenny Irons scoring a screamer. Decent Chelsea side too with John Terry making his break through but being torn a new one by Wijnhard.
Remember a 1-1 draw with Arsenal at Highbury too with Iain Dunn scoring.
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Post by benhomly on Aug 28, 2014 7:49:25 GMT 1
I'm surprised no one has mentioned knocking Chelsea out of the league cup in 99 with Kenny Irons scoring a screamer. Decent Chelsea side too with John Terry making his break through but being torn a new one by Wijnhard. Remember a 1-1 draw with Arsenal at Highbury too with Iain Dunn scoring. After being thrashed 5-0 in the first leg! |
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Post by Marco4 on Aug 28, 2014 8:10:42 GMT 1
I'm surprised no one has mentioned knocking Chelsea out of the league cup in 99 with Kenny Irons scoring a screamer. Decent Chelsea side too with John Terry making his break through but being torn a new one by Wijnhard. Remember a 1-1 draw with Arsenal at Highbury too with Iain Dunn scoring. That was a decent night out at Chelsea that. Didn't they have some giant Ken Monkou celebration before the game? |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Aug 28, 2014 12:34:12 GMT 1
I'm surprised no one has mentioned knocking Chelsea out of the league cup in 99 with Kenny Irons scoring a screamer. Decent Chelsea side too with John Terry making his break through but being torn a new one by Wijnhard. Remember a 1-1 draw with Arsenal at Highbury too with Iain Dunn scoring. So, what happened back at ours  |
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Post by deadleg on Aug 28, 2014 13:59:56 GMT 1
If one were to really look at the staistics and compare league teams and standings it would confirm that Town are the WORST cup side since the war. We dont even average one good draw from the hat per decade. We lose to crap teams and even when we play well we lose. In 45 years there was West ham, Arsenal twice (once when they were avarage), Liverpool and Chelsea when they were not particularly dominant. Hell, even our pre-season friendlies are generally rubbish fixtures. We should just pull out of them all and go back to the Shipp Cup, West Riding and Anglo-Scottish I don't know if it's the League Cup game mentioned earlier you're meaning here but when we played them in 2005/2006 they were about as dominant as it gets having won the league the season before (also winning the League Cup and getting to the Champions League semis) and winning it again that same season. They felt nigh-on invincible at the time, especially at home. We came closer to getting a result out of them than most! |
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Post by htafctaunton on Aug 28, 2014 14:08:32 GMT 1
We keep getting crap draws recently. Teams in our division where it's a tough game that can go either way, even worse when its a team like Forest who are currently top and with a strong squad. Even when we get a Premier league team its a Wigan or Hull  Can't help remembering back in t'early 90's, when we ONLY had to beat (lowly) Blackpool in a home replay to face star-studded Spurs (including Mr Gascoigne - who really was in the top 3 players in the world then, before his injury). Needless to say, we did 'our usual' in t'replay, and Spurs stuffed Blackpool and went on to Cup Glory!! (and poor old Gazza did his knee in and was never quite the same player afterwards - IF only we had won that replay and duffed Spurs, Gazza might never have done his knee; and England could have..........!!!! Town, you've a lot to answer for.) |
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Post by mikeybantam on Aug 29, 2014 6:19:28 GMT 1
When I went to F.A. Cup quarter final in 1972 I wouldn't have thought that it was the last time we would get to that round. Same goes for when I went to the 1968 League Cup semi final second leg v Arsenal. When I woke up one May mornin' in 1926, savourin' old Herbert's 3rd, I weren't to know that worrit. All fuckin' darnhill for t'thick end of another century. Not a fuckin' onner in plain sight. My grandad 'd turn in his grave. We even let them bloody Bratfud chickens pretend to be a bigger club for a few year. Bradford City FC FA Cup QF 1976 League Cup QF 1988 League Cup QF 1989 League Cup F 2013 Cheerio. Or as oppo sing at you after another cup defeat "cheerio, cheerio, cheerio!" Mikey Wycombe |
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Post by philincalifornia on Aug 29, 2014 7:25:47 GMT 1
Not so fast Mikey. Old Herbert never won three in a row. He'd already buggered off to Arsenal after the second.
At Arsenal, he was involved in their three-in-a-row, but wasn't credited with the triple due to him unfortunately being dead.
If you were ever to legitimately get involved in a conversation on these matters, you would know such things.
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Post by Marco4 on Aug 29, 2014 8:05:20 GMT 1
If one were to really look at the staistics and compare league teams and standings it would confirm that Town are the WORST cup side since the war. We dont even average one good draw from the hat per decade. We lose to crap teams and even when we play well we lose. In 45 years there was West ham, Arsenal twice (once when they were avarage), Liverpool and Chelsea when they were not particularly dominant. Hell, even our pre-season friendlies are generally rubbish fixtures. We should just pull out of them all and go back to the Shipp Cup, West Riding and Anglo-Scottish I don't know if it's the League Cup game mentioned earlier you're meaning here but when we played them in 2005/2006 they were about as dominant as it gets having won the league the season before (also winning the League Cup and getting to the Champions League semis) and winning it again that same season. They felt nigh-on invincible at the time, especially at home. We came closer to getting a result out of them than most! No, it was back in the 90s, the game talked about here. Kenny Irons rather than Gary Taylor-Fletcher. |
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Post by deadleg on Aug 29, 2014 11:19:14 GMT 1
Well yeah, I thought that was probably the case. But even so, that 2005/2006 draw means things weren't quite as bad as being made out which was my point. We've at least had a couple of plum draws, even if by the law of averages you'd think we should've had a few more.
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