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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 28, 2014 16:57:51 GMT 1
If that is going to the standard of our squad throughout qualifying then we will struggle to make it to Euro 2016 More teams can qualify for the Euros so we'd have to be really bad not to qualify. Poor squad on paper though. Pleased to see Chambers in, think he could be a decent player. Also think James Ward Prowse should have been considered as he was the third best player in the Toulon tournament this summer - www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2645675/James-Ward-Prowse-named-best-player-Toulon-tournament.htmlBy 2016 half the England team could easily be Soton graduates (Shaw, Chamber, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Lallana, Walcott and Ward Prowse) Gobern? No..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 17:17:05 GMT 1
I personally think its time we started looking into the championship now for players. Its the 6th highest ranked league in Europe and the number of Englishmen starting for their teams every week must far outweigh the premier league. Players like Will Hughes should be included now. The likes of Danny Ings for Burnley and Austin for QPR had excellent seasons last year and are not included, instead we have Welbeck who is utter shite and hardly plays for United and Andros Townsend who cant get a sniff for Spurs. In the championship the players will be hungry and focused, its about time we looked there for talent. This old chesnut... truth is, although the squad aint great, there's still very rarely any better players playing in the championship. Welbeck is twice the player of ings or austin...might not be an out and out 'goalscorer' like them, but he's in there because he can play wing/support/advanced and do a much better job in at least 2 of those roles (though welbeck doesnt have a bad goalscoring record for england either with 8 goals in last 23 apps). And neither of them would get anywhere near our 'goalscorers' sturridge and rooney. Hughes is nowhere near any of those midfielders picked either. He's got potential and stood out for his age, but i'm not even sure id put him in the top CM bracket even in the championship. At 19 he's one for the future and will be fine continuing in the u21s - putting him through to the full squad doesnt make him develop any faster - quite the opposite as he wouldnt get as many games. The pickings arent great at the moment but id still rather go with the "top" players who are experienced in qualifying for tournaments...then hopefully come the tournament we'll have some better pickings/standouts from the u21s. The likes of Colombia and Argentina (not to mention many others) had players playing in the championship last season. I think your snobbery is misguided. Saying Welbeck is versatile is another way of saying lets stick a square peg in a round hole. He might be able to do an OK job on a wing but I would bet that given a chance, an out and out winger in the championship, playing every week would do just as good a job. The championship is a very high standard of league and we should be utilising it more.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Aug 28, 2014 17:48:49 GMT 1
Definitely agree there is snobbery in the England set up. Players like Cleverly and Smalling wouldn't ever get near the England squad if they played for say Hull (probably about their standard)
You only need to look at Town to see England's snobbery. We have one of the youngest squads in the Championship, walked the U21 and U18 leagues yet I don't think we have a single player at England representative level except an England schoolboy
Right now we have a few regulars eligible for England U21s but we never even get a scout to check them out, it's like we don't exist. When you read some players in the same age who have Eng U21 caps; Tom Thorpe, Ben Gibson, Brad Smith, Jordan Cousins, Benik Afobe, Sammy Ameobi, Tyias Browning ... you do wonder whether Tommy Smith and Coady would be worth a shout
It's like the England team have a blind spot with Town; Stead goes to Blackburn scores literally a couple of goals and is in the Eng U21 squad. Did playing at Blackburn twice make him that much better
Or even worse when Stuart Pearce selected Sordell over Rhodes for his Olympic squad
Hope it changes in time but it is gauling that the England U21's seems full of big 5 team players who have very limited experience outside reserve team football
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Post by Giggity on Aug 28, 2014 19:02:26 GMT 1
The 'Golden Generation' were one massive failure. This shake up is long overdue. Individually they may not be better but collectively they have a good chance of emulating their predecessors.
Squad is lacking a decent right back. Clyne? Ward? Billy Jones?
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Post by ritchie on Aug 28, 2014 19:53:11 GMT 1
The 'Golden Generation' were one massive failure. This shake up is long overdue. Individually they may not be better but collectively they have a good chance of emulating their predecessors. Squad is lacking a decent right back. Clyne? Ward? Billy Jones? Chambers..?
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Post by Macjinx on Aug 28, 2014 20:14:15 GMT 1
Golden generation - bag of shite. Current squad - bag of shite Premier League - sack of tossers - their magnificent contribution to Sport Relief the equivalent of one months wages for one Manure player
I feel much better for that. UTT Mallet & Hockaday as the dream team !
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 28, 2014 20:25:04 GMT 1
It's amazing what a bit of heart and pride can do for a team Teams like Greece (won Euro 2004), Czech Republic (SF Euro 2004), Turkey (SF World Cup 2002, SF Euro 2008), South Korea (SF World Cup 2002), Russia (SF Euro 2008) ... all made to the Semi Finals or further in big competitions while the "Golden Generation" where in their prime. For all the hype the Golden Generation never got past a quarter final and didn't even qualify for Euro 2008! I agree it's not the best looking England squad but if the players have the right attitudes and get a good draw they could still do us proud I was gonna say the golden generation was the one from the 90's, but then you could argue we didn't qualify for USA 94 and were very poor in Euro 92. On the other hand Italia 90 (semi finalists), Euro 96 (semi finalists), France 98 (last 16 and were bloody unlucky). Out shines Sven and his golden era as the papers doubed them.Not really. We should really have won japan'Korea in 02. Unlucky to go out to the eventual winners thanks to a fluke and a clueless manager. 04 was another we might have won had Rooney stayed fit and the ref not disallowed a good goal that would have put us in the semis. people slag off the term 'golden generation', but they tend to be the ones who use it all the time weirdly. What we had was a very good group of players, many of them genuinely world class at that time. But what we crucially didn't have was any luck or a decent manager.
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Post by Giggity on Aug 28, 2014 20:46:41 GMT 1
The 'Golden Generation' were one massive failure. This shake up is long overdue. Individually they may not be better but collectively they have a good chance of emulating their predecessors. Squad is lacking a decent right back. Clyne? Ward? Billy Jones? Chambers..? He's being converted into a centre half isn't he?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 20:51:30 GMT 1
It may look weak on paper, but what other choices are there? England have many issues and lack of quality is one, and lack of tickets sold is another. Don't worry though England fans, the FA are right on track to sorting such issues out......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 20:53:47 GMT 1
Keeping hold of a footballing dinosaur in Hodgson was another mistake. If we are going to start looking to the future with blooding young players then we should have a good forward thinking young manager to lead them.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 28, 2014 21:15:55 GMT 1
He's being converted into a centre half isn't he? Yeah was a RB up until a month ago though. Longterm CB option but given he's unlikely to get in ahead of cahill, jags, stones, jones etc he might not be a bad shortterm option until something better comes along. Though in saying that, i agree about clyne, id at least have him in the squad as he's surely the one to try bring into that position.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 21:39:01 GMT 1
Totally agree, with all the money put into academies and the Premier League things should be getting better but they dont seem to be! Oh to have players like Seaman, Adams, Beckham, Scholes, Shearer, Owen. If only Beckham hadnt flicked his boot out!!! Sol Campbell was immense in those days, can't forget him. As much as I love Tony Adams, Campbell and Ferdinand circa 2002 was a pairing I can't see us matching for a long time. 100%. Superb defenders. England never replaced scholes in the midfield as he was only one who coud consistently keep the ball agaisnt the top sides. Players retire tho...if we keep with youth and get a team bedded in like Germany did we'd make the most of the talent in this generation.
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Post by buckers on Aug 29, 2014 6:44:30 GMT 1
I was gonna say the golden generation was the one from the 90's, but then you could argue we didn't qualify for USA 94 and were very poor in Euro 92. On the other hand Italia 90 (semi finalists), Euro 96 (semi finalists), France 98 (last 16 and were bloody unlucky). Out shines Sven and his golden era as the papers doubed them.Not really. We should really have won japan'Korea in 02. Unlucky to go out to the eventual winners thanks to a fluke and a clueless manager. 04 was another we might have won had Rooney stayed fit and the ref not disallowed a good goal that would have put us in the semis. people slag off the term 'golden generation', but they tend to be the ones who use it all the time weirdly. What we had was a very good group of players, many of them genuinely world class at that time. But what we crucially didn't have was any luck or a decent manager. We'll have to agree to disagree, but Sven and his lot never made past a quater final. At least Robson and Venabals managed that with their England teams.
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Post by ritchie on Oct 2, 2014 14:13:05 GMT 1
Squad
Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster (Southampton), Ben Foster (West Bromwich Albion), Joe Hart (Manchester City)
Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Southampton), Kieran Gibbs (Arsenal), Phil Jagielka (Everton), John Stones (Everton)
Midfielders: Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), James Milner (Manchester City), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Jonjo Shelvey (Swansea City), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal)
Forwards: Rickie Lambert (Liverpool), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal)
good to see clyne in there
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 2, 2014 14:24:21 GMT 1
looking for Holt, cant see him , they must have missed him off? harry bunn also omitted, shocking.. lots of the younger end, good to see, with a proper centre forward just in case...
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Post by terrierfortythree on Oct 2, 2014 14:33:03 GMT 1
only 21 named rather than the usual 23...confirmation of the ever decreasing number of players good enough? or ignorance to take one or two youngsters along for experience?
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Post by swollentoe on Oct 2, 2014 14:47:11 GMT 1
U21 got a play off again Croatia so a lot of the better younger ones are in that squad as we only have San Marino and Estonia
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Post by terrierfortythree on Oct 2, 2014 14:56:51 GMT 1
U21 got a play off again Croatia so a lot of the better younger ones are in that squad as we only have San Marino and Estonia I am aware of that yes and probably agree that some of the better younger players should help us qualify to give them tournament experience in the summer (i.e shaw and chambers), however i was more thinking of the likes of Jordan mutch or steven caulker amongst others who are around the 22-24 age band who are maybe knocking on the door.
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 2, 2014 17:08:52 GMT 1
Clyne at last! Only 6 months too late Roy!
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 2, 2014 17:09:33 GMT 1
Shelvey has earned his spot IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 20:11:08 GMT 1
Good squad to qualify to the euros not sure it's good enough to qualify in the euros though.
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Post by htafcjack on Oct 2, 2014 21:02:29 GMT 1
Shame Sturridge is injured, although Welbeck is doing quite well for arsenal at the minute.
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 3, 2014 0:03:43 GMT 1
Good man, Jack.
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